Social Russian army hazing

[SandisLL]

The main difference between some hazing or passage rituals in students circle and fraternities and etc... plus some gyms and military units vs so called dedovschina on USSR and post USSR era ....

Is that shit is done during short timeframe, one or couple sessions and then you are free.
Under dedovschina you might had been ordered even for example to clean showers and toilets 2 months in row just cos you are new guy in unit.
Torture with tasks and beatups done by group of guys etc soviet pleasure... might get till you will lost mind and end in mental clinic till end of life.

Might had happened despite some cast system that unit was normal and you get a bit hazing and ofc there were casts and still it wasn't horrible at all.
Happened also units just with some kind of casts but without mandatory hazing....

Sexual stuff IMHO was more rare than it is in internet while guy beated up by group of guys with items yup...in some units it was norm...
Etc idiotism levels.

 

[Anewt]

And one more time for the Hard of Thinking: Rape in the British Military is treated just as seriously as it is in civilian life. Any soldier, marine etc found guilty of rape would be Dishonourably Discharged and sentenced to a significant prison term.

Punishments such as being demoted in rank are reserved for much less serious offences, such as getting drunk at a party and coping a feel of a female soldier etc.

No different from civilian life, then, where many women refuse to report being raped for fear of not being believed, reprisals etc. Rape convictions hit a historic low between 2019 - 2020, with the Director of the CPS admitting

"It is clear that much more needs to be done both to encourage rape victims to come forward, and to support them through the criminal justice process"

None of the above changes the fact that when a report of rape is received, the crime will be investigated and the accused soldier, if found guilty, can expect a lengthy prison sentence. To take just one example: Gunner Joshua Holt of the Royal Artillery was convicted by Court Martial of raping a female soldier in his unit. He was sentenced to seven years in jail, and placed on the Sex Offenders Register indefinitely.

The process of reporting such crimes may be as flawed in the military as it is in civilian life. But any soldier convicted of sexual offences can expect to be heavily punished for it.

I'm sorry mate but you're incorrect. They definitely should be doing jail time. But some aren't. Also the penalties handed down are nowhere near the same penalties that a " civilian " would receive.

Like the sick fucks who raped the guy with a mortar, unfortunately it's just the tip of a iceberg in regards to military crimes going unpunished


Most recent article i could find

https://aoav.org.uk/2022/ongoing-concerns-of-sexual-violence-in-the-british-military-a-review/

Through analysis of local and national news reports, this newspaper has found at least 12 incidents of military men being accused of, arrested for, or convicted of rape, sexual assault, or offences involving child sexual abuse, since January this year. These findings are likely to be the tip of the iceberg.

We also note how, in 2011, a soldier deployed in Afghanistan was found to have sexually assaulted a four-year-old boy and an eight-year-old girl by forcibly placing their hands on his genitals.

The incidents – first exposed by Action on Armed Violence (AOAV) – took place on two separate occasions within two weeks but only came to light in 2022. Having pleaded guilty to two charges of conduct to the prejudice of good order and service discipline, the soldier paid a fine of £1,000. There was no evidence he was demoted or fired.


A British medic was jailed for 30 months for cp and offering 300$ for a 12year olds virginity.


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...assault-airman-initiation-ritual-b923953.html

I'm aware these allegations aren't pleasant and show the military in a negative light... but sorry mate , the reality is countless acts of pure indecent and heinous actions go under investigated and under punished.

Hell in 2021 this occurred

Peers vote to halt plans to limit UK soldiers’ accountability for war crimes

High-profile defeat inflicted on government over five-year deadline proposed in overseas operations bill

Peers have inflicted a significant defeat on the government, voting by 333 to 228 to halt plans to restrict prosecutions of torture and war crimes by British soldiers serving abroad.

A group led by former Nato secretary general George Robertson, and supported by some former military chiefs, told peers they wanted torture and war crimes to be excluded from a five-year limit on prosecutions proposed in the overseas operations bill.



Army corporal, 30, who sexually assaulted junior male soldier in Germany by performing sex act on him while telling the victim to imagine him as 'a girl from back home' is locked up for 14 months.

I in no way am trying to call the UK military deplorable, just pointing out that sadly fucked up things occur in the military that are often buried or only slightly punished.

Hazing is just one of the many things that are hidden behind the veil.

Hence the throwing rocks in glass houses comment.

But Russia trumps those in scale undoubtedly.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I'm sorry mate but you're incorrect. They definitely should be doing jail time. But some aren't. Also the penalties handed down are nowhere near the same penalties that a " civilian " would receive.

Like the sick fucks who raped the guy with a mortar, unfortunately it's just the tip of a iceberg in regards to military crimes going unpunished


Most recent article i could find

https://aoav.org.uk/2022/ongoing-concerns-of-sexual-violence-in-the-british-military-a-review/

Through analysis of local and national news reports, this newspaper has found at least 12 incidents of military men being accused of, arrested for, or convicted of rape, sexual assault, or offences involving child sexual abuse, since January this year. These findings are likely to be the tip of the iceberg.

We also note how, in 2011, a soldier deployed in Afghanistan was found to have sexually assaulted a four-year-old boy and an eight-year-old girl by forcibly placing their hands on his genitals.

The incidents – first exposed by Action on Armed Violence (AOAV) – took place on two separate occasions within two weeks but only came to light in 2022. Having pleaded guilty to two charges of conduct to the prejudice of good order and service discipline, the soldier paid a fine of £1,000. There was no evidence he was demoted or fired.


A British medic was jailed for 30 months for cp and offering 300$ for a 12year olds virginity.


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...assault-airman-initiation-ritual-b923953.html

I'm aware these allegations aren't pleasant and show the military in a negative light... but sorry mate , the reality is countless acts of pure indecent and heinous actions go under investigated and under punished.

Hell in 2021 this occurred

Peers vote to halt plans to limit UK soldiers’ accountability for war crimes

High-profile defeat inflicted on government over five-year deadline proposed in overseas operations bill

Peers have inflicted a significant defeat on the government, voting by 333 to 228 to halt plans to restrict prosecutions of torture and war crimes by British soldiers serving abroad.

A group led by former Nato secretary general George Robertson, and supported by some former military chiefs, told peers they wanted torture and war crimes to be excluded from a five-year limit on prosecutions proposed in the overseas operations bill.



Army corporal, 30, who sexually assaulted junior male soldier in Germany by performing sex act on him while telling the victim to imagine him as 'a girl from back home' is locked up for 14 months.

I in no way am trying to call the UK military deplorable, just pointing out that sadly fucked up things occur in the military that are often buried or only slightly punished.

Hazing is just one of the many things that are hidden behind the veil.

Hence the throwing rocks in glass houses comment.

But Russia trumps those in scale undoubtedly.

I agree that the sentence handed down to the soldier who sexually abused two children is far too lenient. The medic who received a 30 month sentence and the soldier who received 14 months for sexual assault are, sadly, in line with sentencing guidelines in the civilian world. Indeed, there are numerous examples of philes etc dodging jail even though they are repeat offenders.

Regarding the mortar bomb incident: that was a group from the RAF Regiment, not the Army, and IIRC, it wasn't regarded as rape, even though penetration obviously took place. It was treated as bullying and assault. The unit involved was disbanded, and it's officers suspended pending a full criminal investigation.

Throwing rocks in glass houses doesn't really apply here, as the Russian army is orders of magnitude worse in this regard than the British. Rape is seen as a legitimate tactic of war and takes place on a large scale. With the encouragement of senior officers.

It's the same with war crimes: a Royal Marine Sgt was tried and found guilty of manslaughter after finishing off a mortally wounded Taliban fighter who had attacked his unit. IIRC, he got four years in jail. Can you imagine any Russian soldier being disciplined for executing a Ukrainian soldier?

 

[Anewt]

I agree that the sentence handed down to the soldier who sexually abused two children is far too lenient. The medic who received a 30 month sentence and the soldier who received 14 months for sexual assault are, sadly, in line with sentencing guidelines in the civilian world. Indeed, there are numerous examples of philes etc dodging jail even though they are repeat offenders.

Regarding the mortar bomb incident: that was a group from the RAF Regiment, not the Army, and IIRC, it wasn't regarded as rape, even though penetration obviously took place. It was treated as bullying and assault. The unit involved was disbanded, and it's officers suspended pending a full criminal investigation.

Throwing rocks in glass houses doesn't really apply here, as the Russian army is orders of magnitude worse in this regard than the British. Rape is seen as a legitimate tactic of war and takes place on a large scale. With the encouragement of senior officers.

It's the same with war crimes: a Royal Marine Sgt was tried and found guilty of manslaughter after finishing off a mortally wounded Taliban fighter who had attacked his unit. IIRC, he got four years in jail. Can you imagine any Russian soldier being disciplined for executing a Ukrainian soldier?

Fare points, you're definitely right that I doubt a Russian would be charged with any kind of warcrimes currently . Realistically the crime of desertion is what they're far more likely to be " judged " and punished (killed )for.

The Kenya stuff is pretty brutal tho but that's off on a tangent. In regards to hazing it's easy to see Russia and ( also itswarcrimes ) is massive in the scale and inadequate ( non existent ) punishments. Sadly my mindset holds our standards ( uk aus west etc) to a far higher degree.

For some reason the fact that I consider Russian actions to be " Russia doing Russian things ". Where as for those I support they get judged on a far different scale and comes with more disappointment and disbelief at some of the situations that occur. I hold no such standards for Russia.

But by the same token I'm not naive enough to think they don't occur. Just certain aspects of it are glossed over , which I feel are relevant when on the topic.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Fare points, you're definitely right that I doubt a Russian would be charged with any kind of warcrimes currently . Realistically the crime of desertion is what they're far more likely to be " judged " and punished (killed )for.

The Kenya stuff is pretty brutal tho but that's off on a tangent. In regards to hazing it's easy to see Russia and ( also itswarcrimes ) is massive in the scale and inadequate ( non existent ) punishments. Sadly my mindset holds our standards ( uk aus west etc) to a far higher degree.

For some reason the fact that I consider Russian actions to be " Russia doing Russian things ". Where as for those I support they get judged on a far different scale and comes with more disappointment and disbelief at some of the situations that occur. I hold no such standards for Russia.

But by the same token I'm not naive enough to think they don't occur. Just certain aspects of it are glossed over , which I feel are relevant when on the topic.

Fair points. We should always hold ourselves to far higher standards than the Russians(not that difficult)both on the battlefield and off it. And any British serviceman, or woman for that matter, who commits a crime of sexual violence should be punished for it to the fullest extent of the law.

And yeah, the Kenyan incident was appalling. Was anyone convicted of the poor woman's murder? I can't remember off-hand.

 

[Deleted member 449757]

sodomy technique

 

[Anewt]

And yeah, the Kenyan incident was appalling. Was anyone convicted of the poor woman's murder? I can't remember off-hand.

Sadly the most recent details I could find is to the negative. Quite a history in kenya sadly but that's even further off topic.

June 2022. ( most recent article I could find )

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nyan-prostitute-Agnes-Wanjiru-21-England.html

Army claimed not have called witnesses or acted on alleged killer British soldier
Other soldiers say they were shown her body that evening by her alleged killer
In October, British army head promised to help Kenyan authorities with this case
But witnesses who saw her body that night not interviewed and 'killer' still free

Investigators into the stabbing of a Kenyan woman who was dumped in a septic tank have not interviewed key witnesses or arrested the alleged suspect, a British soldier, it's emerged.

But eight months on accused murderer Soldier X - who has been reportedly been named by fellow troops after he allegedly confessed to the killing - is said to be free and living in the south of England.

Soldiers who took part in the drunken and debauched night of group sex with local prostitutes said they were shown her body that evening by her alleged killer, it has previously been reported.

But key witnesses who were there on the night of Agnes' death, The Sunday Times reported today, have not been spoken to by military police.

There has also not been an investigation into eight service men - including Soldier X - 'laughing and joking on Facebook' about the mother-of-one's death, the paper reported.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Sadly the most recent details I could find is to the negative. Quite a history in kenya sadly but that's even further off topic.

June 2022. ( most recent article I could find )

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nyan-prostitute-Agnes-Wanjiru-21-England.html

Army claimed not have called witnesses or acted on alleged killer British soldier
Other soldiers say they were shown her body that evening by her alleged killer
In October, British army head promised to help Kenyan authorities with this case
But witnesses who saw her body that night not interviewed and 'killer' still free

Investigators into the stabbing of a Kenyan woman who was dumped in a septic tank have not interviewed key witnesses or arrested the alleged suspect, a British soldier, it's emerged.

But eight months on accused murderer Soldier X - who has been reportedly been named by fellow troops after he allegedly confessed to the killing - is said to be free and living in the south of England.

Soldiers who took part in the drunken and debauched night of group sex with local prostitutes said they were shown her body that evening by her alleged killer, it has previously been reported.

But key witnesses who were there on the night of Agnes' death, The Sunday Times reported today, have not been spoken to by military police.

There has also not been an investigation into eight service men - including Soldier X - 'laughing and joking on Facebook' about the mother-of-one's death, the paper reported.

Absolutely disgraceful. I suspect if he was accused of murdering a hooker in England, the response would have been rather different.

This smacks of the Army sweeping it under the rug because the victim was, "only" a foreign girl. She was still a human being, who didn't deserve to die like that.

 

[Boxeo12]

Russian soldier fighting back and fighting with his ncos .