International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V9

[San Marino]

The Taliban can piss off. We are not helping those fuckers.

We don't have to. We (the US) already left them with plenty of military equipment and money back in August of 2021. The Civil War and Terrorist Insurgency continues. The US will be back in Afghanistan in the future. Roughly 9,000 Americans are still trapped in Afghanistan (2022), but the Biden administration and the media do not talk about that - censorship. Why is that? Because Russia invaded Ukraine. It is a nice 'deflective' story to save Biden. Ukrainian lives are more important than American lives. That is truly amazing my friend. That is how fucked up things have gotten in the US government.

 

[grimballer]

No, the information wasn't there. It was not an election from the ground up by the inhabitants, but orchestrated by the Russian military with no transparency. This was obvious to everyone, and so no one has accepted the elections as valid. And your reference to Serbia is just such a revealing clue as to the source of your spite. Get over yourself.

no, that's only "obvious" to western politicians with an agenda and shills that support them.

again you cant just go redraw borders and create new puppet states, but then pretend it never happened and talk about "respecting" international law and
sovereignty of other states.

like putin said western nations open the pandoras box with their actions after the fall of soviet union and we are seeing the consequences of those actions today

 

[grimballer]

US is currently doing regime change in Haiti after the people rose up against fascism. MSM ignores it.

more like trying to keep the regime in place...

 

[ferrisjso]

more like trying to keep the regime in place...

True.

 

[ferrisjso]

We don't have to. We (the US) already left them with plenty of military equipment and money back in August of 2021. The Civil War and Terrorist Insurgency continues. The US will be back in Afghanistan in the future. Roughly 9,000 Americans are still trapped in Afghanistan (2022), but the Biden administration and the media do not talk about that - censorship. Why is that? Because Russia invaded Ukraine. It is a nice 'deflective' story to save Biden. Ukrainian lives are more important than American lives. That is truly amazing my friend. That is how fucked up things have gotten in the US government.

It's truly horrifying how many important issues normies don't even know exists because they trust MSM for their news.

 

[method115]

We don't have to. We (the US) already left them with plenty of military equipment and money back in August of 2021. The Civil War and Terrorist Insurgency continues. The US will be back in Afghanistan in the future. Roughly 9,000 Americans are still trapped in Afghanistan (2022), but the Biden administration and the media do not talk about that - censorship. Why is that? Because Russia invaded Ukraine. It is a nice 'deflective' story to save Biden. Ukrainian lives are more important than American lives. That is truly amazing my friend. That is how fucked up things have gotten in the US government.

9,000 Americans really? I'm sure you have some sort of proof of that?

 

[grimballer]

You have a really broad definition of "Western politicians" considering the only countries that recognise these referendums are Russia, North Korea, and Syria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_Donetsk_People's_Republic_and_the_Luhansk_People's_Republic

western nations rule over others with blackmail and extortion...

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

again why would majority russian population who was shelled by ukrainian forces for 8 years want to leave ukraine and join russia?

i see no reason why...

information was there... western politicians and media just labelled it as "sham referendum" from the start

again when it doesn't fit their narrative and agenda its "sham", when it does then it "legitimate" like what they did in serbia

Russia wanted a puppet government in Ukraine which was merely an extension of Russia. When it became clear Ukranians wanted to get closer with EU(which makes sense if you don't want to remain dirt poor all your life), Russia began to meddle in Ukranian affairs.

Were you also blind to Russians sending special forces and mercs to Donetsk and Luhansk to destabilize Donbas? Did you forget about little green men in Crimea? It is strange indeed that Ukraine would at least try to defend its territory against Russian infiltrators and a few a-holes looking to capitalize on the situation within Ukraine.

Anyone with a functioning brain did not trust those Crimean elections with an actual 20-30% turnout and half voting to stay. Nor did anyone with a functioning brain trust any of the elections in the four Ukranian regions.

There are videos of old 'babushkas' stuffing empty ballots by bagfuls. There are videos of blank papers being counted. There are videos of the 'poll workers' not even looking at the votes as they 'count' them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ent-nature-of-the-crimean-referendum-results/

But seriously please provide any sources you trust? I'll take anything....RT? Telegram channel of some type? Vladimir Putin's releases to the public? What is in your view a trusted MSM or non MSM source?

I will happily read it in English and Russian. I will do my best to read it in Spanish but it is rusty.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

I just don't see how that's possible after 2020. And I didn't say acceleration per say but civil unrest trying to put the military in a position where they're forced to save the govt or it's people. Acceleration will just push more people to that point. But they absolutley should already be there IMO. In any case the system can't be reformed the system is the problem. Western style represenative democracy is a cancer that prevents peoples needs from being met not just in the US but globally. It needs to die. It gives people the illusion they have a voice and rights and leads to more effective oppression than authoritarianism(which is very blatant and obvious) ever could.

I'm not saying my strategy is good or a strategy so much as I don't see an alternative. It's a strategy of pure desperation. But that's where we are especially in regards to climate change.

Also btw what are your thoughts the US trying regime change in Haiti and no one talking about it?

I understand your sentiments, but don't entirely share them nor do I entirely agree with your solutions. YMMV.

 

[AWilder]

Is this your new shtick?
Arn't we already supporting a side in alot of said conflicts?

Yes, yes we are. I spent time in Djibouti where... Stuff happens.

 

[Cid]

But seriously please provide any sources you trust? I'll take anything....RT? Telegram channel of some type? Vladimir Putin's releases to the public? What is in your view a trusted MSM or non MSM source?

I will happily read it in English and Russian. I will do my best to read it in Spanish but it is rusty.

Just make sure your AV is up to date before clicking any of them.

 

[grimballer]

Fully agreed. Two wrongs don't make a right. The USA wasn't right to invade Iraq and Russia wasn't right to invade Ukraine. Do you have a deeper point than this whataboutism?

it was already made but you probably missed it, so let me help you:

in real world geopolitics and realpolitik matter so don't go around antagonizing someone who can kick your ass, especially if its your next door neighbor

 

[Bojka]

it was already made but you probably missed it, so let me help you:

in real world geopolitics and realpolitik matter so don't go around antagonizing someone who can kick your ass, especially if its your next door neighbor

Yeah. I find the considering of fantasy hypotheticals a bit pointless. It isn't whataboutism to recognize the reality of things and point out the realistic possibilities. Which were seemingly diplomacy and neutrality or war.

 

[grimballer]

Russia wanted a puppet government in Ukraine which was merely an extension of Russia. When it became clear Ukranians wanted to get closer with EU(which makes sense if you don't want to remain dirt poor all your life), Russia began to meddle in Ukranian affairs.

Were you also blind to Russians sending special forces and mercs to Donetsk and Luhansk to destabilize Donbas? Did you forget about little green men in Crimea? It is strange indeed that Ukraine would at least try to defend its territory against Russian infiltrators and a few a-holes looking to capitalize on the situation within Ukraine.

Anyone with a functioning brain did not trust those Crimean elections with an actual 20-30% turnout and half voting to stay. Nor did anyone with a functioning brain trust any of the elections in the four Ukranian regions.

There are videos of old 'babushkas' stuffing empty ballots by bagfuls. There are videos of blank papers being counted. There are videos of the 'poll workers' not even looking at the votes as they 'count' them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ent-nature-of-the-crimean-referendum-results/

But seriously please provide any sources you trust? I'll take anything....RT? Telegram channel of some type? Vladimir Putin's releases to the public? What is in your view a trusted MSM or non MSM source?

I will happily read it in English and Russian. I will do my best to read it in Spanish but it is rusty.

at least the "puppet" regime was obtained through political means...

the guy who wasn't an anti russian western puppet got elected and decided to have working relations with russia

us reaction to that was same as a small child throwing a hissy fit after losing a board game and flipping the board over. they just backed a violent coup that ousted democratically elected president out.

of course after seeing that people in donbas rose up, especially considering some of the participants in the western backed coup were anti russian ukrainian nationalists

 

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[PEB]

 

[Strychnine]

Ukraine intelligence shows Moscow working to supplant Moldova pro-Western government

"Documents reviewed by The Washington Post show that Russian politicians have allied themselves with anarchist forces in Moldova including Ilan Shor, whom one political figure called “a worthy long-term partner” in Russia’s efforts in the country.

Shor organized a demonstration of thousands of Moldovans against their government in September despite being exiled to Israel following fraud and money laundering convictions.

The Post found that Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) refers to Shor as “the young one” and that the security arm of the government has provided massive financial support to Moldovan figures who are more aligned with Russia than the West.

The Treasury Department announced on Wednesday that it would sanction Shor and other Moldovan officials working closely with the Russian government.

“Today, the Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) took action to counter the Government of the Russian Federation’s (GoR) persistent malign influence campaigns and systemic corruption in Moldova by imposing sanctions on nine individuals and 12 entities,” the department wrote."

Ukraine intelligence shows Moscow working to supplant Moldova pro-Western government (msn.com)

Well, they tried it in Ukraine, so why not Moldova?

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Ukraine intelligence shows Moscow working to supplant Moldova pro-Western government

"Documents reviewed by The Washington Post show that Russian politicians have allied themselves with anarchist forces in Moldova including Ilan Shor, whom one political figure called “a worthy long-term partner” in Russia’s efforts in the country.

Shor organized a demonstration of thousands of Moldovans against their government in September despite being exiled to Israel following fraud and money laundering convictions.

The Post found that Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) refers to Shor as “the young one” and that the security arm of the government has provided massive financial support to Moldovan figures who are more aligned with Russia than the West.

The Treasury Department announced on Wednesday that it would sanction Shor and other Moldovan officials working closely with the Russian government.

“Today, the Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) took action to counter the Government of the Russian Federation’s (GoR) persistent malign influence campaigns and systemic corruption in Moldova by imposing sanctions on nine individuals and 12 entities,” the department wrote."

Ukraine intelligence shows Moscow working to supplant Moldova pro-Western government (msn.com)

Well, they tried it in Ukraine, so why not Moldova?

This blows apart a bunch of arguments from Putin apologists.

The West are morally obliged to invade Moldova the second there's any type of coup.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Ukraine intelligence shows Moscow working to supplant Moldova pro-Western government

"Documents reviewed by The Washington Post show that Russian politicians have allied themselves with anarchist forces in Moldova including Ilan Shor, whom one political figure called “a worthy long-term partner” in Russia’s efforts in the country.

Shor organized a demonstration of thousands of Moldovans against their government in September despite being exiled to Israel following fraud and money laundering convictions.

The Post found that Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) refers to Shor as “the young one” and that the security arm of the government has provided massive financial support to Moldovan figures who are more aligned with Russia than the West.

The Treasury Department announced on Wednesday that it would sanction Shor and other Moldovan officials working closely with the Russian government.

“Today, the Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) took action to counter the Government of the Russian Federation’s (GoR) persistent malign influence campaigns and systemic corruption in Moldova by imposing sanctions on nine individuals and 12 entities,” the department wrote."

Ukraine intelligence shows Moscow working to supplant Moldova pro-Western government (msn.com)

Well, they tried it in Ukraine, so why not Moldova?

You would think Putin has his hands a bit full at the moment. But with his level of insanity you never can tell.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

You would think Putin has his hands a bit full at the moment. But with his level of insanity you never can tell.

I don't think it's that hard to corrupt and divide a country, most of them do pretty well on their own.

Just play on naturally occurring bias and hate, and give reason to people to magnify it.

Let's hope this one fails. Last thing we need is another country that isn't "allowed" to free itself from Russia without getting bombed to bits by the psychotic Putler.