International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

Hog-train said:
Ukraine is fucked if Trump wins.
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They're done. Republicans are favoured to take all three branches.

Ukraine gets funded only if europe finally holds up its end financially re NATO, which they wont.
 
Ukraine never had a chance to beat Russia without direct NATO support to begin with. It was incredibly inhumane and cruel of Zelensky and the West to make these poor men fight a war they had absolutely no chance of winning. At least with Trump winning perhaps the bloodshed can end. Russia invading was wrong and barbaric but it doesn't change reality. And the reality is that Ukraine was fucked from jump
 
Putin stated the terms very clearly

- 4 regions will be ceded by Ukraine and join Russia (they are de facto Russian already)

- neutrality in military alliances (they won’t be accepted to NATO anyway)

- restoration of the Russian language and the Russian Orthodox Church (the Nazi bastards need to be punished, we all agree, right?)

Those are more than acceptable terms for Ukraine. They can become a civilized nation again, drop the Bandera movement, join the EU if they want to and prosper
 
Say good night to Ukraine. Looks like my gay Trudeau avatar will be coming down soon.
 
ViD said:
Putin stated the terms very clearly

- 4 regions will be ceded by Ukraine and join Russia (they are de facto Russian already)

- neutrality in military alliances (they won’t be accepted to NATO anyway)

- restoration of the Russian language and the Russian Orthodox Church (the Nazi bastards need to be punished, we all agree, right?)

Those are more than acceptable terms for Ukraine. They can become a civilized nation again, drop the Bandera movement, join the EU if they want to and prosper
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Counting your chickens already...bad move comrade

None of that is reasonable nor should it be accepted.
 
Lol Chinese are having a field day on the SU-57.



 
Oeshon said:
now that Trump is president, we can hopefully see the end of this war.
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Finally never ending peace which we all have desired....I wouldn't count your chickens so fast, I really don't see Trump taking a knee to Putler...should be interesting.
 
Cole train said:
Weakness of europe showing, paying for bad political decisions

Should not rely on usa that much
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There are more deep shits.
Europe doesn't trust U.S at all.

Since September 2023 th they are preparing that they maybe will need to de block Suez and install occupation forces in Yemen...if big shit will happen.
So since this ukraine is some village for them. Ofc if pressure from electorate, then something is supplied a bit.
 
Ruthless Ryan said:
Finally never ending peace which we all have desired....I wouldn't count your chickens so fast, I really don't see Trump taking a knee to Putler...should be interesting.
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There is so called Vance- Trump scenario with frozen current frontline while Putin had promised for russia's population to liberate Kherson, Zaporozia, Donetsk and Luhansk oblastj from...vuala....ukrainian occupation...

Will see. Putin does have money and might continue to hire guys, NK, Iran and Belarus defitely will increase supplies....
 
No one probably wants to hear this here but lets be honest. Without assistance from the outside Ukraine would be in much much much worst state than it is today.

I said it before and I repeat. Cede territory Putin already got. Eastern parts of Ukraine were always pro Russian and even today people born in these areas are happily fighting Ukrainian troops.

Don't allow Ukr join nato. Ukr don't need to be in NATO but provide them with some sort of guarantee against future Russian aggression.

And finally...demilitarized zone between Russia and Ukraine just like in Korea. Sentry towers, minefields, artificial swamps.

Not ideal but far more reliable scenario that will ensure Ukr survival if whole of the alliance decide to pull a plug on funds.
 
Nameless King said:
No one probably wants to hear this here but lets be honest. Without assistance from the outside Ukraine would be in much much much worst state than it is today.

I said it before and I repeat. Cede territory Putin already got. Eastern parts of Ukraine were always pro Russian and even today people born in these areas are happily fighting Ukrainian troops.

Don't allow Ukr join nato. Ukr don't need to be in NATO but provide them with some sort of guarantee against future Russian aggression.

And finally...demilitarized zone between Russia and Ukraine just like in Korea. Sentry towers, minefields, artificial swamps.

Not ideal but far more reliable scenario that will ensure Ukr survival if whole of the alliance decide to pull a plug on funds.
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This is pretty much fan fiction, Ukraine isn't going to give up land they're standing on.

I think people that say this kind of stuff don't actually realize how little of the territory Russia has claimed as their own that they actually control.
 
Nameless King said:
No one probably wants to hear this here but lets be honest. Without assistance from the outside Ukraine would be in much much much worst state than it is today.

I said it before and I repeat. Cede territory Putin already got. Eastern parts of Ukraine were always pro Russian and even today people born in these areas are happily fighting Ukrainian troops.

Don't allow Ukr join nato. Ukr don't need to be in NATO but provide them with some sort of guarantee against future Russian aggression.

And finally...demilitarized zone between Russia and Ukraine just like in Korea. Sentry towers, minefields, artificial swamps.

Not ideal but far more reliable scenario that will ensure Ukr survival if whole of the alliance decide to pull a plug on funds.
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If only you could speak like this all of the time…
 
Nameless King said:
No one probably wants to hear this here but lets be honest. Without assistance from the outside Ukraine would be in much much much worst state than it is today.

I said it before and I repeat. Cede territory Putin already got. Eastern parts of Ukraine were always pro Russian and even today people born in these areas are happily fighting Ukrainian troops.

Don't allow Ukr join nato. Ukr don't need to be in NATO but provide them with some sort of guarantee against future Russian aggression.

And finally...demilitarized zone between Russia and Ukraine just like in Korea. Sentry towers, minefields, artificial swamps.

Not ideal but far more reliable scenario that will ensure Ukr survival if whole of the alliance decide to pull a plug on funds.
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This is a bit wrong stuff.

How you might create village as pro russuian? Create mesh and after some years you will have in village population who doesn't cares or is pro russian.
While not all russians does support Putin because thay had dream that all this money and efforts had been invested in Matushka.
About possible EU and NATO membership for ukr I had posted in open text that I do not support this. Because I don't see any reason why Ukraine should have more soft access criteria than earlier had Czech Republic, Baltic countries etc..
Why. Ofc no.
 
Ruthless Ryan said:
Finally never ending peace which we all have desired....I wouldn't count your chickens so fast, I really don't see Trump taking a knee to Putler...should be interesting.
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Oh, Trump will without a doubt.

Putin has Kompromat on him. How else can it be explained that when Covid was raging that he sent testing machines, not the tests, but the machines that were in desperate need in the U.S. to Putin?

Putin has the papers on Trump and he's gonna bend the knee.
 
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