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Ukraine's 'Dragon's Breath' drones wreaking havoc on Putin's frontline​



As Russian forces continue to wage war across Ukraine, Kyiv's defenders are employing novel solutions to wreak havoc on enemy positions in the absence of sufficient Western weaponry.


Aid-starved Ukrainian soldiers along the frontline have been forced to innovate ever since the early days of the war, thinking up budget solutions to keep the Russian advance in check.

Now, new footage of their latest invention, the menacingly named 'Dragon's Breath' drone, has emerged - with horrified Russian troops already taking to social media to protest against its brutal efficacy and call for help.

Thermite bombs, which rain down molten pieces of metal on their unfortunate targets, have already been used several times in the war by Vladimir Putin's forces - but they are typically deployed in rockets or cluster munitions indiscriminately delivered via bomber aircraft at much higher cost.

Experts believe that by successfully strapping the weapons to the undercarriage of first-person-view (FPV) drones, Kyiv's men have developed a cost-effective way to conduct devastatingly accurate incendiary strikes on the invaders and enjoy new battlefield advantages.






Footage first emerged of the Dragon's Breath drones on Monday.

The initial clip, which has now been widely shared across social media, shows a small FPV drone in flight above a wooded area in eastern Ukraine in which Russian forces are purportedly hiding.

Its pilot ignites the thermite bomb and a torrent of white-hot shards erupt from underneath the drone which scans over the treeline, spraying the molten metal over the Russian positions below.

Two more clips were published in quick succession - one by Ukraine's 60th Mechanised Brigade and another by the 'Khorne Group', an element of Ukraine's 116th Mechanised Brigade - both of which showed how the thermite ignited the trees and started a raging inferno.


Days later, a video surfaced on the Telegram messaging app that appeared to show a Russian soldier standing amid the scorched remains of his troop's camp and appealing for humanitarian aid - though that video is yet to be verified.

'Strike Drones are our wings of vengeance, bringing fire straight from the sky!' the 60th Mechanised Brigade post read on Facebook.

'They become a real threat to the enemy, burning his positions with an accuracy that no other weapon can achieve.'

Thermite munitions could also be used to destroy Russian artillery batteries, armoured vehicles and other military hardware nestled in the forest.

The chemical mixture of aluminium powder and iron oxide ignites at temperatures exceeding 2,200 degrees Celsius (4,000 degrees Fahrenheit), and is capable of melting through steel, making it a highly effective demolition device.


RUSI associate and defence analyst Sam Cranny-Evans told MailOnline: 'The Dragon's Breath drones seem to be used to make Russian positions difficult to hold.

'Thermite munitions burn extremely intensely, and Russian troop locations often contain a lot of flammable materials: wood, grass, uniforms... not to mention ammunition.

'I don't know if it would burn a trench into non-existence, but bunkers and trenches constructed with wood, awnings and other similar materials would certainly catch fire, either from the thermite directly or if the trees around them ignite.

'Even if the trench infrastructure itself is not physically destroyed, the potential for fires to consume wooden structures and adjacent areas would make the Russian positions untenable. Troops would therefore be forced to fight the fires - something extremely difficult to do given their intensity - or evacuate their positions.


'Drones also provide a pinpoint delivery mechanism, so the thermite will almost always hit its target provided the drone avoids countermeasures.'




Cranny-Evans went on to explain how the Dragon's Breath drones could help Ukrainian divisions to quickly retake occupied land if used correctly.


'The timing of drone-mounted thermite attacks is crucial to their long-term effectiveness,' said.

'If Ukrainian troops launched an offensive shortly after deploying the thermite, they would likely be able to capitalise on the disarray.

'Their Russian opponents' ability to mount an effective defence would be severely diminished, so an immediate follow-up offensive could see Kyiv's forces retake the position with relative ease.'

Samuel Bendett, a drone researcher at the Centre for a New American Security think-tank, also concluded that the drone-mounted thermite bombs could prove an extremely effective addition to the Ukrainian troops' bag of battlefield tricks.


'I have not seen that particular drone application before, but [I'm] not surprised that Ukrainians are leading the charge once again, since they have been the first to utilise many drones in novel ways throughout this conflict,' he said.

'(Forested areas) are often where the soldiers hide, systems like artillery and mortars can be positioned to hide from drones, and troops can regroup, fortify and otherwise position themselves for continued warfare.

'So taking out such areas is key.'

But there are also concerns that the new approach could trigger more widespread use of incendiary devices, which in turn would dramatically increase the risk for civilians living in conflict zones, according to Action on Armed Violence (AOAV) Executive Director, Dr Iain Overton.


'Unlike conventional munitions designed to target specific military assets, thermite bombs can create widespread fires that engulf entire neighbourhoods, schools, hospitals, and homes,' an AOAV press release published earlier this week read.

'The intense heat not only causes immediate destruction but also poses long-term health risks to survivors who may suffer from severe burns, respiratory issues, and psychological trauma.

'Thermite bombs represent a broader trend in modern warfare where technological advancements blur the lines between legitimate military targets and civilian infrastructure... Their capability means that even a single bomb deployed with precision can start fires that are difficult, if not impossible, to extinguish.'

It remains to be seen to what extent Ukrainian units turn to Dragon's Breath to help clear the frontline.

But one thing is for certain - it won't be long before Putin's troops take heed and fight fire with fire.
I would not want to be under fire by that weapon system. So many ways that could be used offensively a d defensively. Really clever.
 

Ukraine's 'Dragon's Breath' drones wreaking havoc on Putin's frontline​



As Russian forces continue to wage war across Ukraine, Kyiv's defenders are employing novel solutions to wreak havoc on enemy positions in the absence of sufficient Western weaponry.


Aid-starved Ukrainian soldiers along the frontline have been forced to innovate ever since the early days of the war, thinking up budget solutions to keep the Russian advance in check.

Now, new footage of their latest invention, the menacingly named 'Dragon's Breath' drone, has emerged - with horrified Russian troops already taking to social media to protest against its brutal efficacy and call for help.

Thermite bombs, which rain down molten pieces of metal on their unfortunate targets, have already been used several times in the war by Vladimir Putin's forces - but they are typically deployed in rockets or cluster munitions indiscriminately delivered via bomber aircraft at much higher cost.

Experts believe that by successfully strapping the weapons to the undercarriage of first-person-view (FPV) drones, Kyiv's men have developed a cost-effective way to conduct devastatingly accurate incendiary strikes on the invaders and enjoy new battlefield advantages.






Footage first emerged of the Dragon's Breath drones on Monday.

The initial clip, which has now been widely shared across social media, shows a small FPV drone in flight above a wooded area in eastern Ukraine in which Russian forces are purportedly hiding.

Its pilot ignites the thermite bomb and a torrent of white-hot shards erupt from underneath the drone which scans over the treeline, spraying the molten metal over the Russian positions below.

Two more clips were published in quick succession - one by Ukraine's 60th Mechanised Brigade and another by the 'Khorne Group', an element of Ukraine's 116th Mechanised Brigade - both of which showed how the thermite ignited the trees and started a raging inferno.


Days later, a video surfaced on the Telegram messaging app that appeared to show a Russian soldier standing amid the scorched remains of his troop's camp and appealing for humanitarian aid - though that video is yet to be verified.

'Strike Drones are our wings of vengeance, bringing fire straight from the sky!' the 60th Mechanised Brigade post read on Facebook.

'They become a real threat to the enemy, burning his positions with an accuracy that no other weapon can achieve.'

Thermite munitions could also be used to destroy Russian artillery batteries, armoured vehicles and other military hardware nestled in the forest.

The chemical mixture of aluminium powder and iron oxide ignites at temperatures exceeding 2,200 degrees Celsius (4,000 degrees Fahrenheit), and is capable of melting through steel, making it a highly effective demolition device.


RUSI associate and defence analyst Sam Cranny-Evans told MailOnline: 'The Dragon's Breath drones seem to be used to make Russian positions difficult to hold.

'Thermite munitions burn extremely intensely, and Russian troop locations often contain a lot of flammable materials: wood, grass, uniforms... not to mention ammunition.

'I don't know if it would burn a trench into non-existence, but bunkers and trenches constructed with wood, awnings and other similar materials would certainly catch fire, either from the thermite directly or if the trees around them ignite.

'Even if the trench infrastructure itself is not physically destroyed, the potential for fires to consume wooden structures and adjacent areas would make the Russian positions untenable. Troops would therefore be forced to fight the fires - something extremely difficult to do given their intensity - or evacuate their positions.


'Drones also provide a pinpoint delivery mechanism, so the thermite will almost always hit its target provided the drone avoids countermeasures.'




Cranny-Evans went on to explain how the Dragon's Breath drones could help Ukrainian divisions to quickly retake occupied land if used correctly.


'The timing of drone-mounted thermite attacks is crucial to their long-term effectiveness,' said.

'If Ukrainian troops launched an offensive shortly after deploying the thermite, they would likely be able to capitalise on the disarray.

'Their Russian opponents' ability to mount an effective defence would be severely diminished, so an immediate follow-up offensive could see Kyiv's forces retake the position with relative ease.'

Samuel Bendett, a drone researcher at the Centre for a New American Security think-tank, also concluded that the drone-mounted thermite bombs could prove an extremely effective addition to the Ukrainian troops' bag of battlefield tricks.


'I have not seen that particular drone application before, but [I'm] not surprised that Ukrainians are leading the charge once again, since they have been the first to utilise many drones in novel ways throughout this conflict,' he said.

'(Forested areas) are often where the soldiers hide, systems like artillery and mortars can be positioned to hide from drones, and troops can regroup, fortify and otherwise position themselves for continued warfare.

'So taking out such areas is key.'

But there are also concerns that the new approach could trigger more widespread use of incendiary devices, which in turn would dramatically increase the risk for civilians living in conflict zones, according to Action on Armed Violence (AOAV) Executive Director, Dr Iain Overton.


'Unlike conventional munitions designed to target specific military assets, thermite bombs can create widespread fires that engulf entire neighbourhoods, schools, hospitals, and homes,' an AOAV press release published earlier this week read.

'The intense heat not only causes immediate destruction but also poses long-term health risks to survivors who may suffer from severe burns, respiratory issues, and psychological trauma.

'Thermite bombs represent a broader trend in modern warfare where technological advancements blur the lines between legitimate military targets and civilian infrastructure... Their capability means that even a single bomb deployed with precision can start fires that are difficult, if not impossible, to extinguish.'

It remains to be seen to what extent Ukrainian units turn to Dragon's Breath to help clear the frontline.

But one thing is for certain - it won't be long before Putin's troops take heed and fight fire with fire.

Russia has been using thermobaric weapons since they invaded. :(
 
I would not want to be under fire by that weapon system. So many ways that could be used offensively a d defensively. Really clever.

Could be a game changer for trench warfare..

From the images it looks like the drones can map a trench perfectly. Send in a few of these drones in front of the troops to burn out the trenches. Only two options, stay in the trenches and risk the Dragons Breath…or jump out of the trenches and get shot..
 
Could be a game changer for trench warfare..

From the images it looks like the drones can map a trench perfectly. Send in a few of these drones in front of the troops to burn out the trenches. Only two options, stay in the trenches and risk the Dragons Breath…or jump out of the trenches and get shot..
Or encircle a group with fire, divide groups, flush them out, use it as a barrier if getting overrun to hopefully stabilize the sector. Lots of uses. Depends how quickly they can respond. But the way they are using them is smart because I've seen those flame thrower drones they use to clear huge wasp nests on Chinese power lines but those drones are huge and can't fly for very long, extra loud, and with a big payload of flame thrower fuel it's range is just not that great. But this, this is clever. The ammunition doesn't weigh nearly as much and dispersing it straight down is easy and effective and it gets lighter as it burns making recovery hopefully easier. If it's even worth risking recovery.
 
Or encircle a group with fire, divide groups, flush them out, use it as a barrier if getting overrun to hopefully stabilize the sector. Lots of uses. Depends how quickly they can respond. But the way they are using them is smart because I've seen those flame thrower drones they use to clear huge wasp nests on Chinese power lines but those drones are huge and can't fly for very long, extra loud, and with a big payload of flame thrower fuel it's range is just not that great. But this, this is clever. The ammunition doesn't weigh nearly as much and dispersing it straight down is easy and effective and it gets lighter as it burns making recovery hopefully easier. If it's even worth risking recovery.
Would also be interesting to see a few of these fly over an oil refinery…
 


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You gotta be high to think the measly amount of patriot batteries are going to have more of an impact than nearly 100 multirole fighter aircraft.
You gotta be high to think all those 100 F-16s pledged will arrive in Ukraine before 2027. At present they're in the single digit. Without the Patriot batteries, Russians would have bombed Ukrainian air bases to smithereens and able to provide real time air support to their attack formations instead of lobbing glide bombs from 50 miles away.
 
Russia also with the migrant thing? wtf
Gubarev is right-wing guy (I thing there is even photo of him throwing Nazi salutes).

Or you are surprised by migrant problem? I think there is even serial killer or a few who migrated to Russia from Central Asia.
 
Gubarev is right-wing guy (I thing there is even photo of him throwing Nazi salutes).

Or you are surprised by migrant problem? I think there is even serial killer or a few who migrated to Russia from Central Asia.

I thought it was a message exported by Russia aimed at other nations.

Didn't realize this Central Asia issue. Really, surely Russia needs immigration either for workers or soldiers?
 
You gotta be high to think all those 100 F-16s pledged will arrive in Ukraine before 2027. At present they're in the single digit. Without the Patriot batteries, Russians would have bombed Ukrainian air bases to smithereens and able to provide real time air support to their attack formations instead of lobbing glide bombs from 50 miles away.
Single digits and already more of them than there are patriot systems.

Patriot might be the best of Ukraine's air defense systems but it's a very small portion of their total air defense network.

There's two of them.

It's a billion dollar system with multi-million dollar missiles.


F-16 is in abundance, the munitions are in abundance and both are cheap. It's a numbers thing. Patriot launching 1/100th the amount of missiles f-16 does when this war ends would be generous IMO.
 
Putin in reality so much fears from NATO that afforded to relocate pro marines units approx batallion size from Kaliningrad oblastj to dumbass ( Donbas ) area.....
These are pros with years of training under belt.
 
I thought it was a message exported by Russia aimed at other nations.

Didn't realize this Central Asia issue. Really, surely Russia needs immigration either for workers or soldiers?
I think few years ago even Russian police said that for example in Moscow region majority of sexual crimes (rape, molesting and stuff like that) is committed by foreign citizens (and everyone understand that it’s not citizens of Mexico or Canada or Monaco who commits these crimes).

This summer there were two cases when ISIS members in Russian prisons took hostages and I think in last case murdered one of people who worked in prison. If I remember it right last case it was immigrants from Central Asia.

And I saw Russian/post-Soviet experts claim that Russia is kind of a nest of Islamism. Like in other post-Soviet countries you can’t wear hijab and stuff, or attend mosque before you are 18 years old, or long beard will attract police attention to you while in Russia it’s legal.

Regarding workers - you don’t need to pay taxes and other stuff if it’s illegals who works. Also since there is no contract between you, you can pay less or refuse to pay and abuse them. Sometimes some “smartasses” refuse to pay and gets murdered.
 
I think few years ago even Russian police said that for example in Moscow region majority of sexual crimes (rape, molesting and stuff like that) is committed by foreign citizens (and everyone understand that it’s not citizens of Mexico or Canada or Monaco who commits these crimes).

This summer there were two cases when ISIS members in Russian prisons took hostages and I think in last case murdered one of people who worked in prison. If I remember it right last case it was immigrants from Central Asia.

And I saw Russian/post-Soviet experts claim that Russia is kind of a nest of Islamism. Like in other post-Soviet countries you can’t wear hijab and stuff, or attend mosque before you are 18 years old, or long beard will attract police attention to you while in Russia it’s legal.

Regarding workers - you don’t need to pay taxes and other stuff if it’s illegals who works. Also since there is no contract between you, you can pay less or refuse to pay and abuse them. Sometimes some “smartasses” refuse to pay and gets murdered.
This stuff you had posted literally is paid by Kremlin propaganda comrade. Main aim is to discredit countries that earlier had soviet rule in order to perform action to make Americans think that these countries are cavemans and Kurds No2 for Americans to sell, both hardcore russian friends dems and reps...

Degeneratic attempt to earn money comrade.

In FSU and Eastern ( ohh bums pride to talk with label like neg*o about these countries and nations with pride to be liars and traitors sitting in puffy cubicles and earning paychecks as degenerates not capable even to be normal dish washers ).

Mosques are allowed little propagandist... and no one is checking who does attend mosques. While your matushka you are serving for in internet recently had damaged mosque in Ukraine. Allah is truth and greatness and doesn't have borders. Allah will punish liars and evil because Allah Does not have nor timeframe nor borders for revenge. Allah is peace and love....


If about long beards and really long hair in EU countries these usually are freaks, atheists and white. More often not interested in politics.
 
India will not tolerate further their citizens usage for war in Ukraine. We also will not tolerate nuclear weapons usage in Ukraine.
Modi.
 
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