International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

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Yes, they were racing against time, unlike Ukraine.



Cool, that doesn't changes the fact that Ukraine can wipe out in days what it took Russia months to achieve. Crimea isn't under risk of an Ukranian blitzkrieg indeed, but it extremely vulnerable to attritition warfare.



You don't have to destroy a bridge to render it unusable to heavy traffic, the point is to make holding the peninsula be unsustainable.



All in due time, it has been what 8 years since the Ukrainians lost it, it could easily take 8 years to take it back, just make Russia spend billions upon billions on that piece of land.
I agree that a long term siege is Ukraine's best play for Crimea especially since it isn't costing them anything to shoot western weapons like the HIMARS at Russia. They can just keep getting more missiles from the U.S. especially now that the U.S. is ramping up production of weapons. That's kind of the whole point of the original post -- Crimea favors defense, so a siege rather than a storming is the way to go.
 
Really man? have you been living in a cave these last 2 months? Russian mass firepower doctrine was turned into shit once HIMARS came into the scene, they certainly can't do "last mile delivery" properly, which is why they had to bring bulk ammo to the frontline and why we got those massive explosion back in July-August.
The Russians thought that they had destroyed Ukraine's long range artillery capability. Then western systems like the HIMARS and CAESAR reintroduced Ukraine's ability to hit Russian supply depots and airbases. The Russians in charge of tracking western weapon systems, and then destroying them with cruise missiles were probably lying for months about how good they were doing. Russia's obsession over inflicting higher casualties also put blinders on that they were winning, when, in reality, Ukraine was rebuilding and learning. Russia also made the mistake of clustering its artillery in a futile attempt to take Donbass via shelling alone. Russia artillery appears to have been scarce on the ground where they needed it in Kharkov. Supply depots are pretty standard practice -- just in time shell delivery doesn't work when one is dealing with thousands of shells fired a day. If you notice, the Ukrainians are firing less, but hitting much more accurately than the barriages Russia favors.



Im sure the REAL Russian army is right around the corner, pretty soon we will see it.

Got to wait a little more

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I am interested to see what exactly they have in reserve. Is it true that they've lost the cream of the crop? If so, they need to go full mass mobilization now or surrender.


Exactly ACTIVE forces in Ukraine were 125,000 the rest were not battle ready.
The paramilitary number (and the navy number, which includes marines) includes units like Azov that were certainly ready for combat at the start. Also, you're changing the definition of outnumbered to only include professional troops. We both know how silly that is.



At the front, it seems to me like you fail to grasp such a basic concept supplies on the back are not the same as supplies on the front.
Again, if they ran out of supplies at the front, they would literally not be able to resist Ukrainian forces and would have collapsed everywhere months ago. Modern warfare involves huge muntion expenditure. How did they level Mariupol if they did not have rounds?
 



lol Star coffee when in Russia stay away lol.
 
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They will play this on RT over and over again.

I've just seen that @Strychnine shared it already, sorry, hadn't seen it!

But boy howdy, it's worth showing time and time again!

Tucker Carlson is an absolute pantomime character. Not necessarily a villain, more like a Widow Twanky.

If anyone in America watches Tucker for anything but the silliness, perhaps they should reconsider?
 


When spinning makes you fall over and puke. ^


Seriously though, being that propagandistic, this far into the conflict, legitimately makes you wonder if Fox/Tucker is being paid off. Even most of the hardliners switched sides pretty quickly once they internalized some actual facts about the conflict. I kinda assumed Tucker would at least have laid off his Zelenskybashing at this point.
 
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Supposedly, Russia was brutalizing conscripts and civilians while Ukraine actually withdrew their well trained fighters, who they used on this push. Sacrified pawns to save bishops. War is hell.
 
It seems Azerbaijan and Armenia are engaging each other.



I'd heard of something happening near the Iranian border yesterday.

Is this significant to the Russian conflict, or a sign of perceived Russian weakness, or is it related in any way at all?
 
Armenia is about to get curb stomped once Turkey/Azerbaijan realize that Russia can't protect Armenia. Also, word on the street is that Russia is going to donate Belgorod to Ukraine as an act of goodwill. <45>
 
I'd heard of something happening near the Iranian border yesterday.

Is this significant to the Russian conflict, or a sign of perceived Russian weakness, or is it related in any way at all?

Azerbaijan might be trying to take a chance because their war with armenia got stopped by rus in 2020

(Azeris were running armenia over, was first time seeing tb 2 wreck everything)
 
When spinning makes you fall over and puke. ^


Seriously though, being that propagandistic, this far into the conflict, legitimately makes you wonder if Fox/Tucker is being paid off. Even most of the hardliners switched sides pretty quickly once they internalized some actual facts about the conflict. I kinda assumed Tucker would at least have laid off his Zelenskybashing at this point.

I mean, I suppose it beats this:

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The Russians thought that they had destroyed Ukraine's long range artillery capability. Then western systems like the HIMARS and CAESAR reintroduced Ukraine's ability to hit Russian supply depots and airbases. The Russians in charge of tracking western weapon systems, and then destroying them with cruise missiles were probably lying for months about how good they were doing.

Russia definitively knew they were not hitting them, they just had a lot of wishful thinking and can't back up now that due to how invested politically they are, its been clear for a while that Putin is aiming at the West being fickle and forgetting about Ukraine.

Russia's obsession over inflicting higher casualties also put blinders on that they were winning, when, in reality, Ukraine was rebuilding and learning. Russia also made the mistake of clustering its artillery in a futile attempt to take Donbass via shelling alone. Russia artillery appears to have been scarce on the ground where they needed it in Kharkov. Supply depots are pretty standard practice -- just in time shell delivery doesn't work when one is dealing with thousands of shells fired a day. If you notice, the Ukrainians are firing less, but hitting much more accurately than the barriages Russia favors.

It wasn't a mistake, its simply that they CAN'T, Russian logistical issues were known by people even BEFORE the war, but the world was simply delluded into what the RAND experts were saying.

The whole American "amateurs talk strategy, experts talk logistics" proved to be true, while the Russian army had on paper the capability to defeat Ukraine fast, it simply lacked the logistical support to keep those advances going.

Look at this article from 2021 months before the war, they were already predicting that a "Russian Blitzkrieg" would be bogged down as it advanced due to logistical constraints.

https://warontherocks.com/2021/11/feeding-the-bear-a-closer-look-at-russian-army-logistics/

I am interested to see what exactly they have in reserve. Is it true that they've lost the cream of the crop? If so, they need to go full mass mobilization now or surrender.

They have absolutely shit.

The paramilitary number (and the navy number, which includes marines) includes units like Azov that were certainly ready for combat at the start. Also, you're changing the definition of outnumbered to only include professional troops. We both know how silly that is.

I include ACTIVE forces because those are the ones that can actually react to an invasion. Reserves need to be mobilized first.

Also i didn't count the paramilitary because i didn't count the DPR/LPR numbers either.

Again, if they ran out of supplies at the front, they would literally not be able to resist Ukrainian forces and would have collapsed everywhere months ago. Modern warfare involves huge muntion expenditure. How did they level Mariupol if they did not have rounds?

I already pointed out that its FAR easier to keep supplied artillery that is close to a supply dump, than trying to keep the needs of a forward fighting force way ahead of the supply dumps and whose needs are way more diversified.

https://warontherocks.com/2021/11/feeding-the-bear-a-closer-look-at-russian-army-logistics/

This was already predicted as i said, before the fight even began that Russian army logistical capabilities would be a bottleneck for the Russian army advance, that's why they moved from mechanized warfare to the whole mass artillery and level everything while we slowly crawl forward gaining territory, which worked until HIMARS entered the battlefiedld.

I mean you can deny it all you want but this is well known, the plan was for the VDV to take Hostomel airport via air lift and the Russian army would relieve it on the ground, but that never happened, the Russian army literally ran out of gas on the spearhead.
 
Let me answer it for you... NO.

Even though, even discussing the use of nukes in Ukraine is a waste of time. It ain't ever happening. Even the most pro-war ultra nationalists and borderline fascists in Moscow call such talks as simple idiocy. They want to take Ukraine by force because their rotten brains think it's their land and the ukrainian people are nothing but slavic people manipulated by the west that need 'liberation' and 're-education'. Their sociopathic minds still somehow consider ukrainians 'their' people and they call Ukraine 'Little Russia' or 'New Russia'. If it ever happens, god forbid, that they use weapons of mass destruction, it won't be on ukrainians. The target are other locations, even further west than Poland.

If you're 100% correct then NATO would have entered the conflict. They didn't because intel indicates a non-zero chance of tac nuke retaliation by Putin.
 
Fuel guys were not coordinated with tank guys. Goes the show the organizational incompetence and poor planning of the initial invasion.

Ergo they didn't had the logistical capability to support a mechanized infantry and tank advance.

Russian logistics are poor as hell.
 
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