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Sanda/Sanshou vs Muay Thai?
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Haha yes we mocked sanshou then trained muay thai and then repeat
As for what I didnt like..nobody trains it yet Cung le built an alleged undefeated career in an art nobody practices.
One last time to amuse me. Who f****g trains sanshou?? Seriously??
I totally agree, always fought in K-1/ISKA under sanshou rules against people you barely heard of, or people with mma backgrounds.
Those guys in the video, they were elite Muay Thai strikers. They couldn't use their Muay Thai clinch against a grappler that uses hooks. UFC, they are elite Muay Thai strikers, yet we rarely see the Muay Thai clinch being used. It holds little leverage compared to what wrestlers, judo guys and other grapplers use.
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Haha yes we mocked sanshou then trained muay thai and then repeat
As for what I didnt like..nobody trains it yet Cung le built an alleged undefeated career in an art nobody practices.
One last time to amuse me. Who f****g trains sanshou?? Seriously??
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Another great fight. Also one of my biggest problems with Muay Thai is how recklessly and wildly they throw their kicks. When it misses they launch half way around the ring and leave themselves wide open and off balance. In MMA they never do that because they know what it will cost you to throw wild crazy kicks, MMA has grappling so guys know how to take better advantage of that. Just shows you that every martial art has its flaws when it comes to pure fighting, you barely see guys in MMA do pure Muay Thai striking by itself in its original form and logic. MMA pretty much keeps martial arts in check and shows you in which aspects they fail. Most guys in MMA learn Muay Thai but never completely fight in that style, you notice this especially when you realize how little the thai clinch is used seeing that grapplers use hooks to throw you around with much better leverage. Throwing knees in the clinch without your back to a ring/cage also puts all your body mass on one foot while the other knee is off the ground which makes it easier to take you down. I am not saying no one ever uses the thai clinch and that it is useless, look at Wenderlei/Jackson. Even the Muay Thai stance isn't used in MMA (the hand positioning and how square it is are the main differences), if you actually watch a Muay Thai guy fight then an MMA Muay Thai guy do the same, they both look completely different. Also in Muay Thai, you are supposed to have very little movement and too much movement (even laterally) is often frowned upon, that is another aspect of MT that doesn't transition into MMA. People say Muay Thai is so great because they see it working well in MMA, but the MT you see in MMA is not the same MT that the Thai's made. I personally believe even the craziest martial arts can be even a little effective, you just need guys that know how to use it. Also for guys saying those Muay Thai guys have never seen a takedown, have you ever seen a Muay Thai fight? They regularly grab each others feet and do trips. They certainly don't learn to do hip throws though.
Another great fight. Also one of my biggest problems with Muay Thai is how recklessly and wildly they throw their kicks. When it misses they launch half way around the ring and leave themselves wide open and off balance. In MMA they never do that because they know what it will cost you to throw wild crazy kicks, MMA has grappling so guys know how to take better advantage of that. Just shows you that every martial art has its flaws when it comes to pure fighting, you barely see guys in MMA do pure Muay Thai striking by itself in its original form and logic. MMA pretty much keeps martial arts in check and shows you in which aspects they fail. Most guys in MMA learn Muay Thai but never completely fight in that style, you notice this especially when you realize how little the thai clinch is used seeing that grapplers use hooks to throw you around with much better leverage. Throwing knees in the clinch without your back to a ring/cage also puts all your body mass on one foot while the other knee is off the ground which makes it easier to take you down. I am not saying no one ever uses the thai clinch and that it is useless, look at Wenderlei/Jackson. Even the Muay Thai stance isn't used in MMA (the hand positioning and how square it is are the main differences), if you actually watch a Muay Thai guy fight then an MMA Muay Thai guy do the same, they both look completely different. Also in Muay Thai, you are supposed to have very little movement and too much movement (even laterally) is often frowned upon, that is another aspect of MT that doesn't transition into MMA. People say Muay Thai is so great because they see it working well in MMA, but the MT you see in MMA is not the same MT that the Thai's made. I personally believe even the craziest martial arts can be even a little effective, you just need guys that know how to use it. Also for guys saying those Muay Thai guys have never seen a takedown, have you ever seen a Muay Thai fight? They regularly grab each others feet and do trips. They certainly don't learn to do hip throws though.
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Muay Thai is striking. Mma is striking grappling takedowns and submissions. So what works in one doesnt always translate to the other as they are different
If nobody told you this I'm sorry. Your post above...wowie
Muay Thai is striking. Mma is striking grappling takedowns and submissions. So what works in one doesnt always translate to the other as they are different
If nobody told you this I'm sorry. Your post above...wowie
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Yes, because the clinch in Muay Thai is all about grabbing ahold of the opponent's head and does not include underhooks..
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His trolling was becoming too obvious on F12, so he switched to F11.
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Jukai I can't stop laughing at that GIF.
It's like if he's already discouraged by the shittiness of the thread, then sees the quote on top of him, then gets even more discouraged / dazzled.
Is it what this meme intends ? Or just my interpretation ?
I completely agree and that is why I was talking about martial arts translation into mma MT translates well into MT comps but it doesn't translate as well as most think it does in mma.
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MMA means mixed martial arts , the kicks , throws , grappling , wrestling ,.... all come from some type of martial art ,,, they were invented and refined by someone wearing a gi , not some fucking cowbow wearing a tight affliction shirt ,,
by using only one type of disciplne only , its impossible to dominate in a mma fight , a boxer alone will not dominate ,a karateka will not dominate , a sanshou fighter will not dominate , a muay thai fighter will not dominate ect ....
why always the comparison of an art or sport relevance to mma ,, mma is a sport unique to itself .
by using only one type of disciplne only , its impossible to dominate in a mma fight , a boxer alone will not dominate ,a karateka will not dominate , a sanshou fighter will not dominate , a muay thai fighter will not dominate ect ....
why always the comparison of an art or sport relevance to mma ,, mma is a sport unique to itself .
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uhh from the sanda vs mt vids I've seen the MT guys get dumped alot or we these not under rules that favor the Mt clinch.
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The guys in the UFC are elite Muay Thai fighters? No matter how many times I read it, I can't convince myself that those words are actually written in your post. Have you ever watched Muay Thai? Or even kickboxing, for that matter?
You also demonstrate a popular and fundamental misunderstanding about what the "Muay Thai clinch" is. It's not just a double collar tie. It's a whole system of using upper body wrestling to set up sweeps, throws, and strikes. As if Muay Thai guys don't use hooks and arm control in their clinching. You need to watch something other than the UFC and see the whole world of striking science and technique that's out there before you say something like you just did.
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How about an un biased post for once?
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If this is true
"According to data published by the professional Muay Thai association in Thailand, no foreigner has ever beaten a Thai Muay Thai fighter."
Its no surprise
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did you read my post yesterday, i said i was toyed with by a bjj world champion, and i admit that, so read before you call me biased.
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........ Did you take too many punches to head in your career or what payak....
and oh shit he called Bay Area a dog mouth buffalo ****
ITS ON NOW SON
and oh shit he called Bay Area a dog mouth buffalo ****
ITS ON NOW SON
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problem with Sanshou/Sanda: it's not very popular anywhere... even in China, it doesn't have a very big following in a capitalistic sense. So being its champion doesn't require you to go through such tough selection. What irks me alot is that the Chinese government overhypes Sanshou superiority through very cheeky means (the way Sanshou vs MT matches are set up to favour Sanshou guys lots)
I've fought in amateur sanshou, and to me, it's a blast. The rules are very fast pace. I was very successful at it, despite never training for it. Whatever I am weak at (ground work, extended clinch, Sanshou doesn't allow)
I was preparing lots for muay thai fights, and I also wrestled under an Olympian as my coach
A few of my friends in Canada practice MT but competes in Sanshou in the off season to get extra sparring/competition times. Fun too. But it's hard to take the sport seriously when you can win at a high level, without having training in it
I've fought in amateur sanshou, and to me, it's a blast. The rules are very fast pace. I was very successful at it, despite never training for it. Whatever I am weak at (ground work, extended clinch, Sanshou doesn't allow)
I was preparing lots for muay thai fights, and I also wrestled under an Olympian as my coach
A few of my friends in Canada practice MT but competes in Sanshou in the off season to get extra sparring/competition times. Fun too. But it's hard to take the sport seriously when you can win at a high level, without having training in it
