International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8
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I don't know if he's a bad negotiator... rather... Russia quite literally does the opposite of what it says at the table. In 2014, they lied every step of the way into Crimea. He's likely just a guard dog that does what he's told.
That he's offering this olive branch says to me that Putin is curious to know if Ukraine and the West is content to cease now and redraw the borders. This would show weakness and lack of confidence in Ukraine following this offensive.
The best response to Putin is with power and force. He has no respect for diplomacy unless the financial and political leverage is overwhelming and right now, they're not. Tell him to go home because Ukraine is only getting started - indicate we all know it's only a matter of time before Russia's 20k troops in the Kherson region (I've seen estimates of 50-70k) are cut off from Crimea and the Russian border.
When Putin sends Lavrov to truly negotiate and end to the conflict, it will be in secret, quiet and through backchannels.
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Incredible map.
Other than the utter capitulation of Russian forces in the North, look at the blue sections in the South.
I don't think Ukraine ever had this kind of success in the South?
Let's hope Kherson surrenders, and then it's basically game over for Putin's attempts to take Ukraine.
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-co...mobilization-kharkiv-counteroffensive-1741993
Not sure if this has been shared, but it's an article about Russian 'Vostok' battalion commander Alexander Khodakovsky, who says general mobilisation will not help.
"I have fewer people than I would like—but the main difficulty I have is not in this, but in the fact that sometimes I cannot find the enemy's positions from which they are hitting us," he added. "If suddenly I can, then I don't have enough range to fire at them, or I don't have enough ammo."
The prominent commander warned that if Putin were to eventually announce a general mobilization, the move will serve as a "powerful blow" to the country, "which it will not withstand."
In other words, the word from the front line is that general mobilisation will be the death knell for Putin.
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Negotiations with Russia are a distraction while they take what they want by force.
This is what the 'Ukraine should surrender' gang didn't ever understand from the outset.
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What part of the post did you not understand?
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I think you misunderstood me a little bit. I was saying rus is simply not using any nukes on ukrainian soil for a million reasons under any circumstances whatsoever. It is stupid to even come up with such an idea.
If NATO was to be involved physcially, it would cause direct confrontation between rus army and NATO forces. And in case of maximal escalation and eventual use of nuclear weapons, the target location would be crowded western european centres. NATO knowing it didn't want to risk anything, decided to stay sideways and be a passive helper.
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Incredible map.
Other than the utter capitulation of Russian forces in the North, look at the blue sections in the South.
I don't think Ukraine ever had this kind of success in the South?
Let's hope Kherson surrenders, and then it's basically game over for Putin's attempts to take Ukraine.
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-co...mobilization-kharkiv-counteroffensive-1741993
Not sure if this has been shared, but it's an article about Russian 'Vostok' battalion commander Alexander Khodakovsky, who says general mobilisation will not help.
"I have fewer people than I would like—but the main difficulty I have is not in this, but in the fact that sometimes I cannot find the enemy's positions from which they are hitting us," he added. "If suddenly I can, then I don't have enough range to fire at them, or I don't have enough ammo."
The prominent commander warned that if Putin were to eventually announce a general mobilization, the move will serve as a "powerful blow" to the country, "which it will not withstand."
In other words, the word from the front line is that general mobilisation will be the death knell for Putin.
Kherson is gonna be a lot harder to take do to the terrian which is basically Flat field with zero cover.
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Ok, so what's the over/under on Putin managing to stay in power until 2023?
Putin believed to have cancelled meetings and fled Moscow for his Sochi mansion
https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/09/...etings-and-fled-moscow-for-his-sochi-mansion/
Putin believed to have cancelled meetings and fled Moscow for his Sochi mansion
https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/09/...etings-and-fled-moscow-for-his-sochi-mansion/
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Depending on what source you're reading, Ukraine are saying Kherson is encircled and there seems to be growing rumours that negotiations are being considered.
If that's the case, surely it's negotiating the terms of surrender?
Also, based on what Khodakovsky was saying, Russia can't hit Ukrainian targets due to range. You're a weapons man, doesn't that suggest Kherson could very easily fall?
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They took Kherson quickly using mechanized infantry and armor at the same time they stalled out in Kiev. The assault on Kiev was a total blunder at every level. It's funny they tried to pass it off as a "feint."
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They took Kherson due to treason.
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Ok, so what's the over/under on Putin managing to stay in power until 2023?
Putin believed to have cancelled meetings and fled Moscow for his Sochi mansion
https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/09/...etings-and-fled-moscow-for-his-sochi-mansion/
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Ok, so what's the over/under on Putin managing to stay in power until 2023?
Putin believed to have cancelled meetings and fled Moscow for his Sochi mansion
https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/09/...etings-and-fled-moscow-for-his-sochi-mansion/
Ive said this a few times but he reminds me of Hitler in WW2 and he sees a losing battle but doesnt give a shit, his own country and people will pay the price for his insanity. And unless he get's taken out Russia will burn...
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Think that kherson encircled thing is bs, there would be photos of villages in surrounding areas being captured
its heavily fortified now, not to mention i think rus has best troops there since they had most success in south, they were not that far from mykolaev before western tech kicked in
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Would it be that hard to encircle Kherson if the troops are in the city?
There basically isn't an operational bridge in or out, so it's pontoon ferries at the ready.
I don't know how difficult it would be to encircle a city that's been cut off, and we're supposedly in a black out regarding information.
If you look at how crazy fast the North fell, who knows.
I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying depending which source you choose, that's a narrative. You could be right, you might be about to be surprised.
And you're DEFINITELY going to be surprised if you watch Tucker Carlson
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As in soldiers folded?
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Would it be that hard to encircle Kherson if the troops are in the city?
There basically isn't an operational bridge in or out, so it's pontoon ferries at the ready.
I don't know how difficult it would be to encircle a city that's been cut off, and we're supposedly in a black out regarding information.
If you look at how crazy fast the North fell, who knows.
I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying depending which source you choose, that's a narrative. You could be right, you might be about to be surprised.
And you're DEFINITELY going to be surprised if you watch Tucker Carlson
Dont know who tucker is lol
Encirclement is fine but it will tie up a lot of manpower for long time and i got no clue if ukr can afford that so who knows lol.
But generally north ukr has some god of war as commander since they fought off russians from harkov 2 times in first months when it was heaviest fighting spot before mariupol while south has been the weak side for ukr since day one
Guess we will see
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Tucker's an American news clown on Fox that thinks the war is seconds away from ending with a Russian victory <45>
We'll see.
The smart money is that the conflict rumbles on for a lot longer.
Putin probably isn't toast just yet, but long term I think he is - Russia aren't defeated just yet, but long term I think they are - they'll be lucky to escape with Crimea.
Again, though, IF Kherson falls, it's pretty much game over, and everything stays on the table including Putin's resignation. Meanwhile, on to Mariupol for Ukraine.
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