International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

[Anewt]

Yeah I don't think car bombings are part of legal warfare. Have they figured out any of the specifics of this case and who was responsible?

Honestly I think regardless of the investigation ( I assume ) people are not going to believe any Russian sources on this. So I don't think anyone will ever accept the culprits ( even if Russia claims they found the truth )

If this guy ( the father ,) truly is putins " rasputin " do you not think this is about escalate shit in a horrible way?

Some have claimed its Russian security services itt. Very well could be. But once again... I don't think anything Russia claims about this will be accepted itt

Also

Props to @PEB for still considering non combatant Russians a invalid target and sad regardless the culprits.

Regardless of what statements she's made. My hats off for being consistent.

 

[DoomPatrol]

101st ABN DIV still got soldiers sleeping/living/working in asbestos lined buildings.

whole veterans being lost in stairwells for 3 weeks at a time being lost till they are stiff corpses sprouting dandelions and funny looking mushrooms … and THEN someone stumbles upon them…

Camp Lejune got shitty water pipes and sent out a memo telling joes not to drink the water.

units deploying with the last generation‘s TA50.

denying Vietnam Veterans claims regarding Agent Orange for 45 years.

But nah… let’s send a Billion to the Ukraine.

then duck a bill that gives our joes a foot hold on their future.

Ummm...

Who exactly do you think we need to be spending that money on our military to defend against? Talk to any actual informed veterans and they will be happy to tell you that Russia is our biggest threat. They've been on the opposite side as us for a long time now. They consider the West to be the enemy and have been participating in attacks against US troops for decades. I guess you forgot that Russia was part of the Republican claimed axis of evil before Trump.

There is no better way to spend military money than going to fight our actual enemy. Idiots want to talk about China like we don't have a huge bilateral economic interest in not going to war. There is no such conflict of interests with Russia. They see the West as their enemy and are actively trying to destroy our way of life.

You know what Russia wants? An isolated United States. What do you want? An isolated America. Do you not see how you are victim of their propaganda?

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Honestly I think regardless of the investigation ( I assume ) people are not going to believe any Russian sources on this. So I don't think anyone will ever accept the culprits ( even if Russia claims they found the truth )

If this guy ( the father ,) truly is putins " rasputin " do you not think this is about escalate shit in a horrible way?

Some have claimed its Russian security services itt. Very well could be. But once again... I don't think anything Russia claims about this will be accepted itt

Also

Props to @PEB for still considering non combatant Russians a invalid target and sad regardless the culprits.

Regardless of what statements she's made. My hats off for being consistent.

Yeah I don't think Russia has any credibility left. This might have something to do with the victim's warmongering but I haven't seen anything to suggest Ukraine as a government was responsible.

 

[PEB]

 

[Anewt]

Yeah I don't think Russia has any credibility left. This might have something to do with the victim's warmongering but I haven't seen anything to suggest Ukraine as a government was responsible.

Oh I understand your point of view. I highly doubt it was authorised by Ukrainian government myself. I think a lot of military units have had free reign ( see foriegn legions ) . I'm quite sure there's a lot of units Like that now . But you're correct. There's no tie to " Ukraine government " at all that I'm aware off.

My point has always been.. the but Russia did it is a terrible perspective imo. My gripe is the lording of false morality that occurs constantly in here. Especially with the Contradictions.

For fucks sake one guy constantly sites made up mod statements. He's never reprimanded. Now we have chuckle heads defending the death of a journalist. Because Russia bad. It shows me how dehumanised Russian people are. Shits about to get faaar more ugly imo.

 

[SandisLL]

Oh no not north Korea Iran and Russia... how ever will the west manage to prevail

Will you tell that Russia doesn't cooperate with Iran...
First reality check: Russia had bult in Iran Bushehr nuclear power plant with huge reactor, like one from these 6 installed in Zaporozia nuclear power plant...

With this Russia actually had provided Iran with excuse why they need uranium enrichment factories!
Despite reality that Russia is willing to sell ready to use manufactured in Russia nuclear fuel rods for VVER type reactors and ofc also to to process spent fuel...
Iran had claimed that they want to enrich uranium in Iran...
While reactor grade enrichement usually is just 1,9-4,4-5% LEU ( in U235 )...and isn't directly usable as weapon's part....
It is still more than natural uranium with 0,71-0,72 % U235 content...
So more usable feedstock for clandestine enrichment plant for nukes to get 85-96% in U235 enriched uranium....
If uranium already enriched till LEU grade.
More enriched feedstock = you faster will get weapons grade uranium if you will decide...

Later I will post what stuff of assistance Kremlin had provided to North Korea....

 

[Denter]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62621509

It is thought that her father, the Russian philosopher Alexander Dugin who is known as "Putin's brain," may have been the intended target of the attack.

Mr Dugin is a prominent ultra-nationalist ideologue who is believed to be close to the Russian president.

According to Russian media outlet 112, the pair were due to travel back from an event on Saturday evening in the same car before Mr Dugin made the decision to travel separately from his daughter at the last minute.

Despite not holding an official position in government, Ms Dugina's father is a close ally of the Russian president and has even been branded "Putin's Rasputin".

The philosopher's daughter, Darya Dugina, was herself a prominent journalist who vocally supported the invasion of Ukraine.

Dugin is not an ultra nationalist.

 

[Xuh]

Dugin is not an ultra nationalist.

He's not "Putin's brain" or even further - "closest ally" (as UK media are calling him, to make justifying blowing up his daughter more palatable for our public) either. In fact I've read he's never even met Putin.

 

[Rational Poster]

Dugin is not an ultra nationalist.

He's an eurasian fascist.

 

[AWilder]

Anyhow. Irrelevant shit. Interested to see how many In here condone the killing of journalists

Dugina is a journalist now?

 

[LHWBelt]

Oh no not north Korea Iran and Russia... how ever will the west manage to prevail

I mean if china's in that mix too thats pretty no bueno.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Dugin is not an ultra nationalist.

We discussed the territories in Ukraine being 'unwinnable', but boy did this escalate quickly...

It's not just potentially occupied territories in another country that Putin has destabilised, Russia itself is now paying a heavy, heavy price for Putin's unwinnable war.

Terrible, and RIP to the young woman, this is totally out of hand at this point. Russian oligarchs and war mongers are no longer safe anywhere by the looks of it.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Oh I understand your point of view. I highly doubt it was authorised by Ukrainian government myself. I think a lot of military units have had free reign ( see foriegn legions ) . I'm quite sure there's a lot of units Like that now . But you're correct. There's no tie to " Ukraine government " at all that I'm aware off.

My point has always been.. the but Russia did it is a terrible perspective imo. My gripe is the lording of false morality that occurs constantly in here. Especially with the Contradictions.

For fucks sake one guy constantly sites made up mod statements. He's never reprimanded. Now we have chuckle heads defending the death of a journalist. Because Russia bad. It shows me how dehumanised Russian people are. Shits about to get faaar more ugly imo.

I don't think you can say she's just a journalist that represents the average Russian though. If she was involved in pushing Russian propaganda supporting their attack on Ukraine then there are many that won't shed a tear over this.

 

[Strychnine]

I could easily counter argue that point by saying all those billions of dollars should be spent on a proper mental health system to prevent mass shootings in the US. There is zero justification for our money going to foreign wars when we have our own to deal with right here at home

Come on now. Every single time someone in a leadership position in the U.S. says what you're saying about mental health or gun control, the next word out of the opposition is "Socialist!"

And the lemmings fall in line against their own best interests.

Ukraine has a right to exist and go forward as they see fit. Russia wanted Ukraine and Ukraine did not want to go with Russia but to Europe/The West.

Money well spent in the defense of a sovereign nation that wants to choose freedom over oligarchy.

 

[SanchoMF]

Dugin is not an ultra nationalist.

Well, he's definitely a nationalist and hard-liner at that.. Pan-Eurasian fascist?

 

[KnightTemplar]

If this was a Ukrainian operation, it should make the Russian elite very nervous indeed. The wrong person was killed, but a unit still managed to get into Russia and plant the bomb on a car belonging to someone who should have had significant personal security. And so far, the FSB etc can't find any trace of those responsible.

 

[Strychnine]

If this was a Ukrainian operation, it should make the Russian elite very nervous indeed. The wrong person was killed, but a unit still managed to get into Russia and plant the bomb on a car belonging to someone who should have had significant personal security. And so far, the FSB etc can't find any trace of those responsible.

Solid take.

I'm saddened that this young woman was murdered, and it should've never happened. Pres. Putin is the catalyst for ALL OF THIS. No invasion of Ukraine? No civilians getting slaughtered.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Solid take.

I'm saddened that this young woman was murdered, and it should've never happened. Pres. Putin is the catalyst for ALL OF THIS. No invasion of Ukraine? No civilians getting slaughtered.

It's clear that Russians dying in Ukraine is of no concern to Putin.

He doesn't give a damn.

But I bet he gives a damn about this.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Solid take.

I'm saddened that this young woman was murdered, and it should've never happened. Pres. Putin is the catalyst for ALL OF THIS. No invasion of Ukraine? No civilians getting slaughtered.

I suspect one effect of this will be Putin asking some very pointed questions of the FSB. One of their primary roles is internal security. There is no way assassins should be able to get close to senior Russian officials. Apparently, several high ranking FSB officers have already been purged over their poor performance regarding gathering intelligence before and during the invasion of the Ukraine. This won't help their reputation.

Killing a high value target in a hostile country is one of the most difficult intelligence/special forces operations to carry out. The Israeli's have done it in Iran. Russia has carried out assassination in several countries, including the UK. The CIA had the Phoenix Program during the Vietnam War, but failed miserably to kill Castro in Cuba. If the Ukrainians did indeed carry out this bombing, it shows a world class level of professionalism.

 

[MTT]

He had plenty of points regarding the money spent . The population size. The issues In usa that could be fixed with cash. You just focused on the one bit to ignore the rest. You were already dismissing him and telling him to vote before the watch comment btw


Btw I guess he's referring this

Volodymyr Zelensky’s Watch Collection
While running for President and during the presidency, Volodymyr Zelensky has received expensive gifts from wealthy businessmen and oligarchs. Below are a few of the watches in Zelensky’s collection.

• Chopard – $105,000 USD
• Franck Muller – $250,000 USD
• Roger Dubuis – $260,000 USD
• Patek Philippe – $400,000 USD
• Breguet & Fils – $365,000 USD
• F.P Journe – $190,000 USD

Funnily enough he does have a million dollar watch collection to my amusement lol

Well it's claimed. Who really cares tho it is irrelevant.

https://www.occrp.org/en/the-pandor...s-of-ukrainian-president-and-his-inner-circle

Interesting read tho. ( was prior to the invasion )

You chose to ignore telling him a fair point. His opinion is viable but I think shortsighted as to why many nations are standing behind Ukraine. You're working yourself into a tizzy when I disengage a discussion after it devolves into silly speculation over a watch collection. Next time, I will be clear in what I am dismissing. Besides, Zelensky cares only about amassing olive drab t-shirts.