Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

[Yotsuya]

Don’t be so salty, my Suomi neighbour. Soviets didn’t annex Finland in Winter War, and didn’t make the XVI republic out of it in WW2 aftermath, despite your alliance with German nazis. Weren’t Stalin generous, after all?

Winter War was a classic Russian fuck-up military action just like the current one. It cost you give or take 150k dead and 150k wounded including the few who got shelled by your own artillery to start the war. (See the first link.) During that time you were buddies with nazies, not us. (See second link.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact

 

[Dexter]

In your opinion if there was actually direct military conflict between NATO/Russia...would Putin actually launch a tactical nuke? He can't win a conventional war, he can't even compete. And God willing we won't have to find any of this out. But if we did...do you think he'd do it out of desperation?

110%. I see that some media are speculating now about Poland entering the western part of the Ukraine as a peace-keeping force and seizing the 4 areas still more or less intact. It won’t work that way - any direct NATO involvement will be the sign for “no holds bare” for Russia.

 

[Videer]

Jesus fucking Christ that is a massive blow to the russian federation if they got there hands on a command and communications truck of this quality.

Of course the inherent problem of ground based jammers is that if you want to do any of the jamming you have to emit and emissions can be located. Not so much of a problem for airborne platforms.

 

[Dexter]

Winter War was a classic Russian fuck-up military action just like the current one. It cost you give or take 150k dead and 150k wounded including the few who got shelled by your own artillery to start the war. (See the first link.) During that time you were buddies with nazies, not us. (See second link.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact

Good try, but no . Poland and Czech were already sold to Germans by UK & France during Munich Betrayal. Soviet forces entered Poland when Polish state was no more, president, defense minister and government already left the country.
And Finland worked for nazis during Continuation war, helping in Leningrad blockade, and trying to take back Karelia. Lauri Torni says “Hi!”

 

[det_regnar_på_vår_kärlek]

It is for Ukraine to decide how long they want to fight. It is left for us to provide them with maximal amount of lethality against the invaders and maximal amount of protection for themselves.

Sending diplomats would be more helpful

 

[mkess101]

110%. I see that some media are speculating now about Poland entering the western part of the Ukraine as a peace-keeping force and seizing the 4 areas still more or less intact. It won’t work that way - any direct NATO involvement will be the sign for “no holds bare” for Russia.

What a clusterf*ck. If there are no Russian troops in those areas, then shouldn't be any engagement between Polish/NATO troops and Russian forces. If there are Russian troops there, well yeah that's probably WW3.

Probably true that even if there were no direct engagement, Putin will see it as an act of war. In his warped mind, Russia has a right to have troops not only all over the Ukraine but also in eastern Moldova.

Stay safe if the shit hits the fan my friend. Because if Vlad gets that desperate that he launches a nuke at Poland (or Germany, whatever)... Moscow is gonna feel the full weight of the trillion dollar US military coming down on it. Shit will get crazy.

 

[Yotsuya]

Good try, but no . Poland and Czech were already sold to Germans by UK & France during Munich Betrayal. Soviet forces entered Poland when Polish state was no more, president, defense minister and government already left the country.
And Finland worked for nazis during Continuation war, helping in Leningrad blockade, and trying to take back Karelia. Lauri Torni says “Hi!”

1939 Soviet Union made deal with Nazi Germany and invaded neutral Finland. There's no way you can dispute that. As usual your arguments are as shitty as they come.

 

[Hotora86]

Dropping this here for any anti-war Russians who were looking for a common symbol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-blue-white_flag

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/16/a-new-symbol-of-russia-s-anti-war-movement

 

[Captain Herb]

110%. I see that some media are speculating now about Poland entering the western part of the Ukraine as a peace-keeping force and seizing the 4 areas still more or less intact. It won’t work that way - any direct NATO involvement will be the sign for “no holds bare” for Russia.

So let's think about that for a second.

Poland establishes a peace keeping force in Western Ukraine.
Russia engages the peacekeepers who respond in kind.
Russia uses a tactical nuke against Polish or Ukrainian forces.
NATO launches a tactical nuke in a retaliatory strike against Russian forces in Ukraine.
Putin ups the ante and fires off a larger nuke at a military base in Europe.
US takes out one of their own on Russian soil.
Putin launches a full-scale nuclear strike against the US and western countries.
4 minutes after Putin pushes the button, A full scale retaliation is launched by the US and the West.
Who knows how many Russian missiles find their mark, but one thing we do know is that Russian civilization will be wiped off of this earth forever.

Because Putin wanted Ukraine for himself. Is that really worth it to you?

 

[ICHEERTHEBULL]

Winter War was a classic Russian fuck-up military action just like the current one. It cost you give or take 150k dead and 150k wounded including the few who got shelled by your own artillery to start the war. (See the first link.) During that time you were buddies with nazies, not us. (See second link.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact

“buddies”lol they signed a non aggression pack and were one of the last to do so.

1933 - UK, France, Italy - Pact of the Four
1934 - Poland - Hitler-Pilsudsko-Pact
1935 - UK - Naval Pact
1936 - Japan - Anti-Comintern Pact
1938 - UK - non Agression-Pact signed in September
1938 - France - non Agression-Pact signed in December
1939 - Romania - economic Pact signed in March
1939 - Latvia - non Agression-Pact signed in March
1939 - Italy - Pact of Union and Friendship signed in May
1939 - Denmark - non Agression-Pact signed in May
1939 - Estonia - non Agression-Pact signed in June
1939 - Latvia - non Agression-Pact signed in June
1939 - USSR - non Agression-Pact signed in August

“buddies” also conveniently ignores Stalins efforts to form a pact with France and the UK (turned down) before signing the pact with Germany, offering “up to a million troops to deter Nazi aggression.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html

you know the term “western betrayal” is a thing right
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

Referring to them as “buddies” also conveniently ignores allies blatant collaboration with the Nazis both before the war and in the case of the US decades after.

 

[Captain Herb]

They have hypersonic missiles and majority of the launching spot will be near Alaska hence the travelling distance won't be much and it would be like everything getting launched from Alaska. It is not an exaggeration if you get caught sleeping or sucker punched it could take only an hour to end America as whole... Zero exaggeration whatsoever in this assessement..

But being the first to sucker-punch is key here and knowing the Americans they will likely be the once to sneak in the first punch and end Russia before it even sucker-punches them

All ICBMs are hypersonic. US and Russia both have the capability to launch a failsafe retaliatory strike. No one gets out alive. No one's going to get caught "sleeping" the automatic protocols have been in place for decades.

 

[Yotsuya]

“buddies”lol they signed a non aggression pack and were one of the last to do so.

1933 - UK, France, Italy - Pact of the Four
1934 - Poland - Hitler-Pilsudsko-Pact
1935 - UK - Naval Pact
1936 - Japan - Anti-Comintern Pact
1938 - UK - non Agression-Pact signed in September
1938 - France - non Agression-Pact signed in December
1939 - Romania - economic Pact signed in March
1939 - Latvia - non Agression-Pact signed in March
1939 - Italy - Pact of Union and Friendship signed in May
1939 - Denmark - non Agression-Pact signed in May
1939 - Estonia - non Agression-Pact signed in June
1939 - Latvia - non Agression-Pact signed in June
1939 - USSR - non Agression-Pact signed in August

“buddies” also conveniently ignores Stalins efforts to form a pact with France and the UK (turned down) before signing the pact with Germany, offering “up to a million troops to deter Nazi aggression.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html

you know the term “western betrayal” is a thing right
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal

Referring to them as “buddies” also conveniently ignores allies blatant collaboration with the Nazis both before the war and in the case of the US decades after.

You cling on a single wording for your argument. It was not a generic non aggression pack. Germans agreed on it that Soviets can invade Finland among other countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact#Secret_protocol

 

[bad mojo]

Take it with a huge amount of salt, because our president is a piece of shit and a liar, but he was holding a press conference today where he said he expects the escalation of this and much less consideration of civilian lives and infrastructure. Our government has serious contacts with the top people of Russia, so it might be something to bear in mind. Maybe he's just talking crap in order to somehow lower the support for Russia among people over here, but who knows.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

This is honestly to absurd for me to discuss mate.

 

[hitcher]

He also mentioned zelensky being in the Panama papers couple that with the Bidens corruption in Ukraine and it’s hard to turn a blind eye. Why no defamation lawsuits if Tucker is lying? And if he’s telling the truth well everything from Jan 6 to the Russia/Ukraine war stinks and we are on the wrong side.

Zelensky is not a good guy, neither is Putin though.

Mate, I lived through both Russian-Chechen Wars and I know a little bit about both conflicts.

P.S. Because it was actually Georgia starting the genocide?
Active hostilities began on the night of August 8, when Georgia subjected the capital of South Ossetia to massive shelling, after which it attempted to establish control over South Ossetia.

Even the EU acknowledged that Georgia started, although Russia may have done some provocation.

 

[TheGreatA]

I prefer the version that Stalin didn’t want to alienate UK and France whom he planned as allies in fighting with Germans, but your variant is good enough, too. Glad someone here is actually reading history books still.

UK declared war on Finland so I don't think there were too many concerns about alienating them.

The real war between Finland and Russia wasn't the Winter War, anyway, even if it's the one that people most often talk about. It was just a minor skirmish which measured each other's potential. The "continuation war" was of a much larger scale and the Red Army was much more prepared at that time, kicking Nazi ass all over Europe by 1944. Even so, their 500,000 man strong attack, the Vyborg–Petrozavodsk offensive, was halted in the battles in the Karelian Isthmus.

This was quite frankly, a god-tier feat by Finland and will probably never be repeated in history. This was the Red Army at its absolute peak potential, annihilating the Nazi threat, wiping out the Japanese army within days, yet Finland stopped them to a halt. It befuddles me why military historians continue to talk about the Winter War when it was really nothing by comparison.

 

[Yotsuya]

Dropping this here for any anti-war Russians who were looking for a common symbol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-blue-white_flag

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/16/a-new-symbol-of-russia-s-anti-war-movement

Russia has a great tradition of dissidents. Often I just lash out word "Russia"/"Russian" when mean the regime or Russian agressively nationalistic mindset. It's not fair.

 

[Anewt]

Now look at the amount of advancements made by the US since 1961 and then look at Russia. Which one looks like it has the ability to update its military arsenal? Which one of these nations has to rely on expired food to feed their soldiers?

It was a joke bud

 

[Deleted member 555403]

But the ideals of liberty, giving people a vioice and fostering dynamic vibrant economies through that freedom and enterprising culture are real, they work and they proved out in the Cold War.

someone actually believing this nonsense and typing that out.. that's enough internet for the day

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Their hypersonic missiles are effective example getting EMP'ëd means you are paralyzed from top to toe hence the 1000 warheads following cities will eat them clean..

Let me explain this in MMA terms it is like getting dropped by TRT vitor Belfort once you drop his gonna swarm you with millions of punches to end you as quick as possible..

EMP will drop you = Your entire grid is destroyed and paralyzed and the following hour will be where 90% of the population will enter the afterlife

What EMP device are you envisioning?