[Ryan Garcia] My levels are so low for someone who took ostarine.

Kovalev's Man Bag said:
He was found to have between 35-60x higher Ostarine than what the commission would deem "trace" amounts. Reportedly he used a banned IV too in order to rehydrate and try and flush out the PEDs. Supposedly they have video evidence of it. Ryan Garcia's career is over.

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I gotta be honest, even though I don't like O'Malley or Garcia at all, both extremely annoying, I tended to think these were two of the rare examples where it WAS tainted supplements.

Reason being, there are much better, less detectable PEDs than ostarine, so an elite fighter wouldn't really have much incentive to take ostarine. And if it's known that supplements can contain ostarine, it made sense.
 
Kovalev's Man Bag said:
He was found to have between 35-60x higher Ostarine than what the commission would deem "trace" amounts. Reportedly he used a banned IV too in order to rehydrate and try and flush out the PEDs. Supposedly they have video evidence of it. Ryan Garcia's career is over.

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yeah I read some of that not the video. I have no doubt it's a NC. he ruined both haneys and his own career in one fight. well haney can come back but he's never going to be looked at the same unless he beats another top name or two.
 
Kovalev's Man Bag said:
He was found to have between 35-60x higher Ostarine than what the commission would deem "trace" amounts. Reportedly he used a banned IV too in order to rehydrate and try and flush out the PEDs. Supposedly they have video evidence of it. Ryan Garcia's career is over.

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Lmao. His narsasastic ass couldn't even stop filming himself for social media while he cheated in a 3rd way. SMH

As much as he deserves a lengthy suspension, part of me thinks it would be better for him not to get suspended and feed him to Spence or Boots.
This weirdo is so in love with himself & always talking about how he's going to bang other dude's chicks I rather Spence do some permanent rearrangement of his face.

The crap he talked about Kambosos' wife after he just suffered a humiliating career defining loss was despicable.

Its weird how this lowbrow do anything for attention clowns are propped up by today's society, when they should just be shunned.
 
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FlowchartRog said:
I gotta be honest, even though I don't like O'Malley or Garcia at all, both extremely annoying, I tended to think these were two of the rare examples where it WAS tainted supplements.

Reason being, there are much better, less detectable PEDs than ostarine, so an elite fighter wouldn't really have much incentive to take ostarine. And if it's known that supplements can contain ostarine, it made sense.
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I agree with Conte to a point. If tainted supplements are likely than tainted PEDs from microdosing are just as likely too....Same exact concept.


I also don't know why everyone keeps ignoring that he's on video saying how he doesn't even do supplements when the news 1st broke.

Its also dumb dumb logic & confirmation bias from him & his fans to accept the test results and process for being cleared of Nandrolone but then still make excuses or conspiratorial nonsense for Ostarine. Comical.
 
BoxingMMA said:
It would have been cheating if he somehow was able to fight for the belt while being over the limit but the fight they originally agreed to, didn't happen. It's impossible to "cheat" when it comes ti weight because you have to weight yourself before everyone before a fight starts and it's up to Haney to decide if he wants to continue or step back.

I know what you are trying to say but there's a difference between flat-out cheating and taking advantage of certain rules to get ahead. If the contract simply said "If you are over 140, fight is canceled" then ryan simply can't fight and ends up looking like an idiot (still did thanks to PED's) but charging him 500k per lb gives him an out, it allows him to come in over weight and still fight, so how can it be cheating if he was allowed to do it by those who sanction the combat?

Anyway, I've argued this point more than enough in this thread and it always comes down to the same thing, I am pretty sure you can read all my responses before.

Again, as I say, as far as the PED's, that is officially cheating as no one allowed him or gave him an out to fight while doped
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It's still cheating. He intentionally made a decision to not make weight and has said it was to gain an advantage. The consequences of that were not getting to fight for the belt and being fined.
Just because he was punished and they fought doesn't change that what he did is the literal definition of cheating.

There is no difference between that and his use of PEDs. He still got to fight with PEDs in his system(if the tests are correct). He will then be punished for that action. The fight still went ahead regardless. In both situations he will be punished in some way for cheating.

You are having to go back and forth with people because you are wrong. It doesn't matter if he intentionally missed weight, uses PEDs, throws head butts intentionally or wears dodgy weighted wraps, all of these are forms of cheating.

PEDs aren't the line where it becomes officially cheating. he didn't miss weight because of a bad weight cut either. he intentionally made a decision to not even bother to cut the weight and cared so little he was drinking beers on the ceremonial scale.
 
WklySportsMemes said:
Its also dumb dumb logic & confirmation bias from him & his fans to accept the test results and process for being cleared of Nandrolone but then still make excuses or conspiratorial nonsense for Ostarine. Comical.
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conspiracy theory nuts aren't exactly known for logical consistency.

they're fucking retards.
 
Haney trying to restore that Undefeated record.

 
maximus__ said:
It's still cheating. He intentionally made a decision to not make weight and has said it was to gain an advantage. The consequences of that were not getting to fight for the belt and being fined.
Just because he was punished and they fought doesn't change that what he did is the literal definition of cheating.

There is no difference between that and his use of PEDs. He still got to fight with PEDs in his system(if the tests are correct). He will then be punished for that action. The fight still went ahead regardless. In both situations he will be punished in some way for cheating.

You are having to go back and forth with people because you are wrong. It doesn't matter if he intentionally missed weight, uses PEDs, throws head butts intentionally or wears dodgy weighted wraps, all of these are forms of cheating.

PEDs aren't the line where it becomes officially cheating. he didn't miss weight because of a bad weight cut either. he intentionally made a decision to not even bother to cut the weight and cared so little he was drinking beers on the ceremonial scale.
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Were they aware he had PED's before the fight? Or did that knowledge come to us after the fact? While the weight was known to everyone before the fight and it still happened, so quite the comparison there...

Anyway, teachers go back and forth with students all the time and it isn't because students are correct, it's because they are stuborn and don't want to learn, so that example is also incorrect.

The fact of the matter is, I am not talking about him cheating in his championship fight. Even if it isn't a legal matter, one way to know if what you are saying is correct or not, simply say "would it hold up in court?"

"Your honor, he cheated, he intentionaly missed weight, he admited it."

"Correct, this is why that fight was scrapped and he didn't get fight for the belt and was charged 1.5 million dollars."

"No but then he beat me while being OW, it's cheating!"

"No because you accepted the new terms, that was a different fight and the weight wasn't an issue anymore.

That's all there's to it, no matter how much you want to look into it, Ryan cheated with PED's and he paid the price for intentionaly missing weight by not being allowed to fight for the belt.

But in the actual fight where he humbled Haney, he didn't cheat as far as weight is concerned, everybody knew his weight and they still accepted.

Needless to say, if Haney had won the fight, Ryan would still be facing punishment and cheating accusations from Haney due to the PED's, but he wouldn't be saying much about the weight anymore, because he won.

Since he lost, all of a sudden those 3lbs he was all too happy to accept 1.5 million for, are such an incredible advantage that it cost him the fight... please...
 
WklySportsMemes said:
Think somebody said it was his sister....
People should treat her and make the same comments he does about other women & watch him play the religion & victim cards.
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I didn't know he had a sister. Most of the women Ryan hangs around are in fact whores. That's what I figured she was. He just got engaged to an Australian porn star but is still mingling with like 4 other women.
 
maximus__ said:
It's still cheating. He intentionally made a decision to not make weight and has said it was to gain an advantage. The consequences of that were not getting to fight for the belt and being fined.
Just because he was punished and they fought doesn't change that what he did is the literal definition of cheating.

There is no difference between that and his use of PEDs. He still got to fight with PEDs in his system(if the tests are correct). He will then be punished for that action. The fight still went ahead regardless. In both situations he will be punished in some way for cheating.

You are having to go back and forth with people because you are wrong. It doesn't matter if he intentionally missed weight, uses PEDs, throws head butts intentionally or wears dodgy weighted wraps, all of these are forms of cheating.

PEDs aren't the line where it becomes officially cheating. he didn't miss weight because of a bad weight cut either. he intentionally made a decision to not even bother to cut the weight and cared so little he was drinking beers on the ceremonial scale.
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It's not cheating. Ryan was fined 1.5 million and wasn't able to take Haneys belts. He was punished and then allowed to fight by the commission.
 
Copper Burner said:
It's not cheating. Ryan was fined 1.5 million and wasn't able to take Haneys belts. He was punished and then allowed to fight by the commission.
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What Ryan did is quite literally the definition of cheating. You're the second person in this thread that doesn't seem to understand what the word actually means.
 
Copper Burner said:
It's dishonest, but it's not cheating.
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Dishonesty is part of the definition of cheating. The other part is using it to gain an unfair advantage which Ryan has already admitted to doing.

Here's the primary definition of the word from the Oxford dictionary.
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
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Kovalev's "Man Bag" said:
Dishonesty is part of the definition of cheating. The other part is using it to gain an unfair advantage which Ryan has already admitted to doing.

Here's the primary definition of the word from the Oxford dictionary.
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I agree, it's cheating by that definition. However, boxing already has guidelines in place to prepare for a situation like this. The penalties and loss of purse are defined for missing weight. The fighter gets penalized for their unprofessional behavior whether done intentionally or not. Any fighter can go this route. As long as the opponent accepts to fight a heavier opponent, it's game on. It's a dirty strategy for sure.

I do not approve of this behavior because it's sneaky and dishonest. It's not how a man should conduct himself.
 
Copper Burner said:
I agree, it's cheating by that definition. However, boxing already has guidelines in place to prepare for a situation like this. The penalties and loss of purse are defined for missing weight. The fighter gets penalized for their unprofessional behavior whether done intentionally or not. Any fighter can go this route. As long as the opponent accepts to fight a heavier opponent, it's game on. It's a dirty strategy for sure.

I do not approve of this behavior because it's sneaky and dishonest. It's not how a man should conduct himself.
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During a bout a fighter can cheat without necessarily being disqualified. Even if they commit an intentional foul. It too has a penalty, points are taken, but often the fight is still allowed to continue. Now the unified rules were already established and agreed upon before the incident happened. Does this mean it wasn't cheating? No. One fighter deliberately broke the rules and gained an unfair advantage in the fight. It doesn't matter whether they were disqualified or allowed to continue.
 
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