International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[Strychnine]

 

[Strychnine]

The meat grinder, grinds on...

 

[San Marino]

Some AI type rhetoric. Looks good but lacks reality.

Similar to what you and others post in this thread.

 

[San Marino]

Your proof that ethnic Russians don't support Ukraine is what?

That Russia was fighting in the Donbass long before the 2022 invasion.
That Ukrainians hate the Russian ethnic minority and anyone who speaks Russian.
That the Zelensky regime has allowed the Russian ethnic minority to be brutalized prior to the 2022 invasion.

In like 2.5 months Ukraine knocked out 40 fucking percent of Russian refineries....could you cope any harder?

That is about the time it took Russia to take over 20% of Ukraine.

Ukraine just has to keep doing what it's doing and Russia will implode sooner than later....

Actually, Ukraine will be the one whose economy will fail and eventually lose this war to Russia.

If we had a president with some balls this war would be going far better...

Are you talking about Trump or Zelensky?
Well, Biden allowed Russia to invade Ukraine. Did he have any balls compared to Trump?

 

[San Marino]

Second of all, I don't understand your aggression towards me.

He is an idiot! That is what he does.

 

[San Marino]

You really so dumb that your echo chamber has convinced you that Ukraine is more corrupt than Turkey?

Ukraine was not blocked because of corruption; it was blocked because of the risk of going to war against Russia. Ukraine is unique in this aspect.

 

[ChessJitsu]

Ukraine was not blocked because of corruption; it was blocked because of the risk of going to war against Russia. Ukraine is unique in this aspect.

what specific year is everybody referencing?

Literally before the Maidan revolution, Ukraine was turning West then East then neutral, etc...

How do you even accept a member like that when it wasn't obvious if they could stick to one direction?

Then after the Maidan revolution Russia annexed Crimea which automatically gave them the issue of having a land dispute with Russia to disqualify them.

 

[ChessJitsu]

accepting the Baltic states was totally risky and the West did it.

It was a huge blow to Russia's interests.

 

[ChessJitsu]

That's because Russia has no independent media inside Russia. So now anyone that is not in Russia is a propagandist...how convenient...so they must either get murdered or jailed to be considered real Russian journalists...

they don't have to be Russian journalists, they could be any type of journalists, just not agenda institutions.

They have a clear political mission, they're very obvious about it, so they report things and present things in a way that serves that political mission.

Hence it's not objective.

It's like the Epoch Times and its relationship to the Communist China.

It exists strictly to slander the Chinese government 24/7 (and again, I'm not criticizing their agenda, I'm strictly highlighting that these are biased institutions)

That data is compiled from openly available data sources...

what are we talking about here, the fuel stuff?

with regards to that, it's possible that some successful Ukrainian oil strikes are actually minor and get repaired easily, or some are reported as successes but really aren't.

data is an attempt to represent our world in numbers and the way every data point is collected isn't perfect because of real world variables.

that's why Trump consistently outperforms data expectations and economists end up being wrong about things.

It's quite strange the most populated cities are not sending their people to war. It's very convenient to send your ethnic minorities from far flung places where they won't be missed....

so again, you took a fact and led yourself to a conclusion because of your bias and agenda (and again, it's okay to have biases and agendas. It's a natural human thing. Maybe you're Ukrainian. Maybe your heart bleeds for your homeland. I understand, everything here is tragic).

During the Soviet Union Afghan war, there was an observed pattern that people from all the major republics were mobilized disproportionately when it comes to their cities vs rural areas.

It wasn't just Moscow and St. Petersburg, it was also Kiev, it was also Tashkent.

It's a systemic thing that might even go back to the Napoleonic wars.

I don't have answers here.

Maybe it's an economic thing. Maybe it has something to do with mobilization challenges in cities. I have no idea. Maybe, as you suspect, there's something insidious about it.

What choice do Russians have in Russia but to be 'apolitical'? What choice do Russians have but to publicly support Putin? You're pretending like it's all consistent of things you'd see in the West...it's like asking a North Korean what they think of their Supreme Leader...he's amazing...he's the best...he wants the best for his country...while some of them are eating dirt ...

It's normal to criticize Putin in Russia but obviously limits are imposed on people with respect to that.

Again, it's complicated and fascinating.

There's a lot of stories to tell about how Russian celebrities behave in regards to that:

• Pugacheva ran away to Israel and cried for the pain and suffering going on in Ukraine. She's a musical giant in Russia and her heart couldn't handle it.
• Some big Russian rapper, Morgenshtein or something like that, protested the war and called it a war when it was illegal (it's still illegal I think but people care less about watching their speech) then fled to Kazakhstan. Somehow he came back a couple of years later and kept his stance but didn't call it a war on television again (but kept implying it and protesting against the war in a very special way of communicating)
• Then there's Sobchak, who is the daughter of some important KGB guy who had a big influence on Putin. She seems to be able to protest the war and say bad things about the current regime without getting in trouble. Some speculate that Putin has uncle-like sentiments towards her because she's the daughter of that important KGB guy

It seems like you don't understand a lot about Russian society and Russia as a country.

Yes, the democracy they legally practice isn't a real form of democracy.

Yes, there are human rights abuses.

In my opinion, these are all symptoms of poverty.

People talk as if there are examples of poor countries with strong democratic infrastructure.

I wrote about this topic before- I'll try to scroll back on the pages and find it later.

A lot of people who post on this thread seem to be really dense-minded.

The vulgarity, the rudeness, etc., it's so immature and pathetic.

 

[ChessJitsu]

BTW from pragmatic point for China is very good long war in Ukraine. This weakens russian finances and is putting more and more Russia into chinesse vassal.
Very huge dependence from import from China...starting with cheap crap till something more expensive. Russia can't without this..China might afford even not trade with Russia.
They had accumulated damn huge stockpiles of nickel....crude oil they might purchase and are purchasing also from Iran and if will want, from U.S too.

For Putin from one point is super good very long war in ukraine: ukr will accumulate more debts and not only state treasury and municipalities, also companies and casuals private persons.
More debts : better for Putin and bottlemates.

OK, Russia will struggle and still if it will better in future it is worth to prolong war as long as it will be possible.

everybody agrees and understands that China has won the most from this war.

 

[ChessJitsu]

so this is Morgenstern with Sobchak in a Russian talk show.

he asks her "who started the war in Ukraine?"

she answers "what do you mean? Russia started the war in Ukraine by sending soldiers across the border"

he says "well there- you said it, so why am I an interagent (someone working for interests of the West) and you're not?"

and the crowd and internet commentators erupt in applause for his wit.

My cousins are very against the war and aren't afraid to talk about it.

There's space for that, but there are also a lot of lines that exist there that don't exist in the West.

There are certain words you say and things you do that get you inflicted with state violence.

For example, if you disrespect the Russian flag and there's proof of that, you get violently arrested by state security forces.

It's complex and fascinating.

Doubt some of you knuckleheads would even try to understand though. All some of you understand is hate.

 

[Cid]

so this is Morgenstern with Sobchak in a Russian talk show.

he asks her "who started the war in Ukraine?"

she answers "what do you mean? Russia started the war in Ukraine by sending soldiers across the border"

he says "well there- you said it, so why am I an interagent (someone working for interests of the West) and you're not?"

and the crowd and internet commentators erupt in applause for his wit.

My cousins are very against the war and aren't afraid to talk about it.

There's space for that, but there are also a lot of lines that exist there that don't exist in the West.

There are certain words you say and things you do that get you inflicted with state violence.

For example, if you disrespect the Russian flag and there's proof of that, you get violently arrested by state security forces.

It's complex and fascinating.

Doubt some of you knuckleheads would even try to understand though. All some of you understand is hate.

 

[ChessJitsu]

also a big reason why a big chunk of Russians are apolitical is because they're ultimately too family-oriented to focus enough beyond their families. This applies to the republics as well.

They get culturally instilled to love Russia passionately but at the same will emigrate in waves because they ultimately care about their families more than their patriotism.

 

[ChessJitsu]

what does this mean lol

 

[San Marino]

so this is Morgenstern with Sobchak in a Russian talk show.

he asks her "who started the war in Ukraine?"

she answers "what do you mean? Russia started the war in Ukraine by sending soldiers across the border"

Prior to Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine, Russian-backed separatists and the Ukrainian military were already fighting a war in the Dombas region since 2014. The 2022 Russian invasion is an escalation of that war. Most people in this thread don't know this. They think it was just something Putin thought up overnight and did it the next day.

 

[ChessJitsu]

Prior to Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine, Russian-backed separatists and the Ukrainian military were already fighting a war in the Dombas region since 2014. The 2022 Russian invasion is an escalation of that war. Most people in this thread don't know this. They think it was just something Putin thought up overnight and did it the next day.

a lot of layers and complex philosophical topics.

 

[SandisLL]

they don't have to be Russian journalists, they could be any type of journalists, just not agenda institutions.

They have a clear political mission, they're very obvious about it, so they report things and present things in a way that serves that political mission.

Hence it's not objective.

It's like the Epoch Times and its relationship to the Communist China.

It exists strictly to slander the Chinese government 24/7 (and again, I'm not criticizing their agenda, I'm strictly highlighting that these are biased institutions)



what are we talking about here, the fuel stuff?

with regards to that, it's possible that some successful Ukrainian oil strikes are actually minor and get repaired easily, or some are reported as successes but really aren't.

data is an attempt to represent our world in numbers and the way every data point is collected isn't perfect because of real world variables.

that's why Trump consistently outperforms data expectations and economists end up being wrong about things.



so again, you took a fact and led yourself to a conclusion because of your bias and agenda (and again, it's okay to have biases and agendas. It's a natural human thing. Maybe you're Ukrainian. Maybe your heart bleeds for your homeland. I understand, everything here is tragic).

During the Soviet Union Afghan war, there was an observed pattern that people from all the major republics were mobilized disproportionately when it comes to their cities vs rural areas.

It wasn't just Moscow and St. Petersburg, it was also Kiev, it was also Tashkent.

It's a systemic thing that might even go back to the Napoleonic wars.

I don't have answers here.

Maybe it's an economic thing. Maybe it has something to do with mobilization challenges in cities. I have no idea. Maybe, as you suspect, there's something insidious about it.



It's normal to criticize Putin in Russia but obviously limits are imposed on people with respect to that.

Again, it's complicated and fascinating.

There's a lot of stories to tell about how Russian celebrities behave in regards to that:

• Pugacheva ran away to Israel and cried for the pain and suffering going on in Ukraine. She's a musical giant in Russia and her heart couldn't handle it.
• Some big Russian rapper, Morgenshtein or something like that, protested the war and called it a war when it was illegal (it's still illegal I think but people care less about watching their speech) then fled to Kazakhstan. Somehow he came back a couple of years later and kept his stance but didn't call it a war on television again (but kept implying it and protesting against the war in a very special way of communicating)
• Then there's Sobchak, who is the daughter of some important KGB guy who had a big influence on Putin. She seems to be able to protest the war and say bad things about the current regime without getting in trouble. Some speculate that Putin has uncle-like sentiments towards her because she's the daughter of that important KGB guy

It seems like you don't understand a lot about Russian society and Russia as a country.

Yes, the democracy they legally practice isn't a real form of democracy.

Yes, there are human rights abuses.

In my opinion, these are all symptoms of poverty.

People talk as if there are examples of poor countries with strong democratic infrastructure.

I wrote about this topic before- I'll try to scroll back on the pages and find it later.

A lot of people who post on this thread seem to be really dense-minded.

The vulgarity, the rudeness, etc., it's so immature and pathetic.

How you might pretend that you know anything about USSR - Afganistan war, comrade?

How old you are? Real question.

Because you are posting here statements about USSR war in Afganistan get from somewhere but not from real life.

1. USSR didn't had conducted any mobilization for war in Afganistan.
0 mobilization....
• they had used professional forces ( yes USSR too had pros but small % from army )
• plus ofc ... casual mandatory military service conscripts!
0 mobiks.....

 

[ChessJitsu]

How you might pretend that you know anything about USSR - Afganistan war, comrade?

How old you are? Real question.

Because you are posting here statements about USSR war in Afganistan get from somewhere but not from real life.

1. USSR didn't had conducted any mobilization for war in Afganistan.
0 mobilization....
• they had used professional forces ( yes USSR too had pros but small % from army )
• plus ofc ... casual mandatory military service conscripts!
0 mobiks.....

625,000 professional forces?

Soviet–Afghan War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

wtf.

The Afghan war was like the Vietnam war for America. Every village and community in Russia has people with mental health issues because they served in that war.

 

[SandisLL]

so this is Morgenstern with Sobchak in a Russian talk show.

he asks her "who started the war in Ukraine?"

she answers "what do you mean? Russia started the war in Ukraine by sending soldiers across the border"

he says "well there- you said it, so why am I an interagent (someone working for interests of the West) and you're not?"

and the crowd and internet commentators erupt in applause for his wit.

My cousins are very against the war and aren't afraid to talk about it.

There's space for that, but there are also a lot of lines that exist there that don't exist in the West.

There are certain words you say and things you do that get you inflicted with state violence.

For example, if you disrespect the Russian flag and there's proof of that, you get violently arrested by state security forces.

It's complex and fascinating.

Doubt some of you knuckleheads would even try to understand though. All some of you understand is hate.

You are calling ppl here knuckleheads etc because you are thinking that we don't see your propaganda job here?

 

[SandisLL]

625,000 professional forces?

Soviet–Afghan War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

wtf.

The Afghan war was like the Vietnam war for America. Every village and community in Russia has people with mental health issues because they served in that war.

I don't think that you are human....

More looks like chatbot.
wikipedia article link...
I too might edit wikipedia article....

☆ plus one thing is to mention total number used during 10 years or number used in one moment.....