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Russia/Ukraine Megathread V5

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When you say “take EVEN MORE strategic positions” can you please explicitly state what these positions are?

sure. I went into it here also

Plus, and I may be wrong, but isn't a lot of Eastern Ukraine farmland? Once they secure these Eastern urban areas, they will be able to push in much quicker. Reason is because if they had pushed through past a place like Mariupol earlier, they would be over extended and could be hit from forces within Mariupol, etc, in addition to forces further west.

Moreover, when being extened as they push further west, their lines would be targets for air strike and/or drones. It was just within like a week, this whole jet situation. Remember the original jets being talked about could have done air strikes, then they said those were too powerful and were going to give jets designed more for air fights rather than air strikes, but even those were pulled. So they wouldn't have wanted to be extended in farm land if Ukraine was going to get jets, but now it is irrelevant, and in the meantime Putin was htting airfields in Western Ukraine anyways.

So now there are no jets coming, no no fly zone, and the Eastern front secure, they can start driving into the middle from the East, which will further encricle Kiev, along with now being able to hit the cities in the south from a new front above them.

I think it is about to get much worse

But basically they can now or will be able to push in soon from the East. They could not before if Mariupol was still resisting because if their front moved past the City, rockets could far from beyond and they would be taking hits from behind. Same with Kharkiv. But once Mariupol is leveled, they can push in an then start shelling Kharkiv from the south. Along with being able to also start shelling the Southern urban areas that are resisting, they can start shelling them from North of them.



Incase of the paywall/needing to log in, here is the image without the city names, the red circles being cities. But as you can see they are pushing to surround Kharkiv now more from the south. Along with now having the northern flank of those southern cities now exposed as they are able to push in. If that new advantage allows them to make even more gains, they may be able to really push in and eventually position to Kiev's south East, further encircling it.

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Poland has like 50 armored brigades a lot of them with very very modern Leperod 2s.

Also got a lot of combat Experience in Afghanistan, also poland operates some pretty nasty SEAD missiles that we sold them.
but lol...
 
I find it odd that most of the comments seem to be pro Russian in Ben Shapiro YouTube channel whenever he talks about the war.
 
i think i'll reserve my judgement. its a crazy world we're living in these days. who knows what humanity is capable of when we've got men winning womens swimming competitions and people walking alone outside with a facemask on. hell, i just read some thread about how theyre trying to get us to give up eating meat for motherfucking lentils in spite of the inflation. i've pretty much lost faith in society.
You resume it quite well , no wonders I’ve been heavily drinking these last days and order poutine and pizza every nights
 
96-year-old Holocaust survivor killed in Russian shelling of Kharkiv

https://www.timesofisrael.com/96-year-old-holocaust-survivor-killed-in-russian-shelling-of-kharkiv/

Boris Romantschenko, who was not Jewish, survived four concentration camps including Bergen-Belsen and Buchenwald
By AFP21 Mar 2022, 8:49 pm

Boris Romantschenko appears at a memorial ceremony in Buchenwald in 2015. (Buchenwald and Mittelbau-Dora Memorials Foundation) Boris Romantschenko, who survived four Nazi concentration camps during World War II, has been killed by Russian shelling that struck his flat in the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv, the Buchenwald Memorial foundation said Monday. He was 96 years old.

“It is with dismay that we have to report the violent death of Boris Romantschenko in the war in Ukraine,” the Buchenwald and Mittelbau-Dora Memorials foundation said in a statement.

Romantschenko died at home on March 18, after his building was bombed in the heavily shelled eastern city, the statement said, citing information from his son and granddaughter.

Describing him as “a close friend,” the foundation said Romantschenko was committed to educating others about the horrors of the Nazi era, and had been vice president of the Buchenwald-Dora International Committee.

Romantschenko was born into a family of farmers in Bondari, near the Ukrainian city of Sumy, on January 20, 1926.

Although he was not Jewish, he was taken by German soldiers when he was 16 years old and deported to the German city of Dortmund in 1942 to work as a forced laborer, as part of Nazi intimidation tactics against the Ukrainian population at the time.

A failed escape attempt landed him in the notorious Buchenwald concentration camp in 1943. He also spent time in the camps of Peenemuende, where he was forced to help build V2 rockets, in Mittelbau-Dora, and in Bergen-Belsen.

“This is what they call the ‘operation of denazification,'” said the head of Ukraine’s presidential office, Andriy Yermak, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s widely discredited claim that ridding Ukraine of supposed Nazis was a key reason for Moscow’s invasion.

The whole world sees Russia’s cruelty,” Yermak added.

The Buchenwald Memorial said Romantschenko’s death “shows how dangerous the war in Ukraine is, also for concentration camp survivors.”

The foundation said it had partnered with 30 other remembrance groups and associations to set up an “aid network” to support former Nazi victims in Ukraine, including through donations of food and medicine.

It also plans to offer practical help to survivors fleeing Ukraine by picking them up from the Ukrainian border or finding them accommodation in Germany.

There are still approximately 42,000 survivors of Nazi crimes living in Ukraine, according to the aid network.
 
From interacting with a lot of non-Westerners and international news sources - mainstream and otherwise. Also from looking at the results of the UN resolution, with the understanding that the West applied a great deal of pressure to get smaller nations to agree with them, as well as understanding that some nations (like India and China) have their own internal issues that will colour any vote that pertains to separatists or notions of independence.
I also said that most of the world sympathises with their position - not that they're on the Russians' side completely. Obviously, no one can come out and cheer for the Russians' killing of Ukrainians, but pretty much everyone recognises NATO for what it is. And, as I said, only once the actual killing and tsunami of predominantly Western propaganda has passed will we really start to see honesty floating to the surface.

Look at India, the world's largest democracy, one of tomorrow's most important and powerful countries, and home to 1.4 billion people. The ruling, nationalist party refused to condemn Russia, and from the sidelines, the communists condemned NATO expansion. Speak to actual Indians, and half of them have long seen Putin as some sort of hero (they also loved Trump, for what it's worth).
China's being cautious, but do you really doubt that the Chinese sympathise with Russia's position? Either at the party or street level? That's another 1.4 billion people.
Here in Africa, most countries were pressured into condemning Russia, but you're crazy if you don't think that a lot of actual Africans see Putin as standing up against the colonial Western powers on behalf of the world. That's another 2 billion people split on the subject.

So, for example, look at this Nigerian article on the issue. Note, Nigeria voted against Russia and this article actually takes a somewhat pro-Ukraine position, but it still spends much of its word count condemning the Western powers and speaking very highly of Russia:





That's a mainstream Nigerian outlet, openly speaking about the potential for war with a Western power. Nigeria's a leading producers of oil and the strongest country on the continent. Mine is the second strongest, and we abstained from condemning Russia - with on-the-ground opinions predominantly appearing to sympathise more with the Russian perspective.

I know I complain about it a lot, but the Western perspective has wrapped itself in headlines from news sources that have proven themselves to be untrustworthy - and yet, in the midst of a war, Westerners somehow think that the purveyors of those headlines would choose right now to start being honest.
I'm not saying that the non-Western world is gearing up for a conflict or that everyone outside of the West is united in some wall of defiance against the West. Nothing as wild-eyed as that. But, in the West, you guys seem completely blind to what's going on in the majority of the world, and you tend to take very short-term perspectives on things. There was already a widespread and pre-existing distrust of the West and affection for Russia before this all popped off. Some people flat-out condemn Russia and some people praise them - but most are somewhere in the middle, sympathising with Russia's perspective, but regretting that blood is being shed. But, when the blood is no longer being shed, many will have to deal with the reality that they still have to trade, Russia is an important trading partner, and the West has tried to make it impossible to trade with Russia. They may also be reminded how much absolutely everyone hates the Western style of economic war and how much more of a threat it is to most countries' national sovereignty than the potential of Russian invasion.
As long as the fight is about Ukraine vs Russia, Russia looks bad - but the more people become aware that it's about Russia's national interests vs the West's globalist interests, the more they sympathise with Russia. Given how many people already sympathise with Russia, that doesn't bode well for the West.

I assume that that is why the West is trying to drag out the fight and pile up Ukrainian bodies - because, in truth, none are more cynical geopolitical players than the Western powers, and the more the bodies stack up, the better this war achieves the only real objective they appear to be trying to achieve: a PR win over Russia.



"Technology transfer" is a very vague concept on its own, and this is a very short-sighted perspective. Russia's technological capacity is underestimated in the West and they're aligned to one of the most powerful economies and manufacturing bases in the world. Considering the technological gaps both countries have closed (and overtaken, in a few areas) in a pretty short space of time, I think it's a mistake to assume that they won't further close the gap, eliminating their current reliance on the West. More likely, China will benefit from Russian technology as Russia becomes more reliant on the Chinese economy.

What the Western side has done in Ukraine is essentially armed and trained insurgents (as well as giving guns to swathes of civilians) to slow the Russian invasion of a country that the Russians would prefer not to completely flatten - Russia's "outdated tactics" are the tactics of not completely demolishing a country in the attempt to submit it, that's obviously going to be tougher than the Western tactic of annihilating the infrastructure and leaving the country in ruins.
The Western media's also done a good job of trying to focus everyone's attention on Kiev, when the important fighting has always been going on in the East.

Foreign investment is going to be a big problem. But, again, we'll see. As I say, my feeling is that Russia's long-established international relations will help it, as will their centrality to the Eurasian integration project - something that promises to benefit almost the entirety of the developing world, and so is far too important to sacrifice over bad PR and a kerfuffle in Europe. Russia is pretty self-sufficient, and they've long had to deal with meh foreign market opportunities outside of energy.




This has been a long and ongoing project. But the West doesn't appear to really recognise it.
The anti-Western bloc forming behind Russia is not anti-Western, it's pro-Eurasian and pro-having an alternative economic order to the one built, maintained, and sometimes weaponsied by the "collective West". It will become anti-Western if the West does not control its impulse to destroy this potential rival. It's probably too late to prevent this rising power bloc, so it's a good time for the West to stop behaving as though only its interests matter.

Because, setting aside who's lining up behind who with the Russia-Ukraine crisis, the West likely cannot win any form of confrontation with this rising power.
All of these are YOUR anti West opinions: "Ask Most Indians" "outdated tactics" "technologically underrated" "Here in Africa" There are no facts, and the idea that The World supports Russia is really absurd. The World wants peace not War. No one believes anyone would ever invade Russia, that is also absurd. There are a million ways this could have been handled without an invasion, Putin screwed up and his people will pay. You think being in bed with China is a positive? I do not even know where to begin here, but I can tell you China is no ally.
 
If the White Privilege Soy Libs have their way we will no longer be able to travel because of WAR/Pandemic/Climate. (Only Rich Elite will be able to do that). And then we will have to eat chemically produced Vegan products instead of meat. And all internet and media will be controlled by the Soy Lib thought police.
Did you get into the stupid pills again?
 
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