International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V9

[Ruthless Ryan]

I don't think it's that hard to corrupt and divide a country, most of them do pretty well on their own.

Just play on naturally occurring bias and hate, and give reason to people to magnify it.

Let's hope this one fails. Last thing we need is another country that isn't "allowed" to free itself from Russia without getting bombed to bits by the psychotic Putler.

For sure, It would just another "special military operation" of course...

 

[Denter]

So much interest in this 'shitty' war in Ukraine.
As if it was the only current conflict in the world and somehow Ukrainian lives are more valuable than lives in other conflicts.
A few countries currently at war, 2022:
. Afghanistan
. Ethiopia
. Nigeria
. Somalia
. South Sudan
. Syria
. Yemen
. Myanmar
Where is all the US and EU support for the countries listed above?

It's an opportunity to weaken Russia. That's why it's front and center. Great power politics basically.

 

[Blayt7hh]

If they still voted to remove him after he fled sounds like he was removed legally. Am I missing something here?

No he was legally removed. The Maidan revolution was encouraged by the west, as why wouldn’t we welcome a country trying to westernize but it was not a western operation.

The Russians armed some pro Russian goons and sent them in to take the capitals of those “separatist” regions where they then held elections to become Russian satellites essentially. Those elections were a complete farce, with them claiming that the regions weee 95% in favor of separating. An absolutely ridiculous number. But this is the story that the pro Russian goofballs have been trying to spin as justification for the invasion. They tend to leave out a lot of key details though and invent stories about how the west coerced and orchestrated it. It’s all bullshit though

 

[Deleted member 585708]

So much interest in this 'shitty' war in Ukraine.
As if it was the only current conflict in the world and somehow Ukrainian lives are more valuable than lives in other conflicts.
A few countries currently at war, 2022:
. Afghanistan
. Ethiopia
. Nigeria
. Somalia
. South Sudan
. Syria
. Yemen
. Myanmar
Where is all the US and EU support for the countries listed above?

Aren't most of those civil wars?

Certainly some of them.

War is horrific in all it's forms, don't get me wrong, but if Ukraine was attacking itself, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be sending them any weapons.

There's a massive difference, just not for the poor people that perish. For them, there's no difference whatsoever.

 

[Nameless King]

So much interest in this 'shitty' war in Ukraine.
As if it was the only current conflict in the world and somehow Ukrainian lives are more valuable than lives in other conflicts.
A few countries currently at war, 2022:
. Afghanistan
. Ethiopia
. Nigeria
. Somalia
. South Sudan
. Syria
. Yemen
. Myanmar
Where is all the US and EU support for the countries listed above?

Are you really that dull?

How those countries can possibly threaten west?

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Are you really that dull?

How those countries can possibly threaten west?

It's the logical equivalent of saying Dahmer shouldn't have been locked up because a murderer in Colombia was getting away with it.

Makes zero sense, but has somehow been used in all 9 megathreads so far.

 

[GhostZ06]

lol@ iran

 

[GhostZ06]

^ that is a rarer T-90 for sure

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[Deleted member 585708]

lol@ iran

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022...call-for-alleged-use-of-it-sdrones-in-ukraine

"False and baseless", apparently.

False and baseless.

 

[Terry Noonan]

Iran aren’t our friends. Not sure why we’d expect them to say yes we’re sending weapons to Russia, lol…

 

[JadeOwl]

You don't believe the 2014 coup was backed by nato?

I don't.

If it had been a military coup or something that similarly involved a limited number of people, I would consider the possibility on the merits... but when the fuck has any of the intelligence services of the NATO countries demonstrated any ability to engineer mass popular demonstrations or uprisings?

They sure as help gave their full support and recognition once it got going, but there's no way in hell they created it out of whole cloth.

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[Deleted member 585708]

German President regrets trying to deal with Russia:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63433232

Germans believed they were beyond an age of insecurity and violence in Europe - but those days are gone, the country's President Frank-Walter Steinmeier has said.

"Harder years, tough years are coming. The dividends of peace have run out. For Germany, an age is beginning in which we must brave the headwinds," he told the nation in a televised address.

Mr Steinmeier added that while the state would help poorer people with the rising cost of living, everyone would have to make sacrifices.

He was also critical of his own past beliefs about Moscow: namely that peace could be achieved through trade and energy links. February's invasion "marked the final failure" of those efforts, he said.

 

[Rational Poster]

I don't.

If it had been a military coup or something that similarly involved a limited number of people, I would consider the possibility on the merits... but when the fuck has any of the intelligence services of the NATO countries demonstrated any ability to engineer mass popular demonstrations or uprisings?

They sure as help gave their full support and recognition once it got going, but there's no way in hell created it out of whole cloth.

Yeah it seems strange to me. The dumbest people in society constantly suspect that every major power or influence group in the world is constantly plotting elaborate schemes involving millions of people like Littlefinger is in charge of every country.

In reality, the world is so massive and complex today, the best we can hope from our leaders at this point is to be reactionary and make good decisions when things do happen.

 

[Rational Poster]

I've seen some figures floating around they've lost ~2800-2900 of their 3300 combat ready tanks.

 

[Rational Poster]

Also there's a medical report floating around of a Russian soldier that had to be treated because his mosin-nagant exploded in his hands.

 

[Andy Capp]

Yeah this kind of money is quite fungible and normally flows in all sorts of ways. Its quite difficult to track what it does or doesn't do. Nevertheless, I doubt that money was disinterested.

It was spent over the course of decades toward the betterment of the country, just like foreign investment in Russia after glasnost, not tossed in a bucket labeled "regime change".

 

[Andy Capp]

US is currently doing regime change in Haiti after the people rose up against fascism. MSM ignores it.

Who ignores what now?
lol

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

at least the "puppet" regime was obtained through political means...

the guy who wasn't an anti russian western puppet got elected and decided to have working relations with russia

us reaction to that was same as a small child throwing a hissy fit after losing a board game and flipping the board over. they just backed a violent coup that ousted democratically elected president out.

of course after seeing that people in donbas rose up, especially considering some of the participants in the western backed coup were anti russian ukrainian nationalists

How is Zelenskyy a Western puppet?

He was elected with 71% of popular vote and has 90+% approval rate.

It is quite logical to be anti-Russian after everything Russia has done over the years. To any logical person ties to EU are far more preferable to those of Russia. Do you think it's an accident vast majority of Russia is a 3rd world s-hole? Do you think Russian soldiers looting washing machines was a sign of great economic times and development?

I am still waiting for a source you trust. I am anticipating a YouTube link to some American colonel who spouts Russian talking points while interviewed on RT. I am hoping I am wrong and you only post some far right Aussie source.