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Crime Russian influence campaign, yup all those right wing grifting dorks!

LangfordBarrow said:
Your statement was that the migrants picked those blue cities. What other option did they have?

It was a problem that could be dealt with much more economically if Abbott didn't spend money to bus these people to high cost of living areas for political clout. These migrants aren't going to disappear but it seems Republican led States want perceived future Democrat voters shipped out no matter the cost.
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My statement was that they asked the migrants do you want to go to NYC, Chicago, etc.

Ffs, please tell me that 'it's cheaper to house them in Texas' isnt your argument? NYC said they need billions and they have 1/10 of what came across the border.
 
Cid said:
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You probably are, but that doesn't adress the original point or the fact that these podcasters where making most of those same arguments before Russia paid them a penny.
 
PainIsLIfe said:
My statement was that they asked the migrants do you want to go to NYC, Chicago, etc.

Ffs, please tell me that 'it's cheaper to house them in Texas' isnt your argument? NYC said they need billions and they have 1/10 of what came across the border.
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To make a very specific and targeted point:

Yes, it's cheaper to house them in Texas. Because the infrastructure for housing them already exists there. To house them in NYC requires that new infrastructure is created to do so. We've spent the money, as a nation, to build that infrastructure near the border. If we move the migrants other parts of the country, we need to spend money to build new infrastructure wherever we send them.

It's like having a jail for criminals and instead of putting them into that jail, they send them to a place with no jail and comment on how much it's costing to build a new jail there. Well...obviously. But the problem isn't that building a new jail is expensive. The problem is that we're not using the one we already built.

If they want to make a political point, okay. But if they want to make an economic point, it's stupid.
 
PainIsLIfe said:
You probably are, but that doesn't adress the original point or the fact that these podcasters where making most of those same arguments before Russia paid them a penny.
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I don't think that's as persuasive as you think.

If I say dumb shit and then someone pays me money to keep saying it because they know it's dumb shit, that's probably worse because it means I was an idiot for free, lol.

At least if they changed their message for the money, they'd be a Russian mouthpiece but they wouldn't be intrinsically stupid. This argument is that they were intrinsically stupid long before they made a penny for it, lol.
 
panamaican said:
To make a very specific and targeted point:

Yes, it's cheaper to house them in Texas. Because the infrastructure for housing them already exists there. To house them in NYC requires that new infrastructure is created to do so. We've spent the money, as a nation, to build that infrastructure near the border. If we move the migrants other parts of the country, we need to spend money to build new infrastructure wherever we send them.

It's like having a jail for criminals and instead of putting them into that jail, they send them to a place with no jail and comment on how much it's costing to build a new jail there. Well...obviously. But the problem isn't that building a new jail is expensive. The problem is that we're not using the one we already built.

If they want to make a political point, okay. But if they want to make an economic point, it's stupid.
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Tell me more about this national infrastructure that was built in Texas. Detainment centers aren't housing.

Links would be appreciated
 
PainIsLIfe said:
Tell me more about this national infrastructure that was built in Texas. Detainment centers aren't housing.

Links would be appreciated
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Detainment centers are where you house illegal borders crossers until their deportation hearings, it includes federal facilities and the local and state jails that are used to house them. We have approximately 200 such federal facilities in the country. There are 21 such facilities in Texas. 3 in New York (1 in NYC). That means 10% of the infrastructure is in Texas. 1.5% in New York. For reference, there are 6 facilities in California and 4 in Florida.

Detention Facilities

www.ice.gov www.ice.gov

So, yeah, Texas has a significantly larger infrastructure already in place to handle illegal immigrants than someplace like NYC. And this isn't just the facilities, it's also the personnel to ensure that illegal aliens are at their deportation hearings or to track them down if they skip the hearings. And the judges who can hear the actual deportation cases and authorize the deportation itself.

The infrastructure in Texas is much larger than the infrastructure anywhere else. And the US government pays Texas, and the local jails, for this. So, it remains cheaper for the nation to handle the matter in Texas, rather than disperse the illegal immigrants to other parts of the country where new money has to be allocated to address the issue.

It's a fine political stunt, it's just more expensive for the rest of us.
 
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PainIsLIfe said:
My statement was that they asked the migrants do you want to go to NYC, Chicago, etc.

Ffs, please tell me that 'it's cheaper to house them in Texas' isnt your argument? NYC said they need billions and they have 1/10 of what came across the border.
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It would be cheaper and safer to keep them at the border in tent cities until they've been processed rather than turning them loose inside the country.
 
terrapin said:
over the last few years I have noticed a slow but increasing view from the right that is favorable to Putin/Russia and even Hitler. we just found out that Russia has been paying off right wing influencers to sow discontent within our country so does that also explain the move towards sympathy for Russia?

if it does how do we explain the growing sentiment and defense and admiration of Hitler on the right? WW11 has always been something so dreadful to me, so blatantly horrific and evil that I am loath to even learn about it. germany's actions in that war are so vile and dark that it can genuinely be called evil without hyperbole. It stands out in history as one of the worst things to even happen to humanity (yes I know there are worse things).

how on earth is it possible that people on the right including Musk and other prominent figures seem sympathetic towards Hitler and sometimes even seem to admire him? What is happening because I truly cannot understand it and I find it so repugnant that I have no response at all.... I mostly just avoid hearing about it. But with the recent tweet deleted by Musk in favor of hitler I feel like its time for me to be educated on this topic.

what Is going on with the right that they could be brought to a place so morally bankrupt that Hitler needs defending and apologizing for?

I would really appreciate thoughtful answers on this because it fills me with dread.
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If I were being fair, I would say it isn't really about Hitler. So much of conservative motivation and their thought process is based on fear, reactionary thought, contrarianism, and being conspiracy theory minded.
When that's how you're making your decisions and looking at the world there is no stupid door you won't open.
In their world, people can simultaneously be Hitler and Stalin, your fellow countryman "HATES" America and HATES freedom, everyone's a communist, global warming doesn't exist, a blowhard, reality TV star can make for a great President, January 6th wasn't a big deal because there were riots in other cities about a completely unrelated topic somewhere else, the election was stolen even though Trump's own VP and appointed judges didn't back him, a serial cheater that is loathed by his own wife can somehow be the leader of the party of "family values" etc, etc. The contradictions and ridiculousness are endless.

Many of their arguments boil down to them having to fight some 'evil', so they need a "strong" man to save them. Trump is the hero of the MAGA saga.
It's why Trump always brings up the likes of Viktor Orban, makes veiled praises of the strength of Putin, Xi, and Kim Jong Un. Conservatives gravitate towards these so-called strong men because they are weak of mind. Instead of engaging with the arguments, they make up stories, deflect, do whataboutisms, or just attack with ad homs.

If someone on the left calls out the right for some Naziesque tactics, instead of denying it or properly refuting the argument, you'll get someone like Candace Owens to downplay what the Nazis did, and then hit you with a "you're a Commie", because the only thing that matters is "Pwning the Libs". It's contrarianism on steroids.
If the starting point of the discussion is "I think this person is an evil, godless, heathen that wants to destroy my country", then you can justify anything to fight against that. You don't even have to be honest because you're dealing with 'lunatics that can't even tell the difference between a man and a woman'.
 
SmilinDesperado said:
If I were being fair, I would say it isn't really about Hitler. So much of conservative motivation and their thought process is based on fear, reactionary thought, contrarianism, and being conspiracy theory minded.
When that's how you're making your decisions and looking at the world there is no stupid door you won't open.
In their world, people can simultaneously be Hitler and Stalin, your fellow countryman "HATES" America and HATES freedom, everyone's a communist, global warming doesn't exist, a blowhard, reality TV star can make for a great President, January 6th wasn't a big deal because there were riots in other cities about a completely unrelated topic somewhere else, the election was stolen even though Trump's own VP and appointed judges didn't back him, a serial cheater that is loathed by his own wife can somehow be the leader of the party of "family values" etc, etc. The contradictions and ridiculousness are endless.

Many of their arguments boil down to them having to fight some 'evil', so they need a "strong" man to save them. Trump is the hero of the MAGA saga.
It's why Trump always brings up the likes of Viktor Orban, makes veiled praises of the strength of Putin, Xi, and Kim Jong Un. Conservatives gravitate towards these so-called strong men because they are weak of mind. Instead of engaging with the arguments, they make up stories, deflect, do whataboutisms, or just attack with ad homs.

If someone on the left calls out the right for some Naziesque tactics, instead of denying it or properly refuting the argument, you'll get someone like Candace Owens to downplay what the Nazis did, and then hit you with a "you're a Commie", because the only thing that matters is "Pwning the Libs". It's contrarianism on steroids.
If the starting point of the discussion is "I think this person is an evil, godless, heathen that wants to destroy my country", then you can justify anything to fight against that. You don't even have to be honest because you're dealing with 'lunatics that can't even tell the difference between a man and a woman'.
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I think this is pretty spot on man and very well stated. It's helpful to me.
 
panamaican said:
Detainment centers are where you house illegal borders crossers until their deportation hearings, it includes federal facilities and the local and state jails that are used to house them. We have approximately 200 such federal facilities in the country. There are 21 such facilities in Texas. 3 in New York (1 in NYC). That means 10% of the infrastructure is in Texas. 1.5% in New York. For reference, there are 6 facilities in California and 4 in Florida.

Detention Facilities

www.ice.gov www.ice.gov

So, yeah, Texas has a significantly larger infrastructure already in place to handle illegal immigrants than someplace like NYC. And this isn't just the facilities, it's also the personnel to ensure that illegal aliens are at their deportation hearings or to track them down if they skip the hearings. And the judges who can hear the actual deportation cases and authorize the deportation itself.

The infrastructure in Texas is much larger than the infrastructure anywhere else. And the US government pays Texas, and the local jails, for this. So, it remains cheaper for the nation to handle the matter in Texas, rather than disperse the illegal immigrants to other parts of the country where new money has to be allocated to address the issue.

It's a fine political stunt, it's just more expensive for the rest of us.
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These immigrants were released; by feds no less, and told they'd have a future court date. Thus they can't be held in detainment centers and jails.

So tell me about the federal housing the govt put in TX for immigrants. I'll wait....
 
PainIsLIfe said:
These immigrants were released; by feds no less, and told they'd have a future court date. Surely you don't think Texas was the one releasing the migrants. Thus they can't be held in detainment centers and jails.

So tell me about the federal housing the govt put in TX for immigrants. I'll wait....
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LangfordBarrow said:
It would be cheaper and safer to keep them at the border in tent cities until they've been processed rather than turning them loose inside the country.
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You really think tent cities would be safer (or healthy)?

For the general public sure, but I doubt it would be safer for the migrants.
 
PainIsLIfe said:
You really think tent cities would be safer (or healthy)?

For the general public sure, but I doubt it would be safer for the migrants.
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What a laugh. The general public is who's important right? Tent cities or detention centers aren't safe or healthy enough for them? They're lucky they're here at all and having their claims processed. Now the minimum level of comfort for them should be hotels in expensive blue cities?
 
way to have an open discussion
by opening a thread with a title insulting your fellow countrymen
 
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