Sandy Hook "truthers" vandalize memorial

[Headynugget]

Have you ever been to Sandy Hook and interviewd anyone there? Have you conducted any investigations of YOUR OWN (aka, not fringe sites that rely upon absurd sensationalism for view counts)? If not, then you are relying upon media to give you information just as much as the "sheep" that you accuse of relying upon media to give them information.

Hmmm. Adam Lanza did not exist. Because no one has seen him in years. So, I guess those girls that escaped the hostage house in Cleveland also did not exist for years, since no one had seen them. Unless you make yourself available to the public in some way, I guess there is no evidence that you exist. There are families in the Appalachian mountains that have not ventured into towns and have no communication with the outside world for years. I guess they don't exist either.

Why not go for the most logical explanation: That a person who disappears from public due to severe mental instability never existed? Or that this is exactly the kind of individual that would commit this kind of act.

Eric Rudolph didn't exist for years as well. I'm glad he was caught, or people like you would be screaming that no one has seen him in years, so he does not exist. Actually, you have never seen ME! Oh my God! I don't exist either. I need a drink.

 

[Darkballs]

The issue is he disappeared during his highschool years. People remember him when he was a freshmen in highschool, but NO ONE HAS SEEN HIM AFTER THIS POINT.

Apparently, he went to COLLEGE at 15, and was NEVER SEEN AGAIN. There are no photographs, or evidence of any sort that he existed AFTER his freshmen year of highschool. Only the record that he had PERFECT attendance and straight A's... even though not a single person can verify he existed.

Says who? You are the only person making the absurd claim that Lanza did not exist and then demanding that the rest of us disprove this before moving forward. You have put nothing forward to assert any theory. Instead you harp on two things: (1) "I heard there was surveilance footage. So I must see this surveilance footage of Lanza in the school before I can move forward"; and (2) "I heard he didn't exist for years before the shooting. So now you all must prove to me he did."

Now despite neither of these being worthy of rebuttal, some patient posters have tried with the first claim. They've explained how your youtube "surveilance video" is actually a crime scene walkthrough and redacted to not show dead children to the public. A perfectly reasoned response to anyone but a CTer, who demands that he see the dead children up close and personal with Lanza shooting them before he moves on.

Next, on to complaint two, that Lanza didn't exist for years before the shooting. Note you've made no effort to flush out this theory. I guess we can assume that the NWO super-police had him killed years earlier, knowing that later they would blame his corpse for their mass murder plot. You've done here what a thousand CTers do. You take early reporting and deem it 100% gold. It couldn't be that in a rush to fill the 24-hour news cycle, some outlet made a journalistic error. Nope, the report (that you haven't provided) that Lanza had vanished is 100% accurate. Nevermind that it was immediately contradicted by other reports who didn't suggest Lanza was gone. This one had to be true. And thus it stands, until we take the time to debunk it. This is made extra challenging by the fact that, while you are ok with posting youtube videos as a valid source, you are quick to dismiss sources that contradict your opinion as being unreliable.

Nonetheless:

(1) A PBS video discussing Lanza's childhood and adolecense. It has many interviews with people who knew him, even during the time you insist he was missing.

http://video.pbs.org/video/2336615746/

(2) Interviews with school officials who remember Lanza from college, and read from his transcripts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/adam-lanza-college-courses_n_2315431.html

(3) An interview with Adam's father, who certainly believes that his son was alive during the time you insist he had vanished. (But I'm sure he's just an actor right?)

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2014/03/17/140317fa_fact_solomon

(4) Reports that Lanza was a visitor to a local gun range from 2010-2012.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/photos-details-emerge-newtown-mass-shooter-adam-lanza-124951161.html

(5) Comments from several people who identified Lanza as the shooter at Sandy Hook, including Rick Thorne-janitor at the school who confronted Lanza (another son of a bitch who must be an actor)

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/newtown-shooting-police-file-101561.html

(6) Records of alimony payments Peter Lanza (father) was order to pay Nancy Lanza for the care of Adam Lanza, starting in 2009.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9747682/Connecticut-school-shooting-troubled-life-of-Adam-Lanza-a-fiercely-intelligent-killer.html

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Father-of-Newtown-shooter-lives-in-Stamford-4119559.php

(7) Interview with the Lanza landscaper, who saw the pair (Nancy and Adam) leave and return from the local gun range during 2010-2012.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/12/16/friends-newtown-gunmans-mother-home-schooled-son-kept-arsenal-of-guns/

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There is a mass of evidence, from city records to interviews with dozens of people who saw and interacted with Lanza during the time you claim he was missing.

You have not attempted to put together anything close to a working theory. Instead you have chosen the route many a CTer takes in debates like these. Hold on like it's gold to any early media reports, demand that one or two misstatements be soundly disproven, and reject all evidence when someone is bored enough to take you up on the challenge. But you will not attempt to put together a supported scenario explaining why the government would disappear Lanza and then orchestrate a mass-murder in his name. Until you do so, you should be ignored.

 

[KILL KILL]

The issue is he disappeared during his highschool years. People remember him when he was a freshmen in highschool, but NO ONE HAS SEEN HIM AFTER THIS POINT.

Apparently, he went to COLLEGE at 15, and was NEVER SEEN AGAIN. There are no photographs, or evidence of any sort that he existed AFTER his freshmen year of highschool. Only the record that he had PERFECT attendance and straight A's... even though not a single person can verify he existed.

you mean there were no year book pictures. Ok cool story Byron.

 

[KILL KILL]

Here's more info including why he was pulled out of High School and his interactions in college. He was nervous and awkward because he was so much younger than everyone else. Two girls even asked him out for a drink once, but he turned them down, stating that he was still underage.

http://www.businessinsider.com/excerpt-from-newtown-an-american-tragedy-2013-12


EDIT: I didn't even need to post this, Darkball's post is MORE than enough info for poor little Byron to sift through.

 

[Tekk]

So lanza was killed years earlier, his body was kept preserved for 3 years by the Obama administration . A special agent killed 20 children and 6 adults then planted Lanza's body at the scene. This sounds entirely plausible.

 

[MASShole]

Ownage.

 

[Just a username]

So lanza was killed years earlier, his body was kept preserved for 3 years by the Obama administration . A special agent killed 20 children and 6 adults then planted Lanza's body at the scene. This sounds entirely plausible.

You forgot to add that the entire opereration was carried out in order to force more restrictive gun laws. Which never saw the day of light. Now, that makes is even more plausible.

 

[JonesBones]

Just saw this, and have to add it:

But Grace McDonnell was taken from them, from the parents who loved her and who hoped to always be able to protect her. She was taken in an almost unfathomable act of violence, along with 19 of her young classmates and six of their caregivers at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. She was killed in cold blood by a madman armed with an assault rifle and driven by a headful of demons that had long since put asunder any better angels of his nature.

This is a fact. It isn't up for debate. It isn't up for discussion. There's no controversy in stating it. It is the truth -- pure, simple and exquisite. But you don't believe that, do you? You don't believe that the Sandy Hook shooting ever actually happened. You deny the existence of provable reality, setting aside all that your eyes try to show you and your ears allow you to hear in favor of submitting to the relentless chaos of the paranoid fantasy world you inhabit. You believe you're privy to some great secret the rest of us can't or won't see and that this makes you better than everyone. But it doesn't make you better. It just makes you crazy.

This wouldn't be a problem were it not for the fact that you aren't locked safely away from enlightened society. You're free not only to believe things for which you have no proof -- spinning entire worlds out of the illusions you're convinced are real -- but to use modern technology to commune with, find strength in, and be further influenced by those who are equally arrogant and equally deluded. You've found people just like you and you realize you're not alone anymore. Perhaps even this wouldn't be a problem, except that you're also free to act on this insanity, to do what the Sandy Hook killer himself did and force your paranoid hallucinations on the rest of us, regardless of the cost in human suffering.

And that's what you did to the parents of Grace McDonnell. When you stole the sign marking their murdered child's memorial playground and then callously called them and told them that it didn't matter because they never had a daughter in the first place -- because the Sandy Hook massacre never happened and what we all witnessed was nothing more than an elaborate hoax -- you brought your personal insanity to their doorstep. You tortured them, even more than they've already been tortured. And that makes you something well beyond crazy, something much less forgivable. That makes you a fucking monster.

My default position is to mercilessly mock people like you, to laugh in their faces because there's little doubt that attempting to reason with them will only be an exercise in futility and frustration. You can't reason with someone without a common frame of reference that you can both agree upon. But you and I have none. I live in the real world, while you live within a detailed, self-constructed hallucination that you've convinced yourself is real. I want to mock you, but I can't. I want to feel sorry for you, but I won't. Because, again, you're a fucking monster. An impenitent sociopath perhaps deserving of being put down like a rabid dog.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chez-pazienza/sandy-hook-truthers_b_5338732.html

 

[WorldofWarcraft]

You forgot to add that the entire opereration was carried out in order to force more restrictive gun laws. Which never saw the day of light. Now, that makes is even more plausible.

You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to know sure as shit they tried their best. It would have been the worst gun control bunch of bullshit laws ever in 300 fucking years. Assault Weapons ban, 10 round magazine capacity and universal registration of any and all firearms.

 

[lfd0311]

Says who? You are the only person making the absurd claim that Lanza did not exist and then demanding that the rest of us disprove this before moving forward. You have put nothing forward to assert any theory. Instead you harp on two things: (1) "I heard there was surveilance footage. So I must see this surveilance footage of Lanza in the school before I can move forward"; and (2) "I heard he didn't exist for years before the shooting. So now you all must prove to me he did."

Now despite neither of these being worthy of rebuttal, some patient posters have tried with the first claim. They've explained how your youtube "surveilance video" is actually a crime scene walkthrough and redacted to not show dead children to the public. A perfectly reasoned response to anyone but a CTer, who demands that he see the dead children up close and personal with Lanza shooting them before he moves on.

Next, on to complaint two, that Lanza didn't exist for years before the shooting. Note you've made no effort to flush out this theory. I guess we can assume that the NWO super-police had him killed years earlier, knowing that later they would blame his corpse for their mass murder plot. You've done here what a thousand CTers do. You take early reporting and deem it 100% gold. It couldn't be that in a rush to fill the 24-hour news cycle, some outlet made a journalistic error. Nope, the report (that you haven't provided) that Lanza had vanished is 100% accurate. Nevermind that it was immediately contradicted by other reports who didn't suggest Lanza was gone. This one had to be true. And thus it stands, until we take the time to debunk it. This is made extra challenging by the fact that, while you are ok with posting youtube videos as a valid source, you are quick to dismiss sources that contradict your opinion as being unreliable.

Nonetheless:

(1) A PBS video discussing Lanza's childhood and adolecense. It has many interviews with people who knew him, even during the time you insist he was missing.

http://video.pbs.org/video/2336615746/

(2) Interviews with school officials who remember Lanza from college, and read from his transcripts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/adam-lanza-college-courses_n_2315431.html

(3) An interview with Adam's father, who certainly believes that his son was alive during the time you insist he had vanished. (But I'm sure he's just an actor right?)

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2014/03/17/140317fa_fact_solomon

(4) Reports that Lanza was a visitor to a local gun range from 2010-2012.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/photos-details-emerge-newtown-mass-shooter-adam-lanza-124951161.html

(5) Comments from several people who identified Lanza as the shooter at Sandy Hook, including Rick Thorne-janitor at the school who confronted Lanza (another son of a bitch who must be an actor)

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/newtown-shooting-police-file-101561.html

(6) Records of alimony payments Peter Lanza (father) was order to pay Nancy Lanza for the care of Adam Lanza, starting in 2009.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9747682/Connecticut-school-shooting-troubled-life-of-Adam-Lanza-a-fiercely-intelligent-killer.html

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Father-of-Newtown-shooter-lives-in-Stamford-4119559.php

(7) Interview with the Lanza landscaper, who saw the pair (Nancy and Adam) leave and return from the local gun range during 2010-2012.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/12/16/friends-newtown-gunmans-mother-home-schooled-son-kept-arsenal-of-guns/

-------------------------

There is a mass of evidence, from city records to interviews with dozens of people who saw and interacted with Lanza during the time you claim he was missing.

You have not attempted to put together anything close to a working theory. Instead you have chosen the route many a CTer takes in debates like these. Hold on like it's gold to any early media reports, demand that one or two misstatements be soundly disproven, and reject all evidence when someone is bored enough to take you up on the challenge. But you will not attempt to put together a supported scenario explaining why the government would disappear Lanza and then orchestrate a mass-murder in his name. Until you do so, you should be ignored.

But.... But.... Nobody will answer my questions.......

 

[lfd0311]

I would know "of" that guy. Especially if they showed me a picture.

Agian, you've never been to college, have you? College's are full of nerdy little creepy white kids, just like Adam Lanza. On top of that, where are you getting this nonsense from?

Yeah.. that's the weird little kid that looks about 15 years younger than everyone. He's here every day on time, I know that guy.

Agian, it isn't High School. There could be a couple hundred people in one class

 

[lfd0311]

Because you're lying, and boring. You're a sheep

LOL, ah yes, the go to Troofer tactic of refusing to make an attempt to refute points when getting destroyed, just label poster as "sheep". Troofers are the biggest "sheep" in the world, since you're still clinging to this nonsense even after it's been destroyed about a dozen times, just in this thread.

I've linked the video multiple times. You can research that a surveillance system was installed in the school THAT YEAR.

By "research" Troofers mean trolling CT forums and repeating the untrue information found there. The only video you've linked is the one that, once agian, was taken by the police after the fact, as has been pointed out about a thousand times. Your stupidity is starting to make my face hurt.

I don't believe that was Lanza who called into a radio show.

And you're of course basing this off of nothing other then you not wanting it to be true. Why do clowns like you ask for evidence if you're just going to dismiss out of hand anything that invalidates your delusions? That isn't a rhetorical question, I'd actually like to know.

Show me some evidence he existed.

See! Proof was just given to you, you said you didn't believe it, then asked for more. Just stop, since you aren't willing to accept any of the proof that you continue to ask for. Just stop. Don't know why I bother, but here are pictures of him:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...aks-for-first-time-since-shooting-horror.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/conne...am-lanza-mother-visited-gun/story?id=17992396

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...w-adam-lanzas-path-to-the-sandy-hook-tragedy/

 

[lfd0311]

The issue is he disappeared during his highschool years. People remember him when he was a freshmen in highschool, but NO ONE HAS SEEN HIM AFTER THIS POINT.

He was home schooled. Nobody said they didn't see him. You're a total crack pot

Apparently, he went to COLLEGE at 15, and was NEVER SEEN AGAIN. There are no photographs, or evidence of any sort that he existed AFTER his freshmen year of highschool. Only the record that he had PERFECT attendance and straight A's... even though not a single person can verify he existed

http://www.ibtimes.com/gunman-went-...ooter-adam-lanza-enrolled-western-connecticut

 

[Byron Carter]

He was home schooled. Nobody said they didn't see him. You're a total crack pot




http://www.ibtimes.com/gunman-went-...ooter-adam-lanza-enrolled-western-connecticut

He wasn't homeschooled, you're a liar.

He was set to college because his mother thought it would be a more "Adult" enviroment.

Shit, the earlier post YOU made suggested that two young women at college asked him out for drinks, but he was only 17. Even though there is no way to confirm or deny this.

Follow the thread, or don't post.

 

[lfd0311]

He wasn't homeschooled, you're a liar.

LOL, way to make my point for me. I'm lying? What purpose would I have for lying about that? You're a total nutcase who isn't willing to listen to anything that falls outside of your predetermined view of what you want to have happend.

He was set to college because his mother thought it would be a more "Adult" enviroment.

Shit, the earlier post YOU made suggested that two young women at college asked him out for drinks, but he was only 17. Even though there is no way to confirm or deny this.

Follow the thread, or don't post.

Soooo.... he was at College, or he wasn't? You're all over the place. What's truely funny is that there is no way to confirm or deny ANY of what you clearly beleive happened here, yet you still believe it. Why do you keep pretending you merely have questions about what you see as inconsitencies, and just lay out your side of the story, since you aren't willing to listen to any of the answers to your questions

 

[sangreporsangre]

He wasn't homeschooled, you're a liar.

He was set to college because his mother thought it would be a more "Adult" enviroment.

Shit, the earlier post YOU made suggested that two young women at college asked him out for drinks, but he was only 17. Even though there is no way to confirm or deny this.

Follow the thread, or don't post.

You ducked Darkball's post pretty blatantly here

 

[afrdzak]

So lanza was killed years earlier, his body was kept preserved for 3 years by the Obama administration . A special agent killed 20 children and 6 adults then planted Lanza's body at the scene. This sounds entirely plausible.

Uh, yeah.
Haven't you ever seen the movie, "Swordfish"?

 

[Tekk]

Uh, yeah.
Haven't you ever seen the movie, "Swordfish"?

Only remember Halle Berry topless.

Hey Byron, tells us about the guy in the woods with the camera. Even better, Lay out what you believe happened from start to finish at Sandy Hook.

 

[Tekk]

He wasn't homeschooled, you're a liar.

"Nancy Lanza pleaded for better services for her disturbed son Adam but was apparently rebuffed so many times, she took it upon herself to home school him."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...school-district-deciding-home-school-him.html

 

[lfd0311]

"Nancy Lanza pleaded for better services for her disturbed son Adam but was apparently rebuffed so many times, she took it upon herself to home school him."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...school-district-deciding-home-school-him.html

Nuh uh. Dey is lieing