International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[PEB]

US wants Ukrainian drone technology yeah no thank you Trump you would give it to Russia.

 

[PEB]

 

[Strychnine]

Zelenskyy is right.

 

[San Marino]

You blame Joe Biden for Ukraine's woes? Not Putin that ordered the invasion and would have taken the whole country if not for the help the West provided?

Joe Biden told Putin point blank that it was okay to have a 'minor' incursion into Ukraine.
The United States would be okay with that. He never did expand on the meaning of 'minor.'

Uncle Joe doing what he did best - fucking things up:

 

[San Marino]

Ah the good old “NATO promise” hoax again.

Just a small detail but that expansion eastward involving Central and Eastern European countries, you know, sovereign countries that are entitled to make their own decisions regarding which partnership to join?

They desperately wanted to join NATO because they’ve had a long history of Russians doing bad things to them (small example: the Holodomor in Ukraine). And them expecting that Russia will continue to do bad things to them later, case in point being Ukraine. There’s a reason that traditionally neutral countries such as Sweden and Finland are now siding with the West.

"Sovereign countries that are entitled to make their own decisions."

Of course, like Cuba and the USSR in 1962. Cuba and the Soviet Union wanted to do something in Cuba as sovereign countries, but the United States prevented them from doing what they wanted to do. Why is that?

So, it is okay for the US to tell other countries what to do, but not Russia? Why the double standard?

 

[San Marino]

Russia has mastered disinformation warfare, case in point, it worked like gangbusters here in the U.S.A.

So does the US.
Actually, Russia learned about disinformation warfare from the Americans.
All the Central and South American countries the CIA was involved with in turning political elections. How many were there?

Oh, yeah, let us review the Monroe Doctrine:

The Monroe Doctrine was (is) a foreign policy statement made by President James Monroe in 1823. It established the United States' role in the Western Hemisphere and how the U.S. would interact with European powers. Into the 21st century, the doctrine continues to be variably denounced, reinstated, or reinterpreted.

Key points:

• The U.S. would not interfere in European affairs.
• The U.S. would not tolerate European colonization or puppet monarchs in the Western Hemisphere.
• The U.S. would protect the independent nations of the Western Hemisphere.

 

[Young Calf Kick]

"Sovereign countries that are entitled to make their own decisions."

Of course, like Cuba and the USSR in 1962. Cuba and the Soviet Union wanted to do something in Cuba as sovereign countries, but the United States prevented them from doing what they wanted to do. Why is that?

So, it is okay for the US to tell other countries what to do, but not Russia? Why the double standard?

Completely different times and completely different scenarios. Two warring ideologies placing nukes in their allied countries right at the doorstep of the opposing faction was a bad move (whom both agreed on). In the end, capitalism won.

The situation we face today is Russian leadership being a Soviet Union era remnant that glorifies Soviet Union era politics, as communism is a very useful tool to consolidate (oligarchic) dictatorships, which Putin is or at least strives to be. Combine that with an imperialistic worldview and you end up with the current Russian geopolitical strategy.

What makes the current situation different is that Soviet imperialism should have died when the Soviet Union ceased to exist. Instead, it’s still very much alive. The only narrative Putin very shrewdly put in when he did that interview with the Western journalist talking about how they were one, Russian people, in the Kievan Rus era, to justify the expansion of his imperium.

However, whether Putin truly believes this or is just using the narrative for his own gain is irrelevant. The breaking up of the Soviet Union enabled its former states to start using capitalist policies and whadya know, all of a sudden there’s massive economic growth and massively reduced poverty levels. After half a century or more of misery in the communist Soviet Union, aligning with Western capitalist principles as a sovereign state pulls these countries out of the mud very quickly.

It doesn’t take rocket science to understand why they’re trying to join a military alliance that’s invested in defending these principles. Especially since remnants of their former Soviet overlords are willing to breach their sovereignty by invading them. Putin is not a fan of nations he views as Soviet huddling up with the West and doing a way better job economically, because it undermines his power as a Soviet remnant imperialist dictator.

 

[PEB]

Poland replacing the US as the leading voice in NATO. They are done with this bull shi$t.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Zelenskyy is right.

At this point when ever Vance or Trump talk about the war you really dont know what's coming out of their mouths. it's like they are trying to keep both sides on their toes.

 

[Rholk]

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Completely different times and completely different scenarios. Two warring ideologies placing nukes in their allied countries right at the doorstep of the opposing faction was a bad move (whom both agreed on). In the end, capitalism won.

The situation we face today is Russian leadership being a Soviet Union era remnant that glorifies Soviet Union era politics, as communism is a very useful tool to consolidate (oligarchic) dictatorships, which Putin is or at least strives to be. Combine that with an imperialistic worldview and you end up with the current Russian geopolitical strategy.

What makes the current situation different is that Soviet imperialism should have died when the Soviet Union ceased to exist. Instead, it’s still very much alive. The only narrative Putin very shrewdly put in when he did that interview with the Western journalist talking about how they were one, Russian people, in the Kievan Rus era, to justify the expansion of his imperium.

However, whether Putin truly believes this or is just using the narrative for his own gain is irrelevant. The breaking up of the Soviet Union enabled its former states to start using capitalist policies and whadya know, all of a sudden there’s massive economcial growth and massively reduced poverty levels. After half a century or more of misery in the communist Soviet Union, aligning with Western capitalist principles as a sovereign state pulls these countries out of the mud very quickly.

It doesn’t take rocket science to understand why they’re trying to join a military alliance that’s invested in defending these principles. Especially since remnants of their former Soviet overlords are willing to breach their sovereignty by invading them. Putin is not a fan of nations he views as Soviet huddling up with the West and doing a way better job economically, because it undermines his power as a Soviet remnant imperialist dictator.

He has earned his name spinMarino for a reason. He can turn apples into oranges.

 

[Hog-train]

Hegseth just had an announcement. Looking like the US is going to negotiate a treaty where Putin gets literally everything he wants.

Trump is a Putin bootlicker for some reason.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Hegseth just had an announcement. Looking like the US is going to negotiate a treaty where Putin gets literally everything he wants.

Trump is a Putin bootlicker for some reason.

Got a link for that? I listened to his speech and he didnt really say that. Putin wants his 4 Oblasts that are part of Russia and he wont be getting that. Everytime Hegseth,Vance,Trump,Kellog or Rubio speak you get a different answer every time.

 

[SandisLL]

I don't think that any treaties will be soon.
This is because Putin is confident that he will keep all territories he will manage to grab before ceasefire. He is reported that Special operation is going as had been planned therefore why to agree with ceasefire quickly?

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

I don't think that any treaties will be soon.
This is because Putin is confident that he will keep all territories he will manage to grab before ceasefire. He is reported that Special operation is going as had been planned therefore why to agree with ceasefire quickly?

I agree, putin will be impossible to deal with and UKR wont except s shitty deal that will hurt its people down the road.

 

[irish_thug]

 

[AWilder]

I get your point though france was never under russias control.

I dont think poles will send off 50k soldiers to wild suicide run in ukraine, thats just ridiculous from military point of view

More likely they will build defensive positions on border and hang there

Lol yeah 50k polish soldiers would be a suicide mission. take putins dick out of your mouth

 

[Cole train]

Lol yeah 50k polish soldiers would be a suicide mission. take putins dick out of your mouth

Ah yes insults, truly sign of intelligent person.

You are ex military, care to enlighten me how 50k will go against 200k to 400k in a frontline thats 1522 miles in length

 

[Strychnine]

"Don't drive without EW (electronic warfare) defenses guys."

- Russian soldier as he walks away from his flaming pickup truck.

 

[PEB]