Russia/Ukraine Megathread V5

[Da Speeit]

Russia wanting or needing Kiev only exists if you're following the bullshit narrative that Putin wants to completely overthrow Ukraine, kill Zelensky, install a puppet and implement Ukraine into the Russian Empire. This is something that boomercon republicans, talking head democrats and a bunch of useful idiots on twitter, who all simp for the same fucking losers at the state department who were in basic/boot during the cold war and thought they were destined to overthrow russia used to jerk off to Red Dawn. There are people running intel in our country that already have come to specific conclusions and anything to the contrary can not be considered. There is only one answer; Putin is Hitler looking to destroy Europe and issue a "Final Solution" in Ukraine, bc reasons.

Nevermind that totally overthrowing Ukraine as an occupying force would be one of the most costly endeavors Russia could possibly entertain both financially and logistically, never mind that killing Zelensky would initiate an actual World War, nevermind that occupying the anti-Russian West would stretch Russia being comprehension. No. He wants Kiev, he wants all of Ukraine and his army has been stuck for weeks because they suck and he's a retard.

If every explanation always boils down to "My enemy has no clue what he's doing" you're probably getting fucking played and are too arrogant to see why or how. Look throughout history to every major power that thought a formidable enemy were "too dumb and inept" to accomplish their goals. Go ahead. It's not pretty. Athens lost a costly war to Sparta whom they dominated on a naval, civil and financial basis because they thought Spartans were idiots who couldn't adapt their warfare and were one-dimensional.

The amount of Hubris in the west is incredible. We should be treating this situation gingerly and making informed, fully-dimensional decisions, instead we're calling world powers stupid and assuming their tactics and intent for them, and addressing our imaginary movie-style diagnosis of the situation instead of what is actually happening.

 

[Anewt]

So I did some digging, and it seems you and spee are blabbering fake news.

Zelensky Sparks Indignation in Israel With 'Infuriating' Holocaust Comparison (newsweek.com)

In a video conference with Israeli leaders, Zelensky urged the nation to stand up against Russia by imposing economic sanctions and providing weapons to Ukraine. During that speech, Zelensky claimed that Russian President Vladimir Putin is attempting to carry out a "final solution" in his country.

Not even CLOSE to directly comparing it to the holocaust. I would have no idea what "final solution" was with the holocaust without googling it. Shame on both of you.

Odd.... I thought most people would've known that.

 

[Dexter]

I'd let that chick sit on my face like she says.

Bro, you just had arrange yourself a special sessions involving your head and your wive's frying pan .

 

[Darkballs]

Man, don't be that childish . No one except the Ministry of Defense has the actual information about the losses, so in no way this magazine could post something like that without MoD approval. Obviously, MoD would never provide it, because they will post it by themselves as they always do.

What an idiotic take.

So no one other than the Russian state can accurately predict casualties, so we should only listen tot he russian state, an organization with the worst track record for honesty in modern history.

Nope. Organizations are more than happy to fill that lack of transparency with their own findings. And just because that makes you uncomfortable, doesn't make the rest of us obligated to follow suit.

 

[Da Speeit]

They should be ready for war, hell yes.
But i don't expect it to happen, no

why not???
Per you and countless others in here, Putin absolutely determined to overthrow Kiev and displace Zelensky so why shouldn't Poland be ready? Especially harboring millions of Ukrainians who will want to take their homeland back.

 

[Zinger]

Bro, you just had arrange yourself a special sessions involving your head and your wive's frying pan .

Aside from her hands, a slipper is her weapon of choice.

Doesn't hurt much, but it's the thought that counts.

 

[Cole train]

I think the Frenchies have been the most active Euro-army since the end of Cold war.
Just not at home..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_France#French_Fifth_Republic_(1958–present)

I consider Donbas conflict tad bit heavier than Frances or uks adventures in Africa or middle east since separatists actually had tactical options and gear(drones tanks etc) unlike people in Mali or Afghanistan to my knowledge

But once again just my opinion no offence intended to anyone

(Going that far back to 1900s is a bit overkill lol)

 

[Anewt]

United States has lowered the estimation of dead Russians from a floor of 7,000 to a floor of 3,000
So we've gone from Iwo Jima to half an Iwo Jima in the matter of a week. Hilarious.

Don't believe your common sense that shows maybea couple dozen tanks blown up, and zero serious ground or firefights, believe the US state department and their pets KI and Nexta.

Source for that plz

 

[Dexter]

What an idiotic take.

So no one other than the Russian state can accurately predict casualties, so we should only listen tot he russian state, an organization with the worst track record for honesty in modern history.

Nope. Organizations are more than happy to fill that lack of transparency with their own findings. And just because that makes you uncomfortable, doesn't make the rest of us obligated to follow suit.

Dude. Even the most anti-Russian guys in this thread were OK with kp.ru explanation about the "hack" and the numbers they "posted". Except you. Why are you so desperate?

 

[Darkballs]

Nobody is going to believe Russia if it happens and they say it wasn't them.

You're right.

But this isn't because everyone except russians have been brainwashed by the media. It's because most educated westerners find the concept that nations russia goes to war against, end up routinely gassing themselves in an effort to frame the innocent russians, to be retarded.

 

[GhostZ06]

Again with this propaganda bullshit. Everybody knows that Ukrainians are on the level of Afghanistan and Syria militaries, so Russians must seize Kiev in two days. US specialists said so at the beginning of this special operation.

Again you're full of shit posting nothing but nonsense. They are proving to be able to fight on a western level despite of the odds. You, yet again making shit up an smelling your own fart.

 

[Da Speeit]

Source for that plz

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/europe/russian-casualties-ukraine-military-readiness/index.html

One such assessment found that approximately 7,000 Russian troops have been killed so far, said one of the sources. But that figure, first reported by The New York Times, is on the higher end of US estimates, which vary because the US and its allies have no precise way of counting casualties. Some estimates place the number of Russian troops killed in Ukraine at about 3,000, whereas others suggest more than 10,000 have been killed.
So far, the number has been calculated largely via open source reporting from non-governmental organizations, the Ukrainian government, commercial satellite imagery, and intercepted Russian communications. US officials have also extrapolated numbers of dead based on the number of Russian tanks that have been destroyed, the sources said.

 

[Da Speeit]

Again you're full of shit posting nothing but nonsense. They are proving to be able to fight on a western level despite of the odds. You, yet again making shit up an smelling your own fart.

Based on what? Tweets?
I like both of you and have found you both informative, but while Dexter has his bias, so do you and will routinely post things that have a sympathetic slant to Ukraine bc that's how you feel. It's your right, but I don't think the Ukrainian military is as effective or surgical as all the heavily edited, speculative tweets you post.
They couldn't flush out Donbas in 7 years.

 

[Dexter]

Again you're full of shit posting nothing but nonsense. They are proving to be able to fight on a western level despite of the odds. You, yet again making shit up an smelling your own fart.

Why so much butthurt? Ever heard about a thing called "irony"?

 

[Darkballs]

Dude. Even the most anti-Russian guys in this thread were OK with kp.ru explanation about the "hack" and the numbers they "posted". Except you. Why are you so desperate?

Because the notion that the Russian state was hacked and false numbers were put up in a desperate effort to slander what you think is an amazing job, is stupid. That, and it's much more likely that the 10,000 dead, which line up with western and independent figures, is accurate and inadvertently posted before being taken down by a state that routinely stifles any negative news.

 

[Da Speeit]

Because the notion that the Russian state was hacked and false numbers were put up in a desperate effort to slander what you think is an amazing job, is stupid. That, and it's much more likely that the 10,000 dead, which line up with western and independent figures, is accurate and inadvertently posted before being taken down by a state that routinely stifles any negative news.

"Western Estimates" change daily and mean fuck all. There are zero "independent figures".

 

[Dexter]

They couldn't flush out Donbas in 7 years.

But they were fighting not sepratists but Russian Armed Forces. I keep hearing this from the Ukrainian YT channels for 8 years.

 

[Da Speeit]

But they were fighting not sepratists but Russian Armed Forces. I keep hearing this from the Ukrainian YT channels for 8 years.

Ukrainian fascists bombing civilian centers of an independent nation smh

 

[GhostZ06]

Why so much butthurt? Ever heard about a thing called "irony"?

When you start posting facts and stop making shit up.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Russia wanting or needing Kiev only exists if you're following the bullshit narrative that Putin wants to completely overthrow Ukraine, kill Zelensky, install a puppet and implement Ukraine into the Russian Empire. This is something that boomercon republicans, talking head democrats and a bunch of useful idiots on twitter, who all simp for the same fucking losers at the state department who were in basic/boot during the cold war and thought they were destined to overthrow russia used to jerk off to Red Dawn.

So if Putin DOESN'T want, and DIDN'T want, to overthrow the government in Kyiv, why was his reaction to the removal of Yanukovych, who wanted to put Ukraine in massive debt to Russia, met with the invasion of Crimea that same year?

If Putin doesn't care who runs Ukraine, why is he harbouring the former President of Ukraine in Russia, under military guard?

Why has he spoken so openly about denazifying Ukraine, whilst making no secret of the fact he considers Zelensky's government 'nazis'?

I think you might be engaging in what they call 'revisionism'.