Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

[Videer]

Tannenberg is the reference I keep seeing.

I recommend reading Tannenberg: Clash of Empires, 1914.

 

[b34stmode]

Did you get a chance to read that fact check about Zelenksy’s embarrassing Knesset speech i posted your way yesterday?

I responded to someone else saying I didn't think the "final solution" was in any way demeaning to Isreal but I'm not a jew and I admitted I was probably wrong. Feel better?

 

[Cole train]

Fin intelligence saying to keep eyes open, risk for cyberattacks

(Friend already saying radio is being disrupted because he's radio is not working normally lol)

 

[Da Speeit]

Was US military intelligence "bunk" when they warned that Putin was planning a full scale invasion of Ukraine?

It's pretty convenient when your side offers no information, but you get to dismiss all the other side's information out of hand as "bunk."

Why hasn't the Kremlin released numbers since March 2?


Fixed, Comrade.

i posted an article from CNN yesterday that politely said the NYT article was definitely an exaggeration and the floor of possible deaths was 3,000 instead of 7,000. The NYT article was the most sourced reference and its source was an “anonymous Intel agent” (an edit they made, with the original being “an anonymous person in the intel community”

i’ve been posting the NYT article for weeks, and posted the correction yesterday. Funny how we’ve gone to “more troops in Iwo Jima” to “more troops than in Afghanistan”. It’s almost like they’re using specific rhetoric to paint a picture and week by week the number shrinks. The pentagon said between 2-4k almost two weeks ago but stipulated those are cautious estimates being they have no actual way of telling.


I don’t trust the Kremlin. They could be over or under stating. We really don’t know. Which is why i continue to say things like “we don’t know” and source the absolute conflicting lies and garbage we’re fed while you lot keep saying you know for sure what is going on, even though the stories, numbers and narratives change every day.

 

[nostradumbass]

Would you let your neighbor do anything he wants just because he has weapons? He can have his dog shit in your yard, snip the roses from your bushes, help himself to your fertilizer, invite friends over and have them park their cars in your driveway? "Well, better not say anything since that Mike sure is a hot head, and he has all those guns..."

If this ends up in any kind of nuclear conflict it's because Putin is a madman that would rather see the world destroyed than fail in rebuilding the mighty Russian Empire.

Ukraine is not part of the US, and everything in your analogy was your neighbor doing things in YOUR yard.

The more accurate analogy would be whether you would go over and get into a shoot out with him because of his dog shitting in someone else in the neighborhood's yard or snipping roses from their yard.

 

[Da Speeit]

I responded to someone else saying I didn't think the "final solution" was in any way demeaning to Isreal but I'm not a jew and I admitted I was probably wrong. Feel better?

No, i posted a full article fact checking piece by piece what was said, not just the cringe “final solution” stuff you got called out on for playing stupid about.
I can repost it you’d like, it’s a very left-wing anti-russia Israeli paper that published it, i’d be curious to know your opinion on the matter since you were so indignant and sure of yourself regarding a speech you didnt listen to

 

[Deleted member 555403]

Looks like I have dig into Nabokov because I'm am emigrant and "outsiderism and distrust towards ideologies" is very much my thing.

As for "the west", I don't really care if they're Rusophiles or Rusophobes, I'm just sick and tired of Russia fucking itself up all the time and making common people pay for it - like for example RIGHT NOW. If normalizing things means purging the entire political class OR decommunization OR full demilitarization OR even foreign occupation (like in Germany post WW2) - again, if this fixes the shit Russia's been swimming in since the 11th century, I'm 100% in support.
Hell, I suppose that even a Chinese takeover may potentially be better for people in the long run. At least Russians can have the "strong leadership" they seem to always enjoy while the economy could finally (maybe?) flourish. Unlikely scenario tho.

the last time West intervened and the vulture capitalists ransacked a collapsed USSR Putin came to power a handful of years later.. maybe we shouldn't attempt to 'normalize' things and give china a crack at it

 

[Hotora86]

the last time West intervened and the vulture capitalists ransacked a collapsed USSR Putin came to power a handful of years later.. maybe we shouldn't attempt to 'normalize' things and give china a crack at it

The West didn't interfere ENOUGH back then! Yeltsin had his pros but he was ultimately too weak / unwilling to purge Russia from its KGB scourge - hence now we have Putin.

 

[luckyshot]

i posted an article from CNN yesterday that politely said the NYT article was definitely an exaggeration and the floor of possible deaths was 3,000 instead of 7,000. The NYT article was the most sourced reference and its source was an “anonymous Intel agent” (an edit they made, with the original being “an anonymous person in the intel community”

i’ve been posting the NYT article for weeks, and posted the correction yesterday. Funny how we’ve gone to “more troops in Iwo Jima” to “more troops than in Afghanistan”. It’s almost like they’re using specific rhetoric to paint a picture and week by week the number shrinks. The pentagon said between 2-4k almost two weeks ago but stipulated those are cautious estimates being they have no actual way of telling.


I don’t trust the Kremlin. They could be over or under stating. We really don’t know. Which is why i continue to say things like “we don’t know” and source the absolute conflicting lies and garbage we’re fed while you lot keep saying you know for sure what is going on, even though the stories, numbers and narratives change every day.

What CNN article did you post that said the NYT numbers were exaggerated?

This is what CNN said as of yesterday:

It’s been nearly a month since Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine, deploying tens of thousands of troops into an offensive against its neighbor from three sides.

While Ukraine’s military is much smaller, its forces have mounted a fierce resistance that has managed to hold off Russian advances in some parts of the country. A senior NATO intelligence official said Monday signs were pointing to a stalemate emerging in Russia’s offensive, with Russian ground forces remaining stalled and Russian combat aircraft unable to achieve air superiority.

Precisely how many Russian troops have been killed in their campaign thus far is unclear.

On March 2, a Russian defense ministry spokesman put the number of dead Russian military personnel at 498. But that number has not been updated by officials since then.

Then on Monday a pro-Putin Russian tabloid published -- then later removed -- a report with an updated toll of 9,861 Russian armed forces deaths in the war in Ukraine, citing the Russian defense ministry.

The report from the tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda originally read: "According to the Russian Defense Ministry, during the special operation in Ukraine, the Russian Armed Forces lost 9861 people killed and 16153 wounded."

CNN analyzed the website’s HTML code, which indicated that the article was published on Monday at 12:09 a.m. Moscow time.

Seconds after CNN read the original article -- at 9:56 p.m. Moscow time, according to the HTML code -- the story was updated and all references to the death count were removed. That update on the outlet's website came shortly after the article began to get attention from social media posts, which referenced the death count.

The original report from the tabloid is in line with US Department of Defense estimates that there have been up to 10,000 Russian military deaths. Ukraine has put the number even higher.

CNN is not able to independently verify any of these figures.

After the update, Komsomolskaya Pravda, published a statement saying that "access to administrator interface was hacked" and that "a fake insert was made into a publication."

They claimed that "inaccurate information was immediately removed." CNN analysis showed that the update came after 21 hours.

The Kremlin dodged questions on the course of the war in Ukraine, which were put to the Defense Ministry on Tuesday. The ministry said it "does not have the authority" to publicize a count of Russia’s military deaths while the "military operation" is still ongoing.

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-new...s-03-22-22/h_355deddce03a3e8dfef7f825055c00e4


Nothing there says or suggests US intelligence reports are wrong or conflicted.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Ukraine is not part of the US, and everything in your analogy was your neighbor doing things in YOUR yard.

The more accurate analogy would be whether you would go over and get into a shoot out with him because of his dog shitting in someone else in the neighborhood's yard or snipping roses from their yard.

Well I'm too big of a pussy to say anything myself but I would report it to the homeowners association. Let's see if Mike continues to be a hot head and threatens violence if he receives any fines or if the police are called.

I wouldn't ignore my neighbor's plight just because I don't own his property. Next thing you know Mike will be over snipping my petunias and that would get me real mad. And believe me you don't want to be near me when I'm mad.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

No, i posted a full article fact checking piece by piece what was said, not just the cringe “final solution” stuff you got called out on for playing stupid about.
I can repost it you’d like, it’s a very left-wing anti-russia Israeli paper that published it, i’d be curious to know your opinion on the matter since you were so indignant and sure of yourself regarding a speech you didnt listen to

This is the type of post that makes you come off as a bit of a douche...

 

[The XL]

Would you let your neighbor do anything he wants just because he has weapons? He can have his dog shit in your yard, snip the roses from your bushes, help himself to your fertilizer, invite friends over and have them park their cars in your driveway? "Well, better not say anything since that Mike sure is a hot head, and he has all those guns..."

If this ends up in any kind of nuclear conflict it's because Putin is a madman that would rather see the world destroyed than fail in rebuilding the mighty Russian Empire.

What does that have to do with us? We're not Russia neighbors. And they're not attacking us.

If their is any kind of nuclear conflict its because we stuck our nose where it doesn't belong. Their is absolutely no upside to any of this. All this does is hurt us. Again, how is this in the best interest of the American people? My concern is with my family and the rest of the country, it is not with Ukraine. Who are our politicians working for again? Its insane that some people think a nuclear conflict is worth the risk. It makes absolutely zero sense.

 

[The XL]

Well I'm too big of a pussy to say anything myself but I would report it to the homeowners association. Let's see if Mike continues to be a hot head and threatens violence if he receives any fines or if the police are called.

I wouldn't ignore my neighbor's plight just because I don't own his property. Next thing you know Mike will be over snipping my petunias and that would get me real mad. And believe me you don't want to be near me when I'm mad.

Mike isn't coming to my yard because Mike knows he gets his shit pushed in if he does. But what he does in someone else's yard isn't my business.

 

[SandisLL]

Dexter works here for his nazists bosses in Kremlin. He is dreaming that Kremlin's propaganda is reality. Classic street thug mentality from thugs country Russia. Cocky thugs and liars. Poland not likely even had accepted Ukraine in EU, not alone in NATO. If worshiped by Kremlin's employee Dexter Parasha corruption hole Russia didn't invaded corrupion hole Ukraine. Now Dexter is worshiping his paychecks nothing more here.

 

[Da Speeit]

This is the type of post that makes you come off as a bit of a douche...

I think you come off as a douche more often than not tbh. I still enjoy your posts and think you're entitled to post how you'd like.

 

[Da Speeit]

What CNN article did you post that said the NYT numbers were exaggerated?

This is what CNN said as of yesterday:

It’s been nearly a month since Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine, deploying tens of thousands of troops into an offensive against its neighbor from three sides.

While Ukraine’s military is much smaller, its forces have mounted a fierce resistance that has managed to hold off Russian advances in some parts of the country. A senior NATO intelligence official said Monday signs were pointing to a stalemate emerging in Russia’s offensive, with Russian ground forces remaining stalled and Russian combat aircraft unable to achieve air superiority.

Precisely how many Russian troops have been killed in their campaign thus far is unclear.

On March 2, a Russian defense ministry spokesman put the number of dead Russian military personnel at 498. But that number has not been updated by officials since then.

Then on Monday a pro-Putin Russian tabloid published -- then later removed -- a report with an updated toll of 9,861 Russian armed forces deaths in the war in Ukraine, citing the Russian defense ministry.

The report from the tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda originally read: "According to the Russian Defense Ministry, during the special operation in Ukraine, the Russian Armed Forces lost 9861 people killed and 16153 wounded."

CNN analyzed the website’s HTML code, which indicated that the article was published on Monday at 12:09 a.m. Moscow time.

Seconds after CNN read the original article -- at 9:56 p.m. Moscow time, according to the HTML code -- the story was updated and all references to the death count were removed. That update on the outlet's website came shortly after the article began to get attention from social media posts, which referenced the death count.

The original report from the tabloid is in line with US Department of Defense estimates that there have been up to 10,000 Russian military deaths. Ukraine has put the number even higher.

CNN is not able to independently verify any of these figures.

After the update, Komsomolskaya Pravda, published a statement saying that "access to administrator interface was hacked" and that "a fake insert was made into a publication."

They claimed that "inaccurate information was immediately removed." CNN analysis showed that the update came after 21 hours.

The Kremlin dodged questions on the course of the war in Ukraine, which were put to the Defense Ministry on Tuesday. The ministry said it "does not have the authority" to publicize a count of Russia’s military deaths while the "military operation" is still ongoing.

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-new...s-03-22-22/h_355deddce03a3e8dfef7f825055c00e4

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/17/europe/russian-casualties-ukraine-military-readiness/index.html

US and allied intelligence assessments vary widely as to exactly how many Russian forces have been killed to date, sources familiar with the intelligence tell CNN. But even the lowest estimates are in the thousands.
One such assessment found that approximately 7,000 Russian troops have been killed so far, said one of the sources. But that figure, first reported by The New York Times, is on the higher end of US estimates, which vary because the US and its allies have no precise way of counting casualties. Some estimates place the number of Russian troops killed in Ukraine at about 3,000, whereas others suggest more than 10,000 have been killed.



So the floor has gone from 7k to 3k in a week. Huh.

And I don't believe Komsomslyayayaya in general, let alone an absurd number they claim to be a hack. Seems like wishful western thinking. 10k Russia troops have not died in this conflict. Silly. 2k sounds more realistic. That is still a large amount based on what we've seen. But that's just my opinion.

Point is: we don't know, so stop throwing out numbers as if you do. You have absolutely zero clue.

 

[Videer]

You get AT4, you too get AT4, everyone gets AT4.

 

[luckyshot]

What does that have to do with us? We're not Russia neighbors. And they're not attacking us.

Hence, we are not sending troops or arms that could be used as offensive weapons (missiles, planes). Biden has said this like 800 times.

 

[luckyshot]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/17/europe/russian-casualties-ukraine-military-readiness/index.html

US and allied intelligence assessments vary widely as to exactly how many Russian forces have been killed to date, sources familiar with the intelligence tell CNN. But even the lowest estimates are in the thousands.
One such assessment found that approximately 7,000 Russian troops have been killed so far, said one of the sources. But that figure, first reported by The New York Times, is on the higher end of US estimates, which vary because the US and its allies have no precise way of counting casualties. Some estimates place the number of Russian troops killed in Ukraine at about 3,000, whereas others suggest more than 10,000 have been killed.



So the floor has gone from 7k to 3k in a week. Huh.

And I don't believe Komsomslyayayaya in general, let alone an absurd number they claim to be a hack. Seems like wishful western thinking. 10k Russia troops have not died in this conflict. Silly. 2k sounds more realistic. That is still a large amount based on what we've seen. But that's just my opinion.

Point is: we don't know, so stop throwing out numbers as if you do. You have absolutely zero clue.

Even if you take the lowest estimate, Russia has still lost more troops in a month in Ukraine than the US did in 20 years in Afghanistan, which was my original point.

How is that "things going well" for them?

 

[emefer]

The West didn't interfere ENOUGH back then! Yeltsin had his pros but he was ultimately too weak / unwilling to purge Russia from its KGB scourge - hence now we have Putin.

They needed a Russian Pinochet