Sanda vs Muay Thai

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How do they differ mechanically? Do they often face each other in the ring? Did Sanda develop in a similiar way to Kyokushin - take parts of Muay Thai and adjust for full contact kung fu?
 
Sanda and san shou are the same thing correct? Id like to see an MMA match up between a sanda fighter and a MT fighter. The open rule set would really clear the way for some awesome exchanges I bet.

Cung Le vs Wanderlei kinda counts but they were both far removed from MT and san shou.
 
dsdoubled said:
Sanda and san shou are the same thing correct? Id like to see an MMA match up between a sanda fighter and a MT fighter. The open rule set would really clear the way for some awesome exchanges I bet.

Cung Le vs Wanderlei kinda counts but they were both far removed from MT and san shou.
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I have heard that some Sanda fighters have beaten Muay Thai champions, but I don't recall the fight in particular. That's why I'm curious if it's simply repackaged Muay Thai
 
Sanda typically uses a lot of lead leg side kicks, hand combinations and mid/high kicks with a focus on wrestling throws especially when facing Thais. These Sanda vs Muay Thai matchups were almost always under Sanda rules, so Thais typically lost when being outpointed with throws. Elbows typically not allowed.

There used to be a lot of Sanda vs Muay Thai events in China but now almost everything is Kickboxing rules. You kind of missed the boat on this.
 
A number of prominent muay thai fighters have actually represented Thailand at the SEA and Asian games in Wushu.
 
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Kanka said:
Well there is a youtube channel dedicated to praising chinese sanda fighters and trashing muay thai fighters. I'm sure you'll find something interesting

https://www.youtube.com/user/xinyiquan666/videos
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Yeah, Sanda and Kyokushin fans bashing Muay Thai used to be a big thing in YouTube like 7-8 years ago. I remember Kyokushin fans saying Kyokushin is better than muay thai because Andy Hug beat Changpeuk under knockdown karate rule. Same with muay Thai being inferior to Sanda because Thai fighters often got outpointed under Sanda rule. Interesting to see that now Sanda is no longer that prominent and kickboxing is all the rage in China. (With fighters with muay Thai base like Qiu Jianliang being a superstar).

Tribal mentality seems to have died down a lot really in both kickboxing and MMA world. We used to have a poster dedicated to keep track of wins of all fighters with karate base to show the superiority of karate, and the same with Sanda. But now they are all gone.

I used to get really hype for muay Thai Vs other style match up, but now could care less if Singdam got spinning back kicked to oblivion.
 
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ichibang said:
Yeah, Sanda and Kyokushin fans bashing Muay Thai used to be a big thing in YouTube like 7-8 years ago. I remember Kyokushin fans saying Kyokushin is better than muay thai because Andy Hug beat Changpeuk under knockdown karate rule. Same with muay Thai being inferior to Sanda because Thai fighters often got outpointed under Sanda rule. Interesting to see that now Sanda is no longer that prominent and kickboxing is all the rage in China. (With fighters with muay Thai base like Qiu Jianliang being a superstar).

Tribal mentality seems to have died down a lot really in both kickboxing and MMA world. We used to have a poster dedicated to keep track of wins of all fighters with karate base to show the superiority of karate, and the same with Sanda. But now they are all gone.

I used to get really hype for muay Thai Vs other style match up, but now could care less if Singdam got spinning back kicked to oblivion.
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I was hoping Zhang Kaiyin would've fought more he seemed decent with good power
 
Sanda is a system of unarmed combat that was designed by Chinese Military based upon ttraditional martial arts such as Kung Fu, Shuai Jiao, Chin Na , western boxing and modern hand-to-hand combat philosophy to develop a system of unarmed fighting for the Chinese military. Sanda employs all parts of the body as weapons to attack and counter with, by using what the Chinese consider to be the four basic martial arts techniques: Striking – using fists, open hands, fingers, elbows, shoulders, forearms and the head , Lower-Body Striking including kicks, knees and stomping. Throws , using Wrestling and Judo like takedowns and sweeps, and Seizing which includes jointlocks, chokes and other submissions. What you see of sanda on YouTube is not the complete system, but a sport version . As for one versus other now comes down to rule sets , training and the fighter . If it’s open rule set and the Sanda fighter trains complete system not just Sanda kickboxing (sport) then I have to say the Sanda fighter has the advantage . But as with all fights to many variables to say one better than other .
 
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ichibang said:
Yeah, Sanda and Kyokushin fans bashing Muay Thai used to be a big thing in YouTube like 7-8 years ago. I remember Kyokushin fans saying Kyokushin is better than muay thai because Andy Hug beat Changpeuk under knockdown karate rule. Same with muay Thai being inferior to Sanda because Thai fighters often got outpointed under Sanda rule. Interesting to see that now Sanda is no longer that prominent and kickboxing is all the rage in China. (With fighters with muay Thai base like Qiu Jianliang being a superstar).

Tribal mentality seems to have died down a lot really in both kickboxing and MMA world. We used to have a poster dedicated to keep track of wins of all fighters with karate base to show the superiority of karate, and the same with Sanda. But now they are all gone.

I used to get really hype for muay Thai Vs other style match up, but now could care less if Singdam got spinning back kicked to oblivion.
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Yeah it seems like sanda/San shou was big right around the time that shootboxing was big. Which was probably like 2000-2010. I remember a lot of fighters (including MMA fighters) would compete in sanda and shootboxing seemingly bc it was just another platform to compete under.

I can recall seeing guys like Carlos Condit, Toby Imada, Mark Hominick, and others competing in shootboxing. In fact I remember Toby Imada defeating Buakaw under shootboxing rules by winning on throws/takedowns. And I can recall Chris Leben, Jason Van Flue, and a few other guys competing in sanda/San shou.
 
Here's a little fun fact. Back around 2007-2010 when MMA was really huge but still illegal in New York there was something called NY Fight Club which was built around sanda. Fights often looked a lot like MMA and many of the local up n coming northeast guys fought here. It was pretty low key but very cool.
 
dsdoubled said:
Yeah it seems like sanda/San shou was big right around the time that shootboxing was big. Which was probably like 2000-2010. I remember a lot of fighters (including MMA fighters) would compete in sanda and shootboxing seemingly bc it was just another platform to compete under.

I can recall seeing guys like Carlos Condit, Toby Imada, Mark Hominick, and others competing in shootboxing. In fact I remember Toby Imada defeating Buakaw under shootboxing rules by winning on throws/takedowns. And I can recall Chris Leben, Jason Van Flue, and a few other guys competing in sanda/San shou.
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Pretty sure Buakaw TKO'd Toby Imada
 
dsdoubled said:
You're right. It was Andy Souwer that I was thinking of. He beat Toby in the rematch but Toby managed to win the first bout.
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due to being injured in his fight before against Bovy some of the throws and dumps Bovy used screwed up his back.
 
dsdoubled said:
Yeah it seems like sanda/San shou was big right around the time that shootboxing was big. Which was probably like 2000-2010. I remember a lot of fighters (including MMA fighters) would compete in sanda and shootboxing seemingly bc it was just another platform to compete under.

I can recall seeing guys like Carlos Condit, Toby Imada, Mark Hominick, and others competing in shootboxing. In fact I remember Toby Imada defeating Buakaw under shootboxing rules by winning on throws/takedowns. And I can recall Chris Leben, Jason Van Flue, and a few other guys competing in sanda/San shou.
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Shooto teamed up with them alot so there was fighters like Mamoru Yamaguchi, Rumina Sato, and Mitsuhiro Ishida fighting on their cards too along with fighters from other MMA orgs like Wicky Akiyo & DJ.Taiki.
 
Kung Fu, Zi Zheng, officially fought against the Nai Yahng vulgo "Tiger of the Highlands" in the Garden of Roses, Bangkok in a wooden ring.
From this fight and that the idea of creating a more efficient martial art used as base the Thai Boxing. What I would later see becomes the SANDA
 
fighthug said:
Kung Fu, Zi Zheng, officially fought against the Nai Yahng vulgo "Tiger of the Highlands" in the Garden of Roses, Bangkok in a wooden ring.
From this fight and that the idea of creating a more efficient martial art used as base the Thai Boxing. What I would later see becomes the SANDA
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Sanda, also known as Chinese boxing, is a hybrid martial art based on Kung Fu with elements of western boxing and wrestling. Sanda kickboxing comes from military sanda .

Muay Thai, on the other hand, is based on a set of traditional Muay Boran techniques with a heavy influence on Western boxing.
 
This is the story that the Chinese government, which does not accept influence estragnetia in its culture created.

But Samba came from the encounter of the two fighters. Then the Chinese army, in need of an efficient fighting system, encountered this style that merged Muaythai with Shuai Jiao techniques.
 
From this meeting born the idea of creating a more efficient method of fight. What would later become the SANDA.

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fighthug said:
From this meeting born the idea of creating a more efficient method of fight. What would later become the SANDA.

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No one said the idea of sanda did or didn’t come from these matches it may have had influence. the bases are different . Sanda is not Mauy Thai with Shuai Jiao . Remember lei tai matches been going on since Qin Dynasty. Chinese boxing style is similar to Western boxing style, with influences from traditional CMA.
 
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