International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V7

[Joe]

 

[MeatheadMike]

Can the oil embargo even work when countries like India and China could buy Russian oil at lower prices and resell it to US/EU at higher market rates.
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-india-violating-the-eu-oil-embargo/a-62291074

From your source:

Claim: " [...] India refines Russian oil and sells the end product to the US and the EU. Really, that's capitalism at it's (sic) best," writes Dominik Lehmann, a member of the German Left Party.
DW fact check: Can't be proven."

So it outright states this claim may not be true, but it goes on to say that based on India's increase in imports, its possible that India could be refining Russian crude and exporting the refined product to EU.

But if anything that undermines Russia in the long run, since Russia (who can no longer sell to its best customers directly) is essentially being forced to sell at discount prices to a middle man (India), who is profiting off them. May not seem like it now since oil is so high, but what happens when the market stabilizes and prices go down?

 

[Anewt]

May not seem like it now since oil is so high, but what happens when the market stabilizes and prices go down?

I don't think the market will stabilize until this shit show is resolved. But thars just my opinion. Far too easy for the big companies to exploit the situation for profit and go " but but Putin ". Hell governments are doing the same.

 

[Joe]

Shit is popping. Huge sparkles!

 

[nhbfan8080]

From your source:

Claim: " [...] India refines Russian oil and sells the end product to the US and the EU. Really, that's capitalism at it's (sic) best," writes Dominik Lehmann, a member of the German Left Party.
DW fact check: Can't be proven."

So it outright states this claim may not be true, but it goes on to say that based on India's increase in imports, its possible that India could be refining Russian crude and exporting the refined product to EU.

But if anything that undermines Russia in the long run, since Russia (who can no longer sell to its best customers directly) is essentially being forced to sell at discount prices to a middle man (India), who is profiting off them. May not seem like it now since oil is so high, but what happens when the market stabilizes and prices go down?

DW hasn't done a proper investigation into it but it seems quite likely that theres profiteering going on at the expense of the western consumer who are paying higher prices at the pump as an unintended consequence of the sanctions. Unless there is already a system in place that could detect illegal Russian oil, why wouldn't the middlemen not re-sell the oil for a higher profit?

As to your 2nd question, maybe thats when Russia only really begin to hurt from the sanctions. Unless the prices really crater, maybe they can still hum along selling a little below market prices.

 

[Vergilius]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eople-of-kherson-and-zaporizhzhia-to-evacuate
Looks like the Ukrainian counteroffensive to retake Kherson and Zaphorizia is getting underway soon. Ukrainian officials are warning locals to evacuate:

“You must look for a way to leave because our armed forces will de-occupy. There will be a huge battle. I don’t want to scare anyone, everyone understands everything anyway,” said Vereshchuk. She said that evacuations are taking place and that people in the occupied territories were aware.

The Ukrainians have so far been playing defense, trying to inflict maximum pain on the Russians and make their advance as slow and difficult as possible, while building reserves of troops and integrating Western equipment in their armed forces. For the past month we seen them moving into position around Kherson and conducting partisan warfare. If they are fighting as cleverly as they were at the beginning of the war, those things taken together could be seen as a careful preparation for a major counteroffensive to dislodge the Russians who have manpower problems and can't be everywhere.

It'll be very interesting to see if they can do it: we haven't seen the Ukrainian military launch a major offensive yet. For Ukraine, Kherson and the South is the critical battle while Donbass is more of a sideshow with much less strategic importance.

 

[SandisLL]

IMHO even without sanctions fuel still had been with hiking prices.
Always when world is unstable, fuel and gold prices peaks up.
Historically proved fact.

+ India and China both are huge crude oil importers and needs to statisfy THEIR OWN internal market demand...
+ geography too is playing here huge role!
It is long distance ( this means expenses!) to deliver crude oil from Russia to India and China...

Delivery with tanker ship is = distance = expenses.

Then again, after refinining, all these products should be transported with....ships....

If to europe, imagine expenses?

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Okey, pll crying : remove sanctions, we will be happy.
Interestingly what they will tell if Putin will demand Alaska back, will turn Hungary into Belarus No2 and ...fuel still had been ....EXPENSIVE?

Yeah, superempire!

Then if Russia togerher with China will f e negotiate with Iran and....will bully Australia and Canada, Germany and South Korea more ?


Fact that about this Ukraine no one casual cares about.
Ofc this is what this is...

Stuff is that they are delusional and casuals don't see that Russia wants to submit ALL world.
Sooner or later.
Supersize Superempire.

 

[Nada.]

Don't know about the others, but Ukraine's ambassador to Germany has been causing problems in a way that an ambassador sould really avoid.

Yea, he was quite aggressive to a lot of politicians, which i didnt mind but said some questionable things about bandera in an Interview. Not easy to deal with, not liked by anyone in charge.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Why is it that dumb fucks always use china as their arguments against green energy?.

The answer is in the beginning of your question. I miss when they had all been ran out of this thread earlier. They e been dominating the thread lately with they’re whiney bullshit.

 

[Blayt7hh]

They also have the highest population along with India. They also have the largest manufacturing production in the world. Yeah they're going to pollute.

None of these disprove the fact that China has gone green.

I heard that per capita we pollute twice as much as China. They create more just because there are so many of them. I haven’t verified that claim yet though

 

[Anewt]

I heard that per capita we pollute twice as much as China. They create more just because there are so many of them. I haven’t verified that claim yet though

Pretty sure Australia is higher than both by capita. That's not the same thing as China being " green "

They are building a lot of new coal power plants still. They actually are building more now than in 2016.

The " green energy " of China is a " hey look over there. Not over here ".

In fairness at least they are doing green energy as well but when this is the reality

Together, coal plants in the world's second-largest economy will emit 170 billion tonnes of carbon in their lifetime - more than all global CO2 emissions between 2016 and 2020, BP data show.


It's still a huge issue. And the environmental damage that is occurring due to their hydro electric plants is not a " green solution " it's literally destroying countries to the south of them.

 

[Anewt]

Oh I was wrong according to the top 10 polluters by capita.

Qatar — 37.05 per capita
Kuwait — 23.49 per capita
Saudi Arabia — 19.39 per capita
Canada — 16.85 per capita
United States — 15.74 per capita
Germany — 9.7 per capita
China — 7.72 per capita
Spain — 6.09 per capita
France — 5.02 per capita
Thailand — 4.05 per capita

I guess it depends what particular pollution they're using. That seems to be a overall " pollution "

 

[Videer]

Shit is popping. Huge sparkles!

Remember how a month or two ago all the rage in the troll circles was how there is no point sending SPGs and HIMARS to Ukraine because Russia is just going to destroy all the railways and bridges so these systems would never reach the frontline anyway.
Now who was the main tard going all in on that?

 

[SandisLL]

Oh I was wrong according to the top 10 polluters by capita.

Qatar — 37.05 per capita
Kuwait — 23.49 per capita
Saudi Arabia — 19.39 per capita
Canada — 16.85 per capita
United States — 15.74 per capita
Germany — 9.7 per capita
China — 7.72 per capita
Spain — 6.09 per capita
France — 5.02 per capita
Thailand — 4.05 per capita

I guess it depends what particular pollution they're using. That seems to be a overall " pollution "

There are some specific points.
1. Countries aren't evalued according to their specific!
2. Pollution calculating methodics might be different.
Like with 2 loved by mas media tools: inflation and PPP....
3. It is simple methodic used here: take some from MULTIPLE methodics....to calculate pollution.
Then use calculator to divide this with number of inhabitants...

So there Quatar might look bad if compare with China...despite Quatar A. Is very specific country with very specific function in world scene!
B. Quatar doesn't use oboslete power plants aka in 1950-1970 th to burn coal and fuel oil: common thing in China....
Despite low fuel use efficiency and so on...

 

[SandisLL]

Quatar does have relatively small population.
Oil refineries supplying customers in U.S and EU...
GTL factory producing one from cleanest sort of gasoline and lubricants with ...brilliant quality ..
LNG terminal...
Is exporting natural gas, refined oil products and crude oil.
Is using fuel oil to produce electricity...


And if someone might distaste Quatar's production: it is most likely the best any Gulf country might produce.
Excellent desulfurisation units in oil refineries. Top notch last gen solutions...
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Kuwait is small country and huge crude oil exporter + they are mainly using low quality heavy fuel oil...to produce electricity and provide oil refineries with energy...
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[SandisLL]

Some pro ukr media for ukr had indirectly accused Belarus as ammunition supplier to Russia.
Like 17 and 20 railroad trucks had been delivered from Belarus to eastern Ukr front area.
Maybe truth cos Putin had promised to deliver more Iskander missiles for Lukashenko...
Lukashenko in beorussian media openly admits that is waiting supplies with Iskander missiles and is dreaming to produce ballistic missiles with help from Russia.

 

[Anewt]

Smh. As if these sanctions are going to work come winter.

"Russia-Ukraine war update: what we know on day 137 of the invasion | World news | The Guardian" https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...pdate-what-we-know-on-day-137-of-the-invasion

Canada has granted a sanctions exemption to allow a repaired Russian turbine to be sent back to Germany for the Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline. The Canadian government said the “time-limited and revocable permit” would support “Europe’s ability to access reliable and affordable energy as they continue to transition away from Russian oil and gas”. Canada also announced it would expand sanctions against Russia’s energy sector to include industrial manufacturing. Kyiv urged the Canadian government not to return the part to Germany, but Germany, which is facing severe gas shortages, is being threatened with a further squeeze on Russian gas by Moscow if the turbine isn’t returned.

 

[SandisLL]

Well, there is clear proof that to trust one supplier is big mistake.
They always assumed that Russia will be their friend and never will fill their country with >800 000 refugees and blackmail with supplies...

It is big difference between small Lithuania and big " smart " Germany.
In 1991 th Gorbachev had announced supplies to Lithuania blockade. They still managed to run even oil refinery despite Russia had closed valves in crude oil pipeline.
Next episode was when oil refinery had not been sold to russian oligarchs...Again they cut off crude oil supplies and ...no one had died.

Since 2008 th Russia had blackmailed them with natural gas supplies and outcome was...
they had built LNG terminal and Russia get that they need Lithuania more than Lithuania needs to deal with Russia.
Cos this ...now looks that Russia is doing all the best to encourage Lukashenko to attack Suvalk corridor....

Germany was opposite: they even more had turned into patient on Gazprom natural gas needle...

Ofc not all germans are guilty.
Nice " greens " intitially oppressed coal industry, then....nuclear industry and ....vuala natural gas from Russia as maybe even " renewable " resource was cool for them for sure.

The most painful fact is: the more you use natural gas for electricity production ( cogeneration is just excuse btw ), the higher will be natural gas . . prices...
2021 th already had taught lesson.

 

[Videer]

Russian Izdeliye 305 helicopter launched ATGM in action, range about 10 miles. Very much like a Hellfire that has been upsized.



On a Mi-28NM

And at the same time they are fielding junk that would have been modern in 1970.

 

[SandisLL]

We too were in some areas stupid, in some not...
The same natural gas...
In a lot of places it is replaced with other fuel or does have minor share in usage.
While one big cogeneration power plant we did shit...
Didn't had renowed old block capable to use peat and wood& coal& charcoal... + as secondary fuel...fuel oil or natural gas..
Instead to renowe this and built next new block for backup...
We had built new block able to run on natural gas and...in emergency case...to use diesel fuel (!!!God help ) as bakcup fuel.
+ looks that yet didn't had booked LNG terminal capacity anywhere...
If they will use as fuel...diesel fuel...bills for heating might be...damn...
Ofc for clients served by this plant...

Pros: we had renowed hydroelectric power plants and now they does have even increased power.
If a lot water, we are electricity exporters.
If no...then we import ....
+ some wind power plants built, cogen improved and biogas projects + landfill gas project appeared that was very good in reality etc...