International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

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MTT said:
I don't know what you're on about but claiming taxpayers fund Zelensky's watch collection is the definition of unsubstantiated hyperbole. Russia as a potential threat to the USA is up for debate. The debate is destroyed when someone reverts to speculation over a Rolex collection with zero basis in reality.
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How, on earth, is it up for debate? We’ve got a neutered president and Putin still can’t make a move other than a half assed limped dick move on, what was, a highly corrupt country right up until they started getting billions from the US. Now they’re freedom fighters. Gee golly wizz doesn’t that sound familiar.

Btw I was being dishonest, most of his watches are not Rolex’s. Reportedly. Allegedly.
 
Dan O said:
Russia is not, and has not, been a threat to America in decades. The state of mental health in the country currently is. That’s where the tax payer dollars should go to. Not your boys Zs million dollar watch collection. Are you insane ?
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I know it's off topic, but if you think dumping money into mental health services will make much of a difference you're off base imo. The mental health problems are caused by poverty, education systems, hyper competition, lack of safety net, consumerism etc. Pump money into mental health services and you're just paying for bigger and better sticking plasters rather than addressing the knife wielding capitalists.

You'd need to reform your society to address the issue and there's ZERO dollars available for that because everyone who could give a fuck, doesn't, because they're paid not to.
 
Phlog said:
I know it's off topic, but if you think dumping money into mental health services will make much of a difference you're off base imo. The mental health problems are caused by poverty, education systems, hyper competition, lack of safety net, consumerism etc. Pump money into mental health services and you're just paying for bigger and better sticking plasters rather than addressing the knife wielding capitalists.

You'd need to reform your society to address the issue and there's ZERO dollars available for that because everyone who could give a fuck, doesn't, because they're paid not to.
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Cant say I disagree
 
Dan O said:
Russia is not, and has not, been a threat to America in decades. The state of mental health in the country currently is. That’s where the tax payer dollars should go to. Not your boys Zs million dollar watch collection. Are you insane ?
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False, Russia is an enemy of the west. Their own words and actions contradict you. Not. to mention thay have threatened the entire planet with nuclear war.

Money well spent
 
calavera2 said:
False, Russia is an enemy of the west. Their own words and actions contradict you. Not. to mention thay have threatened the entire planet with nuclear war.

Money well spent
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And yet they can’t even beat down a weak neighbor. We’re very scared. Come on
 
MTT said:
I don't know what you're on about but claiming taxpayers fund Zelensky's watch collection is the definition of unsubstantiated hyperbole. Russia as a potential threat to the USA is up for debate. The debate is destroyed when someone reverts to speculation over a Rolex collection with zero basis in reality.
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He had plenty of points regarding the money spent . The population size. The issues In usa that could be fixed with cash. You just focused on the one bit to ignore the rest. You were already dismissing him and telling him to vote before the watch comment btw


Btw I guess he's referring this

Volodymyr Zelensky’s Watch Collection
While running for President and during the presidency, Volodymyr Zelensky has received expensive gifts from wealthy businessmen and oligarchs. Below are a few of the watches in Zelensky’s collection.

  • Chopard – $105,000 USD
  • Franck Muller – $250,000 USD
  • Roger Dubuis – $260,000 USD
  • Patek Philippe – $400,000 USD
  • Breguet & Fils – $365,000 USD
  • F.P Journe – $190,000 USD
Funnily enough he does have a million dollar watch collection to my amusement lol

Well it's claimed. Who really cares tho it is irrelevant.

https://www.occrp.org/en/the-pandor...s-of-ukrainian-president-and-his-inner-circle

Interesting read tho. ( was prior to the invasion )
 
Anyhow. Irrelevant shit. Interested to see how many In here condone the killing of journalists
 
calavera2 said:
With US support, the Ukrainian willingness to defend their country, and some luck the Russians will fail.

That is a good thing for the world. Russian should be dismantled again.
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I think you mean the bloc should be dismantled again. But that doesn’t exist anymore
 
HOLA said:
Dugin also speaks English, and has been interviewed by some American media.

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Dugin has been able to sell himself as some sort of galactic brain mainly to the western audiences, I highly doubt he is taken seriously by Kremlin.
My prediction: he was targeted by one of the Russian security cliques.
 
MTT said:
. Russia as a potential threat to the USA is up for debate. .
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Russia IS without any doubts serious geopolitical and economical threat for U.S and Weestern europe....
This is easily to see and they heavily are working in all directions...with all methods, also by using westerners living in U.S and europe....
Including politicians.....
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Main method is to discredit Russia's opponents and also western politicians not comfortable for Russia.
Also ofc to dicredit nations and countries Russia wants to submit...
All methods there are good for them...
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To do hybrid war and espionage...ofc..
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Encourage western countries to make economical decisions comfortable for...Russia....
Classic examples are Brexit and Germany put on Russia's gazprom natural gas needle, closing nuclear power plants and crying how bad is local peat and coal...
Vuala and Gerhard even get after this high post in...Gazprom...
Angela...lol...
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All this stuff with anti mining and anti nuclear activists in europe too is deeply suspicious cos against Gazprom gas they doesn't protest at all...
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Russia also is improving relationships with North Korea and Iran....

While Russia alone not likely will attack U.S directly with military force, they might fill europe with refugees and damage economies in countries essential for U.S businesses....
Because sorry, all this " waste of money " help to ukr is piece of small cake if even just to compare with xxxb U.S is getting from europe for services and software licenses alone....

/// plus if russia will sumbit Ukraine, Moldova and Azerbaijan + form alliance with Iran and North Korea, it will be not good for U.S and Western europe at all.

And there isn"t necessity to make official contract about alliance....just to promise Iran and North Korrea to help put west on knees....
 
Oh no not north Korea Iran and Russia... how ever will the west manage to prevail
 
LangfordBarrow said:
Well we know Putin does and any dissidents too.
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Without a doubt. And Russia is a utter cunt along with Putin..

Hence the action should be decried as heinous... right? Or do we only care when it's Russia doing it?
 
Anewt said:
Without a doubt. And Russia is a utter cunt along with Putin..

Hence the action should be decried as heinous... right? Or do we only care when it's Russia doing it?
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Yeah I don't think car bombings are part of legal warfare. Have they figured out any of the specifics of this case and who was responsible?
 
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