International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[pugilistico]

The people of Zaporizia and Kherson want to be under Russian control? I guess you missed the city wide celebration when UKR drove the invaders out.

Zelensky has to give up those people. I feel sorry for the people who have live under Russian occupation. Torture and rapes for people of all ages.

 

[SoSo]

About 30% of both cities identify as Russian.

And? 30% of my Metropolitan area are illegal Mexicans and central Americans. Does that mean we should give it over to the Mexicans and Guatemalans?

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

Some good news....

Ukraine Is Jamming Russian Glide Bombs All Along The Front Line

It now takes up to 16 glide bombs to hit one target.

www.forbes.com

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A year ago, Russian air force fighter-bombers were lobbing a hundred glide bombs every day all along the 800-mile front line of Russia’s wider war on Ukraine.

The satellite-guided KAB or UMPK glide-bombs, each traveling 25 miles or farther under pop-out wings, were a “miracle weapon” for the Russians, the Ukrainian Deep State analysis group noted at the time. And the Ukrainians had “practically no countermeasures.”

Russian forces settled into a comfortable routine. Glide bombs rained down on Ukrainian defenses. As the dust cleared, Russian infantry attacked the battered and traumatized Ukrainian survivors. The bomb-first, assault-next tactic helped the Russians capture the fortress city of Avdiivka in eastern Ukraine and then advance 25 miles along the same axis toward the next fortress city, Pokrovsk.

Gradually, and without many outsiders noticing, something changed. Now, as Russian forces stall outside Pokrovsk, it’s evident that “the golden era of the divine UMPK turned out to be short-lived,” noted Fighterbomber, the unofficial Telegram channel of the Russian air force.

“The bombs are still flying,” Fighterbomber noted in a missive translated by Estonian analyst WarTranslated. Indeed, the Ukrainian Center for Defense Strategies has recently noted KAB/UMPK attacks in Sumy, Chernihiv and Donetsk Oblasts in eastern and northern Ukraine.

“But there’s a catch,” Fighterbomber explained. “All satellite-guided correction systems have left the chat.” And for one main reason: Ukrainian radio jammers have become so effective, and so numerous, that they “saturate the front line.”

The glide bombs can’t communicate with the GLONASS satellite constellation, Russia’s less sophisticated and less expansive answer to the United States’ own GPS satellite constellation. Without a steady connection for course correction, the glide bombs tend to stray and harmlessly explode on some fields.

“All high-value targets are guaranteed to be covered by [electronic warfare],” Fighterbomber claimed. It might take eight or even 16 glide bombs to reliably hit one target, the channel added. And while the glide bombs are inexpensive for a precision munition—each costing around $25,000—the Sukhoi jets that lob them two or four at a time aren’t cheap.

Launching four jets to maybe hit one target is risky and inefficient for an air force that has just a thousand or so modern jets, and has already lost 120 of them in action in Ukraine.

The intensive Ukrainian jamming has also grounded many of Russia’s drones, compelling desperate Russian operators to switch to pricier fiber-optic drones that send and receive signals via long thin cables instead of via radio.

The jamming has effectively accomplished what the Ukrainian air force struggled to accomplish with its expensive, vulnerable S-300, Patriot and SAMP/T surface-to-air missile batteries, which can hit Russian jets from scores of miles away but were always too few in number to fully protect the front line and safeguard Ukrainian cities.

The Russians jam, too, of course—but Russian jamming doesn’t have the impact that Ukrainian jamming does. Many Russian jammers are badly made and ineffective.

Equally importantly, the best Ukrainian munitions—American-made Joint Direct Attack Munition glide bombs and French-made Hammer glide bombs—include GPS guidance but also have backup inertial navigation systems, or INS, that are entirely self-contained and are thus impervious to jamming.

Consider that both American and Ukrainian jets have, in their respective bombing campaigns, blown up enemy GPS jammers using GPS-guided munitions with INS backups. “I’m also pleased to say they've had no effect on us,” Victor Renuart, then a U.S. Air Force general, said of Iraqi GPS jammers after USAF warplanes dropped GPS munitions on them back in 2003.


By contrast, Russia’s own inertial guidance backups—complex systems that internally calculate a munition’s direction, altitude and speed in order to keep the munition on course—tend to be inaccurate. In a 2022 essay for Proceedings, the professional journal of the U.S. Navy, analyst Mark Schneider concluded Russian missiles are often a tenth as accurate as their makers claim.

Filling the air with radio noise that bothers them less than it bothers the Russians, the Ukrainians may have erased one of Russia’s main battlefield advantages. It’s time for Russian commanders to “acknowledge this reality,” Fighterbomber urged. “The future belongs to autonomous INS.”

But when it comes to INS, Ukraine has the edge."

 

[Dalarna3]

There's not going to be a negotiated settlement. Ukraine can't give Russia anything Russia wants without it damaging their sovereignty beyond repair. The other thing is that there are still a bunch of die hards in Ukraine that would try to coup Zelensky if he makes a peace deal that they see as being less than favorable. So I think all the talk of negotiation is for show with the new Trump admin so that Trump can look better than Biden ("at least I tried to bring peace")

 

[Bagatur]

This is insane! Do tanks use some kind of smart ammunition? Or it is pretty much down to the targeting system and the skill of tank operators?

 

[PEB]

 

[Rational Poster]

This is insane! Do tanks use some kind of smart ammunition? Or it is pretty much down to the targeting system and the skill of tank operators?

I can't watch the video since I'm at work so I can't say for sure, but in general the tank guns themselves are all up to the skill of the operator though modern optics do provide lots of assistance.

Some tanks or armored vehicles will have guided missiles, and there are some missiles that can be fired from tank barrels, but the normal kinetic munitions are not guided.

 

[650lb Sumo]

I can't watch the video since I'm at work so I can't say for sure, but in general the tank guns themselves are all up to the skill of the operator though modern optics do provide lots of assistance.

Some tanks or armored vehicles will have guided missiles, and there are some missiles that can be fired from tank barrels, but the normal kinetic munitions are not guided.

I don't read this thread, I've just read this post. I don't even know what tank specifically is being referred to. Like anyone my free time is limited. But modern tanks have fire control computers which take your tank's movement, if any, the enemy tank's movement, if any, the wind, the range etc. and give the gunner a 'solution'. The gun can be aimed manually, but that would be unusual in 2025.

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[Rational Poster]

I don't read this thread, I've just read this post. I don't even know what tank specifically is being referred to. Like anyone my free time is limited. But modern tanks have fire control computers which take your tank's movement, if any, the enemy tank's movement, if any, the wind, the range etc. and give the gunner a 'solution'. The gun can be aimed manually, but that would be unusual in 2025.

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You do know that aim assistance and guided munitions are two different things, right?

The post I quoted was talking about smart ammunition.

 

[HOLA]

 

[syct23]

This should be the nail in the coffin,

European leaders should be shitting brics right now. They should all know by now, if Ukrain is to survive it is up to Europe…

 

[curryjunkie]

that orange fuckwit and his butt buddy vance are playing with western security over their fragile egos. cunts the pair of them..

 

[b-hop]

This should be the nail in the coffin,

European leaders should be shitting brics right now. They should all know by now, if Ukrain is to survive it is up to Europe…

And those snakes were preaching all the time that wanted to support Ukraine unconditionally, and they're already talking about getting minerals too.

They always wanted to scam our country to bear the burden of costs and the war while sitting by the side.

 

[syct23]

And those snakes were preaching all the time that wanted to support Ukraine unconditionally, and they're already talking about getting minerals too.

They always wanted to scam our country to bear the burden of costs and the war while sitting by the side.

It’s always about minerals with the US,

Ukraine and Zelensky need to realize that they will not get anywhere with these two in charge, not for another four years, if not more..

Time to eat the bullet and take the EU deal and drop the Ukrainian conscription age, this is their last fight.

If Zelensky signs an agreement with the US now, after this. He is only ensuring that Ukraine becomes a new Reservation for the US.

 

[b-hop]

It’s always about minerals with the US,

Ukraine and Zelensky need to realize that they will not get anywhere with these two in charge, not for another four years, if not more..

Time to eat the bullet and take the EU deal and drop the Ukrainian conscription age, this is their last fight.

If Zelensky signs an agreement with the US now, after this. He is only ensuring that Ukraine becomes a new Reservation for the US.

I really doubt the europeans have the capacity to send military equipement in any meaningful away and the political willing to do so, with so many countries having a hard right at second spot atleast or the money.

Let's face it the US was the milking cow and Trump as the taxpayers said no more, either we get something of this, or the tap money is close.

 

[syct23]

I really doubt the europeans have the capacity to send military equipement in any meaningful away and the political willing to do so, with so many countries having a hard right at second spot atleast or the money.

Let's face it the US was the milking cow and Trump as the taxpayers said no more, either we get something of this, or the tap money is close.

Oh I agree,

That’s why I am saying after this recent Oval Office meeting. EU leaders should clearly understand what needs to be done on their end, and if not. Then they can slowly watch the expansion westward.

 

[Strychnine]

Better no deal than a bad deal. Trump has shown his cards and wanted his moment to denigrate Pres. Zelenskyy. Now the E.U. knows who they can trust and who they must support.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Better no deal than a bad deal. Trump has shown his cards and wanted his moment to denigrate Pres. Zelenskyy. Now the E.U. knows who they can trust and who they must support.

The moment where we officially-but-still-unofficially switch sides. Zelensky is a dead man walking.

 

[Strychnine]

The moment where we officially-but-still-unofficially switch sides. Zelensky is a dead man walking.

All an assassination will do now is grant him martyrdom. He's already a hero, killing him will make him legendary. I do hope that the U.S. and Russia realize that Ukraine won't stop, even if they're occupied.

 

[Limbo Pete]

All an assassination will do now is grant him martyrdom. He's already a hero, killing him will make him legendary. I do hope that the U.S. and Russia realize that Ukraine won't stop, even if they're occupied.

No what I mean is, the point where Trump gets, or feels he has gotten crossed is the point at which we start sharing intel with Russia (if we weren't already)