International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

[Cole train]

Russians had tank footage that was later proven to have been done outside of the combat theater and it was firing on a building that was not occupied. They believed it was done as propaganda for Russian media.

Happens on both sides in this war

Either way from vids i posted hostomel is real by 100 percent.

And i would declare 2nd one as well since camera guy moves like they in combat (constantly behind troops or in cover) not to mention peoole are taking fire , guy gets hit in first 5 secs

 

[Fox by the Sea]

How are you trying to make this sound like I want the US to be a communist state? We have enough propaganda bleeding into our culture to impact everyone's daily lives. They spend millions and millions if not billions each year trying to upend our way of life. I called this a secret war even back in the 90's.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/giacom...ctioned-russian-billionaires/?sh=2a1ab0362e0f

well you are trying to make it an authoritarian, controlling state.
we don't like the news? it's propaganda!
yeah, let all news come from the DoD. surely they will always tell the truth.
this is how authoritarian control creeps in.

and i don't see how a list of rich russians buying houses in america is relevant.

 

[PEB]

Happens on both sides in this war

Either way from vids i posted hostomel is real by 100 percent.

And i would declare 2nd one as well since camera guy moves like they in combat (constantly behind troops or in cover) not to mention peoole are taking fire , guy gets hit in first 5 secs

 

[AWilder]

shame

 

[hitcher]

Really you are dreaming that you might " hurt " me with posts like this in MMA forum's enetertainment section?
You are delusional cos you made fun for me for free.
For me easily is to see that you are just random pro Kremlin oriented nazi and terrorism supporter, hating west and thinking that Satan will not get your body and soul for timeframe till end of universe.
Satan is playing with your mind and will get your soul and...body too...btw...

Be happy till this hour will come and entertain yourself with trolling ...Good if you at least are getting paycheck for being Satan's property...
At least something as bonus today?

Bro you are the one trolling and derailing the thread all the time. If you can dish it out but not take it, go somewhere else.

You know what: If you are actually really handicapped in real life, I am sorry. But you gotta stop calling everyone a Russian you disagree with. If you keep calling everyone a Russian they are going to respond. Odds are you are not going to like their response.

 

[Cid]

80,000 according to the Department of Defense, and we all know American Intelligence is infallible and never lies. (Never mind that number is higher than the total professional component of the Russian ground forces and up 3 times the number of casualties as the total number of troops Russia had committed in Feb if u consider a 3-1 ratio of dead to wounded as standard)

In reality we will not get a realistic number on casualties of this war for many years after the fact, and will probably never get an accurate estimate of Ukrainian casualties for political purposes.

All we really know for sure 90% of the loses inflicted by both sides are a result of artillery exchanges (from data gathered in similar conflicts over the last 70 years) and Russia expends between 15 and 20 shells/rockets for every 1 the Ukrainians do.

DOD isn't saying 80,000 dead. Not even Ukraine is saying that much.

80k casualties maybe.

 

[Strychnine]

Anyone know a somewhat accurate # of how many Russian troops have been killed so far? I googled it but the internet is all over the fucking place, as usual.

We'll likely never know the exact number. I would hazard that the number from Russia would be the under, the numbers from Ukraine would be the over, and the numbers from the U.S./Britian would be middle-Ish.

 

[AWilder]

crazy

 

[Blayt7hh]

80,000 according to the Department of Defense, and we all know American Intelligence is infallible and never lies. (Never mind that number is higher than the total professional component of the Russian ground forces and up 3 times the number of casualties as the total number of troops Russia had committed in Feb if u consider a 3-1 ratio of dead to wounded as standard)

In reality we will not get a realistic number on casualties of this war for many years after the fact, and will probably never get an accurate estimate of Ukrainian casualties for political purposes.

All we really know for sure 90% of the loses inflicted by both sides are a result of artillery exchanges (from data gathered in similar conflicts over the last 70 years) and Russia expends between 15 and 20 shells/rockets for every 1 the Ukrainians do.

Yeah does not seem logical at all

Rus had about 200k troops there at start so you saying potentially every 4th guy has been killed.

(Number might be 200k to 300k due to volunteers now)

The pentagon was estimating 80k casualties. Casualties doesn’t mean dead, it means dead or wounded. Of that they were estimating 15-20k dead. They might be wrong on the numbers, but they aren’t lying about them. That’s their best estimate.

Those numbers could be real given the scale and type of war that’s playing out. If it is true then yes Russia would have had to have significantly plussed up their numbers. I believe the estimate of the initial invasion was around 300k, and 80k taken out of action would not be sustainable.

 

[SandisLL]

We'll likely never know the exact number. .

I agree.
According Russia's rulers DPR and LDPR aren't Russia's military....AFIAK Wagner meat too...aren't.
So no need for MOD of Russia even to count them for reports.
+ they had banned to disclose numbers...
Ukr too had banned....

How Ukr or Russia might precisely count casualities in opponent's side if there is some longer range fire exchange?
Usually it isn't possible ...

For example: Grad launcher usually does have 40 missiles...with range 25-30 km and might be more.
There easily might happen that from these 40 missiles salvo ....no one had died..
Or maybe even 10 or more from just 1 missile had died...

Unless area isn't quickly captured after short fire exchange...it isn't easy to evalue...
+ vounded ppl might die later....
God knows...

 

[Blayt7hh]

80,000 according to the Department of Defense, and we all know American Intelligence is infallible and never lies. (Never mind that number is higher than the total professional component of the Russian ground forces and up 3 times the number of casualties as the total number of troops Russia had committed in Feb if u consider a 3-1 ratio of dead to wounded as standard)

In reality we will not get a realistic number on casualties of this war for many years after the fact, and will probably never get an accurate estimate of Ukrainian casualties for political purposes.

All we really know for sure 90% of the loses inflicted by both sides are a result of artillery exchanges (from data gathered in similar conflicts over the last 70 years) and Russia expends between 15 and 20 shells/rockets for every 1 the Ukrainians do.

You getting that number wrong on purpose, or are you just trying to feed the edgelords in here?

 

[Cole train]

The pentagon was estimating 80k casualties. Casualties doesn’t mean dead, it means dead or wounded. Of that they were estimating 15-20k dead. They might be wrong on the numbers, but they aren’t lying about them. That’s their best estimate.

Those numbers could be real given the scale and type of war that’s playing out. If it is true then yes Russia would have had to have significantly plussed up their numbers. I believe the estimate of the initial invasion was around 300k, and 80k taken out of action would not be sustainable.

Initial assault was 200k by our intelligence which would mean near 50 percent of initial group been kod (also 200k is about max rus can send without mobilization since entire country has 400k pro soldiers overall)

Seems still a bit high but will see

 

[Blayt7hh]

Initial assault was 200k by our intelligence which would mean near 50 percent of initial group been kod (also 200k is about max rus can send without mobilization since entire country has 400k pro soldiers overall)

Seems still a bit high but will see

400k professionals and I believe a million conscripts one active duty. It is high, but then again I guess that could be why they’ve effectively stalled out in their invasion

 

[Cole train]

400k professionals and I believe a million conscripts one active duty. It is high, but then again I guess that could be why they’ve effectively stalled out in their invasion

With volunteers right now i would figure its somewhere around 200k to 300k

Either way this conflict is about to last until next year

Kinda crazy to read messages in first threads

 

[PEB]

well you are trying to make it an authoritarian, controlling state.
we don't like the news? it's propaganda!
yeah, let all news come from the DoD. surely they will always tell the truth.
this is how authoritarian control creeps in.

and i don't see how a list of rich russians buying houses in america is relevant.

I would rather not see putin ball licking posts or why the Russian military would crush everyone on my facebook or how Russia the most powerful standing army in the world. All true posts before the Ukraine invasion. The amount of FUD and BS about how the US is going to be a failed state or that Russia will become the 2nd most powerful economy in the world behind China. How they use US media outlets to spread stuff like American Socialism is coming see post above or America experimenting on people to insert tracking markers in peoples bodies is why we don't want your COVID treatment. All true things but yeah let them spread BS.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I would rather not see putin ball licking posts or why the Russian military would crush everyone on my facebook or how Russia the most powerful standing army in the world. All true posts before the Ukraine invasion. The amount of FUD and BS about how the US is going to be a failed state or that Russia will become the 2nd most powerful economy in the world behind China. How they use US media outlets to spread stuff like American Socialism is coming see post above or America experimenting on people to insert tracking markers in peoples bodies is why we don't want your COVID treatment. All true things but yeah let them spread BS.

...how would you even get those posts on your fb? i am on fb for 12 years and have never seen anything like that. maybe you follow military pages or something. i thought you meant on forums.

 

[PEB]

...how would you even get those posts on your fb? i am on fb for 12 years and have never seen anything like that. maybe you follow military pages or something. i thought you meant on forums.

I see it all over the place even on Facebook shared all the time I get f'd up stuff like we thought we would recommend this story "Like I really want to see it". But also other social media outlets like Sherdog and others that are even EV related stuff.

Back to topic.

 

[PEB]

 

[Denter]

in most conflicts the wounded outnumber the dead. this number would mean there's also like 160 k wounded russians, which would make the casualty list higher than the entire army group. it's mickey mouse level disinfo. but DoD knows most people are ignorant as bricks so they don't care.
that's why a lot of people's impression of the war is like - dying and defeated russian army, led by cancer stricken putin, who's also a manlet, is close to being wiped out by glorious ukrainians.

The Ukranian casualties are probably very high at this point as well, considering the level of conscription they've been doing, and are also almost certainly significantly higher than the Russian casualties. They've essentially admitted this but of course we don't have published numbers for obvious reasons.

 

[Denter]

The pentagon was estimating 80k casualties. Casualties doesn’t mean dead, it means dead or wounded. Of that they were estimating 15-20k dead. They might be wrong on the numbers, but they aren’t lying about them. That’s their best estimate.

Those numbers could be real given the scale and type of war that’s playing out. If it is true then yes Russia would have had to have significantly plussed up their numbers. I believe the estimate of the initial invasion was around 300k, and 80k taken out of action would not be sustainable.

20k dead is probably a reasonable estimate.