International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

[PEB]

Russia looking at attacking Norway oil and natural gas production seriously Putin an a-hole.

 

[Blayt7hh]

What's the confusion? Because you didn't say that. You said we would start shooting down their planes. NOW you add the caveat that they'd do that IF they shot down ours first. Maybe you were thinking that but that's not what you typed.

But anyway my point still stands. I'm of the opinion that NATO should go to war with Russia, in terms of kicking them out of Ukraine. I think the threat of nuclear war is just an excuse for NATO not to have to go hands on, i.e. they don't actually believe there is a significant risk of that happening.

So if WWIII was going to start if we enforced a no-fly zone over Ukraine because we'd end up shooting down Russian planes, what's the difference? Somehow Putin is supposedly going to act rationally and say 'Oh well you shot down one of our planes, no biggie, because we shot first and it wasn't over Ukraine!. My bad' Does that make any sense? Do you think even if he took that tact his war-hawks would applaud him for being sensible?

After all you said yourself, you don't blame Russia for shooting at the RAF because they are operating that close. So why is NATO so reluctant to enforce a no-fly zone but sailing so close to the wind by operating that close to Russia when it's likely that we'll start shooting each other down which apparently is what will lead to WWIII according to NATO. It doesn't add up. Either NATO engaging Russia directly leads to WWII or it doesn't. I'm calling BS, it's an excuse.

I stopped reading after you said “added the caveat”. I didn’t need to add it. The story you shared was about them shooting at an RAF plane. I didn’t think I needed to explain that

 

[Dalarna3]

What do you mean?

I think that we would get involved in a situation where the conflict escalates to use of WMDs or if Russia starts actually really winning. We’re getting more and more geared up for it. There’s also an article about a former CIA director claiming that we would go in not as NATO, but a multinational force, but I’m not 100% sure how legit it is. https://news.yahoo.com/elite-u-troops-practice-war-152214468.html

 

[Anewt]

You're mostly right about not caring for Ukraine. It's exactly why the helping effort has been poor IMO. More words than actions really. Can't blame anyone though. Ukrainians seem capable of resisting even with not so much help and are tbh thankful of what has been sent so far. I see for example they like Boris Johnson, consider him a hero lol. What helps ukrainians at this point as equally as weapons is political support, even if it's rhetorics. They face a bigger stronger enemy that they see it can be finally hurt and isn't unbeatable. Just telling them they will win this, helps them a lot with morale at this point, because they'll fight till the end regardless. (Even if you don't send material help)

The west can (and at one point might) stop the help, but considering the developments one after the other, there's nothing suggesting the west should stop the support now. It's been something like 13 or 14 billion in total and tbh considering the scale of the conflict and the success it has produced for the defending partner of ours, it has been a worthy investment. Just my 2 cents.

Ukraine needs to keep a iron control of its press.. that's sadly one of the most important things for Ukraine's morale and outlook.

 

[PEB]

 

[PEB]

Ukrainians are scared of Trump an his congress people to kill support for them. They are facing the greatest threat to the West since WWII. They are calling out politicians who have ties to Trump. The biggest targets are people running for congressional an Senate like MTG an Vance. Especially Vance because a huge Ukrainian an Polish population an are targeting them.

 

[Queen B]

Ukrainians are scared of Trump an his congress people to kill support for them. They are facing the greatest threat to the West since WWII. They are calling out politicians who have ties to Trump. The biggest targets are people running for congressional an Senate like MTG an Vance. Especially Vance because a huge Ukrainian an Polish population an are targeting them.

 

[Strychnine]

Israel destroys Iranian drone manufacturing plant in Syria

"Israeli military sources quoted by the daily 'Yedioth Aharonot' explained that the attack was executed with missiles launched from the Sea of Galilee and that the Syrian anti-aircraft defenses shot down most of the projectiles.

The Saudi network Al Arabiya reported that the target was members of the 4,400th Unit of the Lebanese Hezbollah party-militia, an ally of Iran, which was transporting Iranian weapons from Syria to Lebanon under the command of Hajj Fadi.

Fadi was responsible for the ammonium nitrate shipment at the port of Beirut that caused a devastating explosion in 2020, the aftermath of which is still affecting the Lebanese economy and society.

In addition, Unit 4400 would have direct links to Unit 190 of the Quds Force, the overseas branch of Iran's Revolutionary Guard."

Israel destroys Iranian drone manufacturing plant in Syria (msn.com)

Let's all hope that Iran sent out all they had to Russia and told them more were coming.

Because that supply line just got a LOT longer.

 

[SandisLL]

They most likely still majority of drones are manufacturing in Iran.
Just installed another factory in Siria in order to be able tell: these aren't our drones....

 

[SandisLL]

Donald ofc as russia's friend will cut support for Ukr.

Cos reps are stupid.
They are thinking that if Ukr will go 404, these ukr will remain in....ukraine.
Nope.
The same EU will be flooded with refugees....till unbearable ...

Ofc trumptards doesn't know simple thing.
It will be bad for US cos EU is largest U.S trade partner.
Bad situation in EU = lesser income for U.S businesses = lesser jobs in U.S. = budget worse etc.

Trumptards doesn't think rationally.
Even when is clear that Russia is Iran's friend and improves relationships with North Korea.
Anyway will love russia.

 

[lsa]

Kherson becomes Ukrainian test: "Can make it very difficult"
The expected battle for the city of Kherson will mean that Ukraine's military strategies will be thoroughly tested, writes the Wall Street Journal.

While Russian forces have taken control of cities by nearly razing them to the ground, Ukraine has sought to avoid combat in urban environments by first striking Russian logistics and then forcing the Russians to retreat before being encircled. But Kherson can be different.

Ukraine has long been targeting fuel and ammunition depots in the hope that Russian forces will flee east across the Dnieper River, but that has not happened yet.

Military strategy experts predict that the city's symbolic importance may make Russia more willing to fight for Kherson than in other Ukrainian offensives.

- If the Russians want to fight for Kherson and are prepared to sacrifice units, they can make it very difficult, says Phillips O'Brien.

https://omni.se/senaste

 

[SandisLL]

To sacrifice units?
Sure they already proved that are ready....
+ wagner now hired a lot of prisoners.
+ if they have a lot ppl from remote areas....kalmiks, buyats, dagis, yakuts etc....

 

[Blayt7hh]

Kherson becomes Ukrainian test: "Can make it very difficult"
The expected battle for the city of Kherson will mean that Ukraine's military strategies will be thoroughly tested, writes the Wall Street Journal.

While Russian forces have taken control of cities by nearly razing them to the ground, Ukraine has sought to avoid combat in urban environments by first striking Russian logistics and then forcing the Russians to retreat before being encircled. But Kherson can be different.

Ukraine has long been targeting fuel and ammunition depots in the hope that Russian forces will flee east across the Dnieper River, but that has not happened yet.

Military strategy experts predict that the city's symbolic importance may make Russia more willing to fight for Kherson than in other Ukrainian offensives.

- If the Russians want to fight for Kherson and are prepared to sacrifice units, they can make it very difficult, says Phillips O'Brien.

https://omni.se/senaste

Seems to me that the best strategy would be to avoid a major battle in the city and keep the pressure on.

 

[SandisLL]

Seems to me that the best strategy would be to avoid a major battle in the city and keep the pressure on.

Yeah.
Battles in cities if defenders are well motivated and equipped...isn't good thing for attacking forces....

Ruins...buildings. basements....different wrecks...etc.
A lot of fights in cities are in range even from some 30 meters till 2000 m from opponents...

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[kiley_sean]

Echo chamber

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[SandisLL]

EU had transfered ukr 2 b....
This is this month transfer.
And looks that agreed to gave next 3 b pack and also for next year plan is allocate 1,5 b each month ....
Stuff for 490 000 000 for weapons already is signed ...

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Btw maybe someone should tell them that better they had allocated more $ for weapons in leu of lesser money transfers....


IMHO better for ukr had been EU had decided for package like 1b for weapons and 0,5b money transfers.
Not these 1,5b money portions....

 

[aries]

So, NATO should enter a war with Russia over Ukraine which is not part of NATO. Once said war starts, Ukraine will be irrelevant. It will really be a US vs Russia war. The US makes up 75% of NATO, the other European countries will only get involved if the US gets involved. You are willing to roll-the-dice on a nuclear conflict? If it goes nuclear, no one will come out the victor. Least of which Ukraine.

It's pretty clear that the US and it's allies could annihilate Russia in pretty short order. The only possible repercussion is the 'nuclear' threat which is most certainly a bluff. But it would save 10's of thousands of lives, 100's of Billions in rebuilding Ukraine, prevent millions potentially starving to death and massively improve the global economic crisis over night. And Putin would be out on his ears.

Yes the rest of NATO would want the US to lead but I've never seen the rest of NATO so resolute about any one issue. This isn't some Iraq invasion built on a flaky WMD claim or 'peacekeeping' in Afghanistan. I don't know the numbers but I've heard (from serving and ex-soldiers) there is quite a sizeable number of British soldiers going AWOL to help in Ukraine as well as many ex-soldiers. The British media are burying it though. I bet it's not just British soldiers either. The European arm of NATO now fully acknowledge where the biggest most prevalent threat lies, let them do much of the heavy lifting to gain some confidence dealing with their main enemy. As long as NATO sticks to pushing Russia out of Ukraine, there will be no risk of nuclear threat.

Everybody is now aware that NATO would decimate Russian forces, including Putin. Even the Russian media pundits openly admit it. He's extremely concerned that NATO will come for him in Russia. As long as it's clear they just get out of Ukraine, and we aren't invading Russia, no one is using nukes. It would just be suicide for Putin. And he does not seem suicidal to me since he's doing everything in his power to stay alive. I've seen asthmatic pensioners less afraid of catching covid than Putin.

 

[SandisLL]

This month Ukr had get from IMF 1,3b loan.
Looks that they have talks about possible next portion this year 1,3-1,4b....


Looks that they doesn't want that Ukr will admit de facto situation : state treasury default....

Today ofc default doesn't makes sense cosnew supermpire is in creating phase. Superempire from Lisbon till Vladivostok.

Lines: Lisbon-Greenland 》》》till Vladivostok.
And then after this further.

Real ambitions for some large nationalists% are to be with time to be world hegemony.