Ryan Hall's NEW DVD'S *Yep,

shs101 said:
I also have the DVD it's some good stuff. For the people who have and seen the "flop" series.....what are your thoughts on this style of passing? Does anyone use it and with success? Really Im looking for some footage of high level guys using this.....for anyone who doesn't know what Im talking about its like a backstep pass variation but he shows a few techniques from there.
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Ryan Hall mentions it in the vids - Terere might be the most famous of "older school" players. Gui Mendes uses it too but calls it the Long step pass and uses slightly different grips.
 
shs101 said:
I also have the DVD it's some good stuff. For the people who have and seen the "flop" series.....what are your thoughts on this style of passing? Does anyone use it and with success? Really Im looking for some footage of high level guys using this.....for anyone who doesn't know what Im talking about its like a backstep pass variation but he shows a few techniques from there.
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I'm evaluating two of Ryan's methods for passing shin-to-shin from seated guard. The first is the flop from the PTG set and the second is getting to mount/mounted triangle from the Triangle set. The first is ridiculously simple and doesn't require you to fence your trapped leg to the outside, which I found to be harder than it looks. But if the bottom player is looking to pull and kick into 1LX, it can be hard to get low enough to flop without losing stability.

Personally, I like these flopping style of passes (especially the long step) so long as I can get my base and deny theirs. I've been on the other side of the flop and it's exactly how Ryan describes it: I'm grasping for straws (or underhooks in my case) that can't really influence anything.

On a minor note, Ryan says it's like a T1000-style of passing. I think he meant T2000. Arnold was T1000, IIRC, and he isn't made of liquid metal.
 
Dude, Ryan knows his Terminator. You need to sit down and watch the masterpiece that is T2 again.

Finally got my guard passing DVDs. Looking forward to lots and lots of "aha" moments.
 
sleeps anywhere said:
I'm evaluating two of Ryan's methods for passing shin-to-shin from seated guard. The first is the flop from the PTG set and the second is getting to mount/mounted triangle from the Triangle set. The first is ridiculously simple and doesn't require you to fence your trapped leg to the outside, which I found to be harder than it looks. But if the bottom player is looking to pull and kick into 1LX, it can be hard to get low enough to flop without losing stability.

Personally, I like these flopping style of passes (especially the long step) so long as I can get my base and deny theirs. I've been on the other side of the flop and it's exactly how Ryan describes it: I'm grasping for straws (or underhooks in my case) that can't really influence anything.

On a minor note, Ryan says it's like a T1000-style of passing. I think he meant T2000. Arnold was T1000, IIRC, and he isn't made of liquid metal.
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Arnold was the T-800, Liquid metal was the t-1000, nano-girl was the tx
 
I am pissed at myself for overreaching my BJJ Spending money recently... I can't get this set yet, but it is the most anticipated for me for a long time. I have been working on passing for a while and this is perfectly timed for me. Urghh!!!
 
Has anyone bought the inversed guard set ? Amazon.com still has it at 75$. Would like a review too see if i will buy it or not.
 
zemb said:
Has anyone bought the inversed guard set ? Amazon.com still has it at 75$. Would like a review too see if i will buy it or not.
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Arrived today. About 45 minutes into. All great open guard principals so far. Like all his stuff, great principals and concepts about jiu jitsu.
 
PointyShinyBurn said:
I'm with you, brother. Consistent menace over flashy SFX. Also, the most 80's sex scene ever.
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I love them both differently the way I love Alien and Aliens differently. Two different movies which acomplishes what it wants to in different ways.

Robert Patrick was so unconventially terrifying. Everytime he showed up in T2 I didn't know if someone was gonna get a metal spike in the eye or razor arm through the throat, but he was so skinny and non threatning in public.

To me the argument is like the fast zombie vs slow zombie debate.

Oh yeah, Ryan Hall is awesome.
 
Calibur said:
I love them both differently the way I love Alien and Aliens differently. Two different movies which acomplishes what it wants to in different ways.

Robert Patrick was so unconventially terrifying. Everytime he showed up in T2 I didn't know if someone was gonna get a metal spike in the eye or razor arm through the throat, but he was so skinny and non threatning in public.

To me the argument is like the fast zombie vs slow zombie debate.

Oh yeah, Ryan Hall is awesome.
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The Alien vs Aliens comparison is spot on for T1 and T2.

And Ryan Hall IS awesome, and I think that parcel I got in the mail yesterday was Passing the Guard!
 
I'm a little confused about the Roleta position (around which ~half of the inverted guard set revolves). Won't pretty much everyone just stand up and out of it, since passing standing is so popular these days?

Ryan's advice for when the guy stands is to be ready to set up a de la riva technique, which seems like good advice. But if everyone stands up, it seems like a game based around the kneeling position is not super valuable. What am I missing?

Pic of the base position from the youtube promo vid:

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Once you get a solid cross grip, I think the top guy would be wise to stay in a low 'combat base' posture like that rather than stand up in compromised posture and expose himself even more to sweeps. Also, I can see that position arising from guys trying to pass low in order to kill the DLR game, either by dropping into the windshield-wiper pass (and you thwarting it by not letting their knee get to the floor) or you threatening the cross grip triangle when they are on both knees (which some guys still do with some passes, especially at heavier weights), forcing them to put one knee up.
 
I'm not going to go in depth (maybe I will after watching it all) but after watching disc 1 of the inverted series, it's up to the usual quality standard. Ryan spends about a third of the disc going over the concepts of going inverted and forming effective structural defenses, and then the rest going over the Roleta guard position and then covering reactions to your opponents common counters to the position (two of the reactions are really just, go dlr and go rdlr though). Not sure if that's indicative of the split between invert/roleta for the whole series though.

All in all good so far. I did find it odd that when Ryan talks about an opponent standing the Roleta guard, and he then does the dlr back take/babybolo, he insists on doing an inversion spin to go around to the back. The pendulum version that the Mendes Bros use seems just fine when done right.
 
Thanks to TS and everyone posting reviews. The guard passing just became the first bjj DVD I bought followed by the the arm triangle DVD (fucking impulse buys).

Really hoping I get them for Christmas as my gym is closed for a week.
 
The arm triangles dvd is one impulse buy that you won't regret. I confess to being partial to the position, but that is probably my favorite instructional.
 
Good to hear. I am also partial to that position. When I saw that there was some KOB stuff in there it was allover for me.
 
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