Russia/Ukraine Megathread V5

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russia was such a threat to slovenia and macedonia and thats why they joined nato...

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many of those countries are pressured to join nato if they want to join eu.

again since the fall of soviet union russia didn't invade any country, while nato members did.

Probably had something to do with all the literal genocide the Serbs were carrying out in the area.
 
russia was such a threat to slovenia and macedonia and thats why they joined nato...

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many of those countries are pressured to join nato if they want to join eu.

again since the fall of soviet union russia didn't invade any country, while nato members did.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and then again in 2022.
 
Did Putin ever mention regime change tho, or did he? I thought he had been saying since the start that he wants the two Eastern territories to be independent (but yes I know he would install pro Russian leaders), and keeping Ukraine from joining NATO. Plus hasn't it been Zelenskyy (with the wests backing) asking for peace talks and not vice versa?

I still stand by with what I said when first discussed tho.. that this is the intel from a Ukrainian and even phrasing it as Putin's lair so the Oligarchs can't flee seems a bit fantastical. Moreover, it has been 20 days now and it seems like Russia is only accelerating their offense, rather than slowing down from not being able to sustain it.

And now the other thing I had quoted yesterday says another 10 days and they will be not able to sustain again, and this is from a retired general. Is he actually involved and receiving intel, or is that just his keyboard analysis?

Putin called Ukraine an illegitimate country that exists on Russian territory. "Denazification" and "demilitarization" was in his list of demands which is essentially regime change.
 
If the shot was fired from the upper left corner (a good 3-4 seconds before it hit the tank), then my guess is as good as yours..
A Javelin maybe..?


Brilliant, just saw that the Javelin has a top attack mode to destroy tanks, he probably was able to aim at the tank for a brief second and the missile just went up.
 
Only a selfish retard would drag another country and its people into its war.

If he valued Ukrainian lives he would give Putin what he wants, which isn't too much.

Such a shit take. Yes, the guy defending his country is the selfish one.

The guy defending his country is the guy who truly hates Ukrainians - Putin LOVES them and wants to save them by dropping bombs on their cities!

You are a clown.
 
Only a selfish retard would drag another country and its people into its war.

If he valued Ukrainian lives he would give Putin what he wants, which isn't too much.
If you keep reading you will see in my comment that I don't want war, and I believe it's all grandstanding for support to go to war.

But I'm not on board with just giving putin what he wants either. I support Ukraines right to defend itself, but I don't the US involved physically.
 
So a protest by citizens who rejected the policies of their government resulting in the democratic election of a new one is a coup, but a referendum after a literal invasion is legitimate and the will of the people who live there?

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Every time in this thread I see a poster talking to themselves I have to remind myself I blocked that guy. I’m not sure why anyone engages with him. Nothing will come of it. He is intellectually dishonest, and morally corrupt. We should just let his posts wither away.
 
That doesn’t make any sense because Latvia is a member of NATO. If they simply didn’t want a member of NATO on their border they would’ve attacked Latvia too.

I wonder what would've happened if a guy like Putin was president in the 90's, instead of Yeltsin.

We had 20-30k (more than our army) russian troops stationed here until late '94, and they just dropped their weapons and fucked off.

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So a protest by citizens who rejected the policies of their government resulting in the democratic election of a new one is a coup, but a referendum after a literal invasion is legitimate and the will of the people who live there?

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so insurrectionists (backed by foreign governments) removing their democratically elected president in a coup is legit

but people exercising their right of self determination, after their democratically elected president was removed in a coup, is not?

also whats the point of bringing up "invasion"? us invaded afghanistan and iraq, does that mean their democratic decisions are not legit? what about kosovo? they declared independence after nato invasion. does that mean it's illegitimate state?
 


lol why is there even a tank advancing by itself through enemy territory without any support.

Did no one tell them about the thousands of Ukrainians armed with man portable anti-tank missiles?
 
where are you getting “won’t be able to sustain after X days” from? When you pack a bag for a trip you pack it for X days. When you run out you need to be re supplied. So if you have a direct communication line and uninterrupted delivery system you shouldn’t have to wait long to keep going. When communication AND supply lines are damaged, you are going to be waiting a long time. Then you add on the fact they have to supply over a hundred thousand men, and you start running into serious logistic trouble. How much money does Pootin have to even afford resupplying? Can he afford another 21 days of this? And at what cost?

Well, as I have pointed out, the EU is still getting oil from them. Moreover, India and China agreed to increase oil from them, so they are clearly still getting money.

As for the X days, I already posted the original tweet discussed last thread, where they said Putin can only sustain for about 10 days before having to negotiate. If it continues even for just 21 more days, they clearly were more sustainable than that twitter thread indicated

Then the tweet yesterday saying they will max out in about 10 days due to manpower and ammunition problems. That very well may be the case, but it is a retired general who is not directly involved saying that, so I had only been commenting that I don't know how likely that prediction is. And of course you need to be resupplied, but resupplying is part of sustaining. If they are able to resupply that is the opposite of not being able to sustain.

And I comment on these because it seems like not accurate information and it was/is making people think Russia is about to have to give up and/or Ukraine is about to turn the tide and start pushing Russia back because they are unable to keep this up. Meanwhile, Russia has only accelerated their offense and are encircling/beseiging various cities.

Even just today, Zelenskyy said Ukraine will not be joining NATO, which was one of Putin's main demands.



Again, I have been saying this because I think Zelenskyy should agree to Putin's terms of last week (he already now saying he won't join NATO, the only other part of the terms was the two eastern territories). I also had commented that they longer he draws this out, not only will more Ukrainians die, but it is going to push Putin in further. For instance, if he now takes Odessa, why would he give it back if he now has an Eastern land bridge and then now takes Odessa. He would likely want to keep it, as it would then connect him to Transnistria and then he would have the entire east, south, and North (Belarus). Well low and behold, it is seems he will starting a naval seige of Odessa

they are unable to sustain this conflict, yet he is opening up a new naval front? That does not make sense.

 
georgia attacked south ossetia 1st

chechnya is russian territory

and crimeans exercised their right of self determination (after us backed coup in kiev) to leave ukraine and rejoin russia

now should we list all the agression committed by nato members?
Everyone they take over is obviously their territory now...

List whatever you want. I'm not blinded into thinking we are above being criticized. But I don't feel like this is a good move on Putins behalf...
I'm not pro Ukraine or anti everything Russian. I'm pro US, but I don't think we're perfect and will criticize anything I don't agree with. My opinion on this current situation is I believe Ukraine should remain as it is without Russian interference, but I don't want the US physically involved to keep it that way...

With that said, I'm on the other side of the world and it doesn't affect me, aside from the side effects of war.
 
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and then again in 2022.

by "invaded" you mean people in crimea and donbass region rebelled after their democratically elected president was removed in a coup and western puppets took control of the country? cool...

now how many countries were invaded by nato members?
 
looked like a mine to me as i dont see any projectile zoom across the screen

I mean this stuff is so fast you're not likely to see it.

There is a weapon being fired from the forest in the top left, so it was probably some form of anti-tank missile.
 
i hope they dont fuck up kiev and odessa too badly. too of my fav places to live/travel
 
If the shot was fired from the upper left corner (a good 3-4 seconds before it hit the tank), then my guess is as good as yours..
A Javelin maybe..?

I thought it might be a mine as well. It’s coming over ditch and the explosion take place right as the tanks front comes down. I didn’t think a mine could do that to a tank though.


Here is a screen shot of the moment it explodes. Which appears to be coming from the side. The javelin is designed to come from the top down and crack the tank where the armor is thinnest.

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