International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

The plane is a complete fake like the rest of his post, that's why it doesn't look like anything in the Russian inventory. Ukraine cheerleaders are morons and the Ukrainians know it, that's why they don't even bother making their propaganda realistic in any way, they know they don't need to because their audience is retarded.

Case in point, this. How'd that work out? Every Challenger got wrecked or withdrawn to the rear areas after the Ukrainians realized they were shit tanks.


I am tempted to do 'irony' meme after your every such post.

They could have had a child hand drawn airplane for illustration purposes it would have made as much practical difference. You're using distraction and deflection techniques to draw attention away from the fact Russians lost Su34 and there's likely a leak somewhere.


Remind me what's the best tank again against drones? The truth is they all kind of suck. This is why we were all partially wrong four years ago to where the war was heading.

I am still waiting for a higher quality post from you. We're due for one.
 
Every Challenger get wrecked ....is pure propaganda.
☆ ppl with real interest about tanks long ago knew a lot of their pros and cons and had posted these things in this thread BEFORE they even get supplied for Ukr....
Plus sorry, russians with real interest about technique never had ...posted that they are shit...
Nor here nor in russian forums...
Only idiots....
Plus their limitations are well known long before 2004 th, not alone before 2022 th.
Also their strong points too.....

If was real technical interest not trolling or propaganda......
 
Plus Challenger if with rifled gun is ....super good for indirect fire support... gun ofc does also have limitations cos rifled barrel, however some cons and some pros.
Ballistic calculator from 1994 th is still good stuff. Even these from 1988 th...
 
Plus in european militaries cos exercises exp they does have certain reputation.... long ago btw.
Challenger 120 mm rifled gun for firing in distances 1500 - 4000 m is considered as very precise....
However lesser ammo choice and rifled barrel ofc limits or reduces some ammo type effectivity...... for some ammo types no.... it depends.

The same ol well known 105 mm rifled gun ( Leo 1 and M60A3 had this ) does have huge variety of ammo types ....more than this 120 mm rifled.

M60A3 if gun is in very good condition ....too were precise....

Ofc smoothbore does have pros for APDS ( darts ) and doesn't reduce cummulative ammo effect etc.

Sabbot ( stuff holding " dart " ) better feels in smoothbore gun plus easier to reach high speed.
for " dart " most important is to reach very high speed ....
Cummulative ammo doesn't loves rifled barrels...

Therefore 120 mm smoothbore now are mainstream...
 
Funny is also comparision : if ukr had lost some challenger tanks manufactured before first Iraq war...then it is cool win...
If russia had lost new T-90 + not for export version from 2023 th... then nothing special.
Plus ukr had collected some cos they were abadoned because fuel 0...and used them, also ofc yanks get some such tank.
 
Plus exactly tanks are nice sfuff to see how delusional are propagandists and trolls insisting that matushka is fighting vs bad nato....
L2A4 wasn't old model till 1992 th.
L2A6 isn't new model too.
Now from L2 lineage L2A7 and + models are considered as new. Soon will be L2A8.

From Abrams : M1A1 series long ago aren't new.
More or lesser new are M1A2Sep3....
While russia is using also manufactured in 2023 th and 2024 th T90 versions ....
 
Case in point, this. How'd that work out? Every Challenger got wrecked or withdrawn to the rear areas after the Ukrainians realized they were shit tanks.
Indeed.
Same for the M1 Abrams tank, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, and the F-16.
A lot of faith now being put in the Ukrainian Flamingo missile. Ukraine also has the modified Neptune missile. Good range, but neither with the capabilities of a mid to long range Russian missile armed with a conventional warhead. I would like to see Ukraine strike Russia with their missiles and see what the Russian response would be. Peace talks out the window of course. Another escalation by Ukraine -- or Zelensky I should say.
...and again, I'm surprised Putin has not leveled Kiev in the past 4 years. Bring an end to this conflict.

Drones are really the primary tools being used by both sides as you mentioned in an earlier post. Too small in my opinion and lacking any real punching power a 1/2 kiloton conventional warhead would have. Again, not sure why Russia is not using bigger missiles in Ukraine. All this just makes this conflict drag on. The only reason would be to see the Ukrainian Army grind itself down to the point of being combat ineffective. Things are certainly going in that direction.
 
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Plus in european militaries cos exercises exp they does have certain reputation.... long ago btw.
Challenger 120 mm rifled gun for firing in distances 1500 - 4000 m is considered as very precise....
However lesser ammo choice and rifled barrel ofc limits or reduces some ammo type effectivity...... for some ammo types no.... it depends.

The same ol well known 105 mm rifled gun ( Leo 1 and M60A3 had this ) does have huge variety of ammo types ....more than this 120 mm rifled.

M60A3 if gun is in very good condition ....too were precise....

Ofc smoothbore does have pros for APDS ( darts ) and doesn't reduce cummulative ammo effect etc.

Sabbot ( stuff holding " dart " ) better feels in smoothbore gun plus easier to reach high speed.
for " dart " most important is to reach very high speed ....
Cummulative ammo doesn't loves rifled barrels...

Therefore 120 mm smoothbore now are mainstream...
lol i used to have steel thunder for the c64 and i would always roll with m60a3 over the m1

bradley owned though with TOW and the bushmaster just chewed up BMPs & BTRs
 
Again, not sure why Russia is not using bigger missiles in Ukraine. All this just makes this conflict drag on.

Several risks are involved, I'll write quickly just two very simple ones. They don't completely guarantee the desired victory although surely cost the enemy heavy civilian losses. But there's another more obvious reason, Rus is a vast territory with several "frozen" conflicts than can turn hot in an instant. Rus borders left and right armies that dislike them more than AFU does and are more capable. Some stuff is too precious and shouldn't be depleted.
 
Ruski Telegram (soon to go to MAX lol)

This evening, Ukrainian Nazis launched another massive missile strike on Belgorod.

As in previous attacks, the enemy is methodically attacking the power grid, seeking to "turn off the lights" throughout the region.

Power outages are being reported in the city. Emergency services are making every effort to deal with the aftermath of the attack.
 
IGOR STRELKOV ON THE NEGOTIATIONS IN GENEVA

I know nothing about their progress at this point, but I remain deeply convinced that they will most likely end in nothing. The odds are roughly 9 to 1 that they will end on the same grounds as they began. That is, Ukrainian proposals on Donbas will not satisfy the Russian side, and Russian proposals will be categorically rejected by Kyiv.

In the one case against nine that I'm talking about, if we suddenly agree to Ukraine's terms, it will only mean a very short and extremely disadvantageous suspension of military action, during which NATO troops will be deployed to Ukraine. After that, the war will resume—naturally, we'll be blamed for it.

And we'll have to fight much harder than we're currently fighting. Although even now, we're fighting very hard and not exactly successfully.
 
Indeed.
Same for the M1 Abrams tank, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, and the F-16.
A lot of faith now being put in the Ukrainian Flamingo missile. Ukraine also has the modified Neptune missile. Good range, but neither with the capabilities of a mid to large range Russian missile armed with conventional warhead. I would like to see Ukraine strike Russia with their missiles and see what the Russian response would be. Peace talks out the window of course. Another escalation by Ukraine -- or Zelensky I should say.
...and again, I'm surprised Putin has not leveled Kiev in the past 4 years. Bring an end to this conflict.

Drones are really the primary tools being used by both sides as you mentioned in an earlier post. Too small in my opinion and lacking any real punching power a 1/2 kiloton conventional warhead would have. Again, not sure why Russia is not using bigger missiles in Ukraine. All this just makes this conflict drag on. The only reason would be to see the Ukrainian Army grind itself down to the point of being combat ineffective. Things are certainly going in that direction.

The reason the SMO is taking so long is because the objectives are much broader than almost everyone realizes. Most people think it's just about neutralizing the Ukraine and removing that particular threat to Russian security, that's the officially stated goals of the war. And it would've stayed that way if NATO hadn't gotten involved as much as it did. However, once NATO committed to the war the objectives changed for Russia, they now intend to neutralize Europe and remove it as a threat as well which is why the SMO is taking as long as it is.

Russia is also waging an economic & social war against Europe using Ukraine as a proxy. Every day the war continues, more arms and money are drained from Europe and funnelled into the Ukraine for destruction. The economic sanctions are also fucking up the EU economy and de-industrializing Germany, France, and all the other major EU powers, the longer the war goes on the less industry Europe will have and this kills their ability to re-arm. It's also causing a lot of social unrest across Europe, the people are starting to get sick of rising living costs & unemployment and it doesn't help that social benefits are also getting cut to fund the war. Add in millions of Ukrainian refugees sucking more money out of their budgets and that's a recipe for some serious resentment. Give it another couple years and there won't be enough social cohesion left to start a war against Russia even if the European leaders want to do so.

And finally there's the US. Russia & China have figured out that they can probably do the same thing to the US that they're doing to Europe IF, and that's a big if, they play their cards right. They don't want the US completely defeated since that's likely not possible and will leave a power vacuum, but they are looking for ways to knock the US back down to a regional power instead of global one. China's already started the economic war with their export bans along with moving their trade away from the US. They've also started taking over international commerce and moving trade away from US dollars and into Yuans, Rubles, Reals, and other local currencies. The US is being economically weakened while having to deal with increasing tensions & social unrest at home, this trend will continue since the political leaders are too fucking stupid to figure out what's going on let alone do anything about it.

Bottom line - Ukraine war is a piece of a much bigger puzzle. It's a large & important piece, but it's still only a piece. If the goal was simply to destroy & conquer the Ukraine, it would've been over long ago. The full goal is a complete realignment of global powers & areas of influence, that's gonna take a while and will continue long after the SMO in Ukraine is over.
 
The reason the SMO is taking so long is because the objectives are much broader than almost everyone realizes. Most people think it's just about neutralizing the Ukraine and removing that particular threat to Russian security, that's the officially stated goals of the war. And it would've stayed that way if NATO hadn't gotten involved as much as it did. However, once NATO committed to the war the objectives changed for Russia, they now intend to neutralize Europe and remove it as a threat as well which is why the SMO is taking as long as it is.

Russia is also waging an economic & social war against Europe using Ukraine as a proxy. Every day the war continues, more arms and money are drained from Europe and funnelled into the Ukraine for destruction. The economic sanctions are also fucking up the EU economy and de-industrializing Germany, France, and all the other major EU powers, the longer the war goes on the less industry Europe will have and this kills their ability to re-arm. It's also causing a lot of social unrest across Europe, the people are starting to get sick of rising living costs & unemployment and it doesn't help that social benefits are also getting cut to fund the war. Add in millions of Ukrainian refugees sucking more money out of their budgets and that's a recipe for some serious resentment. Give it another couple years and there won't be enough social cohesion left to start a war against Russia even if the European leaders want to do so.

And finally there's the US. Russia & China have figured out that they can probably do the same thing to the US that they're doing to Europe IF, and that's a big if, they play their cards right. They don't want the US completely defeated since that's likely not possible and will leave a power vacuum, but they are looking for ways to knock the US back down to a regional power instead of global one. China's already started the economic war with their export bans along with moving their trade away from the US. They've also started taking over international commerce and moving trade away from US dollars and into Yuans, Rubles, Reals, and other local currencies. The US is being economically weakened while having to deal with increasing tensions & social unrest at home, this trend will continue since the political leaders are too fucking stupid to figure out what's going on let alone do anything about it.

Bottom line - Ukraine war is a piece of a much bigger puzzle. It's a large & important piece, but it's still only a piece. If the goal was simply to destroy & conquer the Ukraine, it would've been over long ago. The full goal is a complete realignment of global powers & areas of influence, that's gonna take a while and will continue long after the SMO in Ukraine is over.

This is some more extensive mental gymnastics coupled with 'alternative facts'.

So Russia which now doesn't even have the economy of Italy will single-handedly bankrupt and ruin the whole of Europe/NATO/Western world? Do you hear yourself?

There's so much cope in that post. This could be your second worst post after the one from X where you pretended Ukraine was suffering 40 to 1 losses on defense or whatever it was.

Countries which are not directly involved in the war are somehow getting destroyed by Russian glorious 'rope a dope' techniques. Losing most usable tanks and transport vehicles was a typical Russian feint. We also shouldn't pay any attention to Russians using literal donkeys and horses on the front lines. Yes that will surely cause dedollarization and collapse of US world hegemony.... :/

Lets not forget that Russo-Ukrainian War is only at about halfway point when compared to average historical wars. At some point in the next three years the US might get a president who's not senile nor moron and start using all levers of NATO and US might. Right now Ukraine is making do with minimal military support from the West and with long delays. Had NATO actually entered this war as Russia pretends it did, Russia would have been pushed back to its territory.

Right now the Russian advantage is drones technology and scale production. That's it. That advantage will go away very soon.
 
Right now the Russian advantage is drones technology and scale production. That's it. That advantage will go away very soon.

army size, ammunition, electric warfare, intermediate-range ballistic missiles, artillery, etc.

you really reached for those grapes lol
 
army size, ammunition, electric warfare, intermediate-range ballistic missiles, artillery, etc.

you really reached for those grapes lol


We're talking about technology that is disruptive to the Western military doctrines. Everything else is Soviet era.

Russia must be holding back its real army......and begging DPRK for artillery shells for no reason...

You may want to check what year this is...

Maybe you want to remind us about Russian nukes too?
 
North Korea is supplying Russia not only artillery shells for howitzers, also for field guns.
Also they had supplied self propelled howitzers.
North Korea also is supplying Russia MRLS launchers and rockets for them.
North Korea had supplied also ballistic missiles.
 
Some from very North Korea specific weapons they had supplied are : 170 mm self propelled howitzers and 107 mm MRLS systems .... also KH ballistic missiles.

From more common calibers : 152 mm and 122 mm ammunition for howitzers.
Also 130 mm ammunition for long range guns....
Mortars ammo in soviet calibers ..
 
Belarus had supplied : tanks, APCs, IFVs, ammumition for 122 mm and 220 mm MRLS systems, ammunition for tanks , ammunition for 152 mm and 122 mm howitzers, also refubrished and upgraded ussr era radars ( their MIC is doing repairs, refubrishment and upgrades for these )....

It is suspected that Belarus also had supplied ammo for 203 mm self propelled howitzers....
Since Lukashenko and their PM in public had confirmed supplies it isn't possible to deny this...
Kim had in open text that had supplied and will continue to supply weapons and ammunition...
 
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