Law Same sex marriage under review?

[Siver!]

- What i dont get is: If the gay people get the right to marry, how they can loss that after? I thought in law, you dont loss beneficies.

It's probably just red meat for the homophobes and probably won't happen.

The right are smart and shameless enough to include racists, sexists and other bigots to give them a sense of political security. Their votes are as good as a decent person's.

 

[William Huggins]

Yeah but when we're talking adoption we have to compare things to the care system. Unless you're willing to consider making childbirth outside of marriage illegal you're going to end up with children who need adopting and if they don't get adopted then they're at the mercy of the care system.

Totally agree but we need to aim for ideals

 

[Sinister]

Yes or white people or any people they don't want.

Glad you openly admit that you think racial discrimination should be legal.

Freedom of association as long as they get no public funding and are private.

If a church say rents out halls for things then they have to follow the laws on that.

Do you agree with DEI.

They get tax exemptions. No "this color only" organization should exist, never mind get tax exemptions.

 

[Sinister]

You asked age of consent and thought it was outrageous a 14 year old could do so. Germany is one such place. So is Italy.

But no I don't think anybody should be required to marry anyone and I don't agree with wanting to ban same sex marriages which is your topic of discussion.

Marriage is more than just some religious ceremony, it carries power in the State. The State recognizes marriages. And the reason it does has to do with property and estate rights. One of the key reasons gay marriage was pushed was because gay people wanted a legal channel so that if anything happens to them their property automatically goes to their spouse as opposed to family who rejected them. This was very difficult on States where their marriages were illegal (which also meant their Civil Unions) were illegal.

If an institution offers marriage, it doesnt make sense to then grant them the right to discriminate, as again, that leaves the door open for them to say they won't marry black people either. Or Latinos. It's ridiculous. Or even worse, interracial marriages which some people now in 2025 still believe should be against the law based on the belief that it's against their religion. Race mixing shouldnt be a thing.

If we are going to give legal power to these superstitions then the State has ever right to regulate them and tell a Church if they discriminate, then they dont get the legal power.

 

[DoctorTaco]

you don't remember the left going apeshit over "book bannings" just a few years ago? they weren't even "book bannings" actually, the right was rightly pushing remove to inappropriate material in children's libraries, which included the standard leftist filth, which was mostly gay kink, teaching things like "rimjobs" and the standard drag queen nonsense at the time. you guys seriously don't remember all the schoolboard meetings of angry parents reading those books out loud, only to be censored or cutoff by leftist school board members?

how tf do you guys not remember this????? like holy shit, do y'all lie ALL the time??

He said, “schools to insert gay porn into their libraries”
Please cite a single example of this

 

[cooks1]

I posted the law and it says under certain conditions a 14 year old can have sex and it's legal.

I personally think its way too young but when has thst ever stopped a teenager from doing something like that. There are a lot of teens that are too young and told they are but are still sexually active. Which is why I want birth control relatively easy and cheaply available at certain age if they want it.

If a 14 year old gets pregnant do you want her forced to get an abortion with no other choice.

You are just raging and ranting and insulting but nothing more. Trying to have any semi intelligent conversation with you is impossible.

We don't agree on a lot. But we do on this. Thankfully it's a lot less frequent than it used to be, but 'underage' teenagers have sex all the time. It's not always rape. Using the definition of some, I am a rape victim. My first experience was at 16 and with a girl 2 years older. Am I a rape victim?

 

[Sinister]

Should you be allowed to not let a person enter your house?

Do you need to provide a good reason for this, or should you be able to stop them for coming in for any reason you want?

My house is not a tax exempt institution granted with recognized State powers over the lives of people who dont live there, dipsh*t.

 

[Aurelian]

Marriage is more than just some religious ceremony, it carries power in the State. The State recognizes marriages. And the reason it does has to do with property and estate rights. One of the key reasons gay marriage was pushed was because gay people wanted a legal channel so that if anything happens to them their property automatically goes to their spouse as opposed to family who rejected them. This was very difficult on States where their marriages were illegal (which also meant their Civil Unions) were illegal.

If an institution offers marriage, it doesnt make sense to then grant them the right to discriminate, as again, that leaves the door open for them to say they won't marry black people either. Or Latinos. It's ridiculous. Or even worse, interracial marriages which some people now in 2025 still believe should be against the law based on the belief that it's against their religion. Race mixing shouldnt be a thing.

If we are going to give legal power to these superstitions then the State has ever right to regulate them and tell a Church if they discriminate, then they dont get the legal power.

Well, this was an informative post but I'm not against same sex marriages and don't believe in discrimination either. Did you perhaps mean to quote someone else?

 

[Sinister]

Well, this was an informative post but I'm not against same sex marriages and don't believe in discrimination either. Did you perhaps mean to quote someone else?

No. Your post said you dont think anyone should be required to marry anyone. I assumed that's on the same lines of that Churches should be able to reject gay marriages.

No institution endowed with the power of legally sanctioned marriages should also be endowed with the power of discrimination. Any Church that rejects State marriages should only be performing ceremonial marriages that dont carry legal status.

 

[Aurelian]

No. Your post said you dont think anyone should be required to marry anyone. I assumed that's on the same lines of that Churches should be able to reject gay marriages.

No institution endowed with the power of legally sanctioned marriages should also be endowed with the power of discrimination. Any Church that rejects State marriages should only be performing ceremonial marriages that dont carry legal status.

I'm confused and out of my depth on this topic. I didn't know that it was even possible to forcibly require two individuals to marry each other.

 

[IanEdwards]

i think there may be a disjunction between two meanings of 'required to marry' here, between (1) 'required to marry' meaning requiring/forcing two people to marry and (2) 'required to marry' meaning required to be the vicar/person who marries the couple (and thus in some arguments, forcing a reverend to marrty a gay couple even if he thinks it is against his religion to do so), in the sense of overseeing the marriage rather than being married, here?

 

[Aurelian]

i think there may be a disjunction between two meanings of 'required to marry' here, between (1) 'required to marry' meaning requiring/forcing two people to marry and (2) 'required to marry' meaning required to be the vicar/person who marries the couple (and thus in some arguments, forcing a reverend to marrty a gay couple even if he thinks it is against his religion to do so), in the sense of overseeing the marriage rather than being married, here?

To get married, all you have to do is go to a courthouse and sign some papers. You don't need a church to do so.

 

[IanEdwards]

To get married, all you have to do is go to a courthouse and sign some papers. You don't need a church to do so.

well then I ain't got a fucken clue what y'all are disputing

 

[Sinister]

I'm confused and out of my depth on this topic. I didn't know that it was even possible to forcibly require two individuals to marry each other.

Like I said I thought you meant forcing Churches to perform the ceremony.

 

[Aurelian]

Like I said I thought you meant forcing Churches to perform the ceremony.

Ceremonies are just performative theatre, and it might be special to some people.

But getting married is very simple and straightforward. No church is necessary or required to have a legal marriage recognized by the State.

 

[IanEdwards]

yay me i was right, peace and harmony returns, I am awesome

 

[oldshadow]

Glad you openly admit that you think racial discrimination should be legal.


They get tax exemptions. No "this color only" organization should exist, never mind get tax exemptions.

Plenty of things I dont agree with and dont like are legal and they should be even if i dont like them.

They get tax exemptions because they must follow rules about separation of church. Take that away and you will scream about what happens next.

 

[fingercuffs]

Ceremonies are just performative theatre, and it might be special to some people.

But getting married is very simple and straightforward. No church is necessary or required to have a legal marriage recognized by the State.

I went in to get my marriage certificate in Virginia, got married and was back at my corporate studio apartment within an hour on my own when husband went back to work. It took me multiple trips to government offices in Amsterdam for them to fuck it up so badly we couldn't get married there.

 

[Aurelian]

I went in to get my marriage certificate in Virginia, got married and was back at my corporate studio apartment within an hour on my own when husband went back to work. It took me multiple trips to government offices in Amsterdam for them to fuck it up so badly we couldn't get married there.

Yeah in terms of difficulty getting married is a piece of cake.

Now, getting divorced is a whole complicated ordeal that's a nightmarish disaster.

 

[fingercuffs]

Yeah in terms of difficulty getting married is a piece of cake.

Now, getting divorced is a whole complicated ordeal that's a nightmarish disaster.

He was married before and they did it on the cheap, separated and sensibly split assets. If only people could just be sensible about these things.
Fun fact: I met him at his wedding.