International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

[Ruprecht]

There is no ideological consistency in contrarianism, which itself is definitely not right wing exclusive.

Definitely not, but there's a real lack of the sort of anti-GMO, anti-vax, anti-G20, anti-corporate, anti-nuclear, vegan, alternative lifestyle, neo-hippies you get taking up left wing contrarianism here on Sherdog.
Unsurprisingly, since while they used to be mostly Uni students, at least here in Oz they seem to be mostly middle-aged suburban housewives these days.
I would say it's far and away right-wing dominated at the moment though. Part of the global trend in populist nationalism. As was the case when Hofstadter penned his essay.

 

[SandisLL]

While Taiwan?
They always will use bullying as political thing for internal propaganda and external propagand too.
While all they might get from Taiwan is ....mainly just elite level chips production machines...and this will be worth only IF these will be in working condition...not after shelling with missiles__

 

[SandisLL]

Definitely not, but there's a real lack of the sort of anti-GMO, anti-vax, anti-G20, anti-corporate, anti-nuclear, vegan, alternative lifestyle, neo-hippies you get taking up left wing contrarianism here on Sherdog.
Unsurprisingly, since while they used to be mostly Uni students, at least here in Oz they seem to be mostly middle-aged suburban housewives these days.

We now have a lot of anti wax in europe, even if these anti wax are pro U.S oriented politically...then happens....

Why? Cos if it is Covid vaccine, sadly it is proved by real life that vaccine doesn't warrant anything.
Why? If vaccinated ppl still are getting covid and not some plebs but doctors, teachers, politicians and businessmans etc...About vaccines for polio or rabies...they aren't anti vax...

It is dangerous to oppress anti wax too much now cos a lot of them are pro western oriented ...just sceptic about new unproven covid vaccine boom...for a reason.

 

[SandisLL]

I too on paper had covid...
Like nothing special but this was with all these vaccines.
Nothing really bad, just this sitting at home.
After 2 pfizer shots and with valid holy certificate...
I'm not sure had I covid or no...lab paper is lab paper...

 

[PEB]

 

[Ruprecht]

We now have a lot of anti wax in europe, even if these anti wax are pro U.S oriented politically...then happens....

Why? Cos if it is Covid vaccine, sadly it is proved by real life that vaccine doesn't warrant anything.
Why? If vaccinated ppl still are getting covid and not some plebs but doctors, teachers, politicians and businessmans etc...About vaccines for polio or rabies...they aren't anti vax...

It is dangerous to oppress anti wax too much now cos a lot of them are pro western oriented ...just sceptic about new unproven covid vaccine boom...for a reason.

It's not a matter of oppressing anyone. Kneejerk reactions against mainstream narratives don't actually provide anything worthwhile, regardless of what specific form that contrarianism takes.
Irrespective of political orientation.
For instance I'm not going to give neo-hippies a pass on the conspiratorial bullshit they spout about GMOs, just because I agree with the basic principles of environmental conservation.
Likewise I wouldn't coddle anti-vaxxers just because they happen to believe in Ukraine's right to independence and self determination.

 

[SandisLL]

It's not a matter of oppressing anyone. Kneejerk reactions against mainstream narratives don't actually provide anything worthwhile, regardless of what specific form that contrarianism takes.
Regardless of political orientation.
For instance I'm not going to give neo-hippies a pass on the conspiratorial bullshit they spout about GMOs, just because I agree with the basic principles of environmental conservation.
Likewise I wouldn't coddle anti-vaxxers just because they happen to believe in Ukraine's right to independence and self determination.

This suff sadly isn't about Ukraine.
If Ukr will lift border control...
The same Germany and Austria etc will get as bare minimum 3X more refugees than they does have now....
And majority of them most likely will be males...

And about coddling anti waxeers....
I will just be happy on paper " work remotely " , thanks to God even electronically signed documents now does exist...

Also without hestitation will agree to do lay offs despite these will be super waxers...

Monkeypox etc too will come....

 

[AWilder]

Good thread and this last bit can apply to some other cultists.


Check out this thread at Thread Reader App. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1568960358127226882.html

And I mentioned this privately to some friends yesterday but you will see the Russian propagandists and shills start accusing Ukrainians of war crimes and slaughtering Russians, children, etc.

This will be the new deflection and method to gain sympathy from retards for the invaders.

 

[SandisLL]

No one from " friends " will care about Ukr...they are from them not more interesting than some small tribe in Zaire or Zimbabwe...nothing more...

Ukr ofc is notable wheat exporter etc but not for europe....

Question is about reality: this Special operation is just next small step from special operations since 1992 th...
And now it isn't even just about re establish former Warshaw block to be under moscow...
Ideology now is more dangerous than USSR had...
Superempire from Lisbon till Vladivostok
...
According to Dugin's bud authored book where Dugin was co author even more: cover illustration was areas from Portugal till Greenland and incl U.K...painted in Red...till Vladivostok.
Empire that Should be...1997 th.
Dugin was co author...

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Looks like rus got a lot of stuff out of izium

Not good tactically for ukr since they can regrouped

The idea was to kick Russians out without fighting them if possible.

Surround and surge and they'll have no option but to retreat.

 

[PEB]

HA HA

Proof Russians are right that Ukrainian soldiers are super soldiers using super soldier serum.

 

[James Bomb]

Somebody check on Tucker…

 

[MTT]

Looks like rus got a lot of stuff out of izium

Not good tactically for ukr since they can regrouped

Multiple videos of the large columns that were evacuated. However, they left a lot of heavy equipment behind. An incredible amount of armor.

Russia should be negotiating for the lives of its troops in the Kherson region.

 

[AWilder]

This, 100%

 

[Cole train]

Ukr at north border

 

[Limbo Pete]

This, 100%

 

[Strychnine]

No idea, could’ve been any of the heavy anti tank weapons UA is using.

Too small for an RPG or LAW. I'm guessing...
SMAW
Gustav
AT-4?

 

[MeatheadMike]

I honestly believe Russia will use tactical nukes to stop an invasion of Crimea It won't be nice, but I really doubt Ukraine will risk it

IIR their military doctrine allows for nukes to be used only if they are attacked by WMDs or if there is an existential threat to Russia with conventional weapons.

So I don't think an invasion of Crimea would officially be criteria to authorize nuclear strikes... but of course who knows if that would actually be followed or what they would do, as it would likely be an existential threat to Putin's reign.

 

[Strychnine]

Man oh man, did Russia ever have the entire world bamboozled with their alleged military might.
That author, in particular, was extra super bamboozled

I will FREELY admit that they had me bamboozled, hoodwinked, and fooled! I thought that Pres. Zelensky was crazy not to be evacuated when it kicked off, but he knew something that we didn't.

The resolve of the Ukrainians fighting for their home.

When we now see how much GRAFT is baked into the Russian military, there's no way they were going to end this quickly and now the tide has turned against them.

They couldn't see the pitfalls. They weren't prepared.

 

[SandisLL]

RPG 7 for example does have multiple types of ammo.
One is bore caliber 40 mm...
Another this casual 93? mm single stage shaped charge grenade...ususally with copper liner...

Next: 105 mm dual stage shaped charge round...with precussor stage and extended probe.
It is flying slower and does have shorter range while 1 st or 2 nd gen reactive armour is almost useless against this + this also enchances penteration against RHA due to both factors...
One is cos " extended probe " and next cos tandem shaped charge...

Most horrible weapon RPG-7 might launch is short range 105 mm thermobaric grenade...


Tanks are relatively vulnerable..depends from range, ammo and angles...
The same USSR late era tanks like upgraded T72..m1988 th versions.
It is not easy to tell that it will be defeated if will be hit with 125 mm APFSDs arrow from DU. If will be hit in best armed parts of turret's front...

While from side... in some areas with 30 mm autocannon with good ammo might had been bah bah...
Gun's mask too was more weak ofc...