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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

are you dumb or you have reading comprehension issues ?

I told you Russia was ready to accept Zelensky’s regime, have no issues with them joining EU, give them Donbass back in exchange for NATO neutrality and accepting the Crimea status under Russia.

What’s been happening since March 2022 is only on US/UK and Zelensky
Russia seized Crimea from a sovereign country, they weren't just taking back something that was out on loan like a library book. And Ukraine wasn't getting into NATO, and even if they did it doesn't justify mass murder. And Russia already shares plenty of border with NATO anyway. And Donbass is also a part of Ukraine, not Russia, so maybe don't just try to carve out other people's countries and maybe they won't try to fight you off. Give us part of your country today and refuse to join any defensive alliances and we pinky swear we'll leave you alone for good this time! "If you don't want my hands going up your skirt, then don't wear such a sexy little number!" -Putin and his apologists
Your soul is an inky black dog dump, dude
 
Russia seized Crimea from a sovereign country, they weren't just taking back something that was out on loan like a library book. And Ukraine wasn't getting into NATO, and even if they did it doesn't justify mass murder. And Russia already shares plenty of border with NATO anyway. And Donbass is also a part of Ukraine, not Russia, so maybe don't just try to carve out other people's countries and maybe they won't try to fight you off. Give us part of your country today and refuse to join any defensive alliances and we pinky swear we'll leave you alone for good this time! "If you don't want my hands going up your skirt, then don't wear such a sexy little number!" -Putin and his apologists
Your soul is an inky black dog dump, dude
Ukraine lost Crimea because Putin was fooled by the West and a neutral president was illegally ousted even though he agreed to hold early elections and transfer the power peacefully and an openly hostile to Russia regime took over;

This is not Russia of 2000. You try to fuck with us, you find out.
 
A dozen planes they have left is Air Force ? Ok then


there are more then a dozen planes left. Where are you getting your info? Please stop smelling your own farts.

They currently have 46 migs and 26 Su-27s, they have 12 Su-24


Do you want links? If so ill be happy to provide until then stop talking. Unless your willing to provide Facts that they have only 12 planes left....your likr 10% correct since they have only 12 su-24s

 
there are more then a dozen planes left. Where are you getting your info? Please stop smelling your own farts.

They currently have 46 migs and 26 Su-27s, they have 12 Su-24


Do you want links? If so ill be happy to provide until then stop talking. Unless your willing to provide Facts that they have only 12 planes left....your likr 10% correct since they have only 12 su-24s
They’re using their Air Force EXCLUSIVELY to launch Storm Shadows from a long distance, they’re not using their Air Force to support their troops, if you consider this as active AF, so be it then
 
They’re using their Air Force EXCLUSIVELY to launch Storm Shadows from a long distance, they’re not using their Air Force to support their troops, if you consider this active AF, so be it then


How do you know that? Do you have info for this?


They are definitely shut up and stop making stuff
 
How do you know that? Do you have info for this?


They are definitely shut up and stop making stuff
Gimme any links / reports of Ukraine using their planes for any other purpose in the last few months, Russia is constantly looking for them and if they get close to the front lines they will be instantly shot down
 
Ukraine lost Crimea because Putin was fooled by the West and a neutral president was illegally ousted even though he agreed to hold early elections and transfer the power peacefully and an openly hostile to Russia regime took over;

This is not Russia of 2000. You try to fuck with us, you find out.
No, Ukraine lost Crimea because Putin wanted it, full stop. It has nothing to do with "self defense", nobody was invading Russia. Ukraine trying to build alliances specifically to prevent a Russian invasion =/= "aggression" against Putin or his regime. This victim blaming just knows no bounds, I guess. Just more chest puffing over the corpses of innocent Ukrainian men, women, and children, not to mention all the thousands of stolen children. You should seriously stop and think about how using this atrocity to reflect/project your own self esteem is, like, totally horrible.
 
No, Ukraine lost Crimea because Putin wanted it, full stop. It has nothing to do with "self defense", nobody was invading Russia. Ukraine trying to build alliances specifically to prevent a Russian invasion =/= "aggression" against Putin or his regime. This victim blaming just knows no bounds, I guess. Just more chest puffing over the corpses of innocent Ukrainian men, women, and children, not to mention all the thousands of stolen children. You should seriously stop and think about how using this atrocity to reflect/project your own self esteem is, like, totally horrible.
Had Yanukovich not been illegally removed, Russia would not have annexed Crimea, it’s simple as that.

As for civilian casualties, Russia is trying to fight surgically accurate to not cause their deaths.
The proof of that is there has been less civilian casualties in 2 years of this war than in a few months of Israel - Hamas conflict. Get this.

Russia also hosted 4 million of Ukrainian refugees. It would be weird for them to go to Russia if they are oppressed, right ?
 
Plenty of videos of them doing Ground strikes, Dropping laser guided bombs, and doing SEAD runs.
 
Had Yanukovich not been illegally removed, Russia would not have annexed Crimea, it’s simple as that.

As for civilian casualties, Russia is trying to fight surgically accurate to not cause their deaths.
The proof of that is there has been less civilian casualties in 2 years of this war than in a few months of Israel - Hamas conflict. Get this.

Russia also hosted 4 million of Ukrainian refugees. It would be weird for them to go to Russia if they are oppressed, right ?
First, Ukrainian internal politics doesnt give Russia some sort of authority or right to simply seize parts of the country if their puppet and sycophants get driven out with pitchforks lo

Second, "Russia is fighting surgically" might be the actual stupidest thing I've ever seen someone post it here. It's either extraordinarily stupid, extraordinarily dishonest, or both.

Third, "hosting refugees" is actually extremely dishonest given the thousands of children that have been kidnapped, and the thousands of other people driven there through force
 
Second, "Russia is fighting surgically" might be the actual stupidest thing I've ever seen someone post it here. It's either extraordinarily stupid, extraordinarily dishonest, or both.
How do you explain the numbers I presented ? If Russia didn’t give a shit about civilians, there would be way more casualties, no ? Eastern Ukrainians are considered as Russians by Russia, why the fuck would they try to target civilians there ?
 

Russia says it has taken Ukraine’s city of Avdiivka after a Ukrainian troop withdrawal​


BY ILLIA NOVIKOV AND BARRY HATTON
Updated 5:07 PM BRT, February 17, 2024


KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russian forces have taken complete control of the Ukrainian city of Avdiivka, Russia’s Defense Ministry said Saturday.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told the Kremlin that Russian forces were now working to clear the final pockets of resistance at the Avdiivka Coke and Chemical Plant, officials said in a statement. Videos on social media Saturday appeared to show soldiers raising the Russian flag over one of the plant’s buildings.

The announcement came the same day that Ukraine’s military chief said he was withdrawing troops from the city in eastern Ukraine where outnumbered defenders battled a Russian assault for four months.

The timing is critical as Russia is looking for a morale boost ahead of the second anniversary on Feb. 24 of Moscow’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine and the March presidential election in Russia.


In a short statement posted on Facebook, Ukrainian commander Col. Gen. Oleksandr Syrskyi said he had made the decision to avoid encirclement and “preserve the lives and health of servicemen.”



The commander-in-chief added that troops were moving to “more favorable lines.”

“Our soldiers performed their military duty with dignity, did everything possible to destroy the best Russian military units, inflicted significant losses on the enemy in terms of manpower and equipment.

“We are taking measures to stabilize the situation and maintain our positions,” the statement read.

The withdrawal came a day after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Friday made another trip to Western Europe, hoping to press his country’s Western allies to keep providing military support.

It was Syrskyi’s first major test since being appointed as Ukraine’s new army chief last week.

In his previous position as commander of Ukraine’s ground forces, he faced criticism for holding on to the city of Bakhmut for nine months, a siege that became the war’s longest and bloodiest battle and cost Ukraine dearly, but also served to sap Russia’s forces.

In recent days, reports emerged that Ukrainian troops in Avdiika faced a deteriorating situation.

Rodion Kudriashov, deputy commander of the 3rd Assault Brigade, said Friday that Ukrainian troops were still holding out against the onslaught of about 15,000 Russian soldiers, but he expected the situation would “soon become critical.”

“The enemy is trying to penetrate our defense and in some places to bypass our positions,” he told The Associated Press.

The 3rd Brigade said on its social media account Friday that its soldiers were at the huge Avdiivka Coke Plant. Russian warplanes have been dropping about 60 bombs a day, relentlessly shelling the area and launching assaults with armor and infantry, the brigade said.

A video showed dense black smoke over the factory, said to be caused by burning fuel oil reservoirs. The post said: “Poisonous smog spreads all over the plant.”

Russian media reported the Kremlin’s forces were making extensive use of plane-launched glide bombs, which fly at a shallower angle, to batter Ukrainian positions.

White House national security spokesman John Kirby said on Thursday that Russian forces were beginning to overwhelm Ukrainian defenses in the eastern city. He said Avdiivka is at risk of falling to Russia, a development he blamed “in very large part” on the fact that Ukrainian forces are running out of artillery ammunition.

The United States is Ukraine’s biggest single supporter but some $60 billion for Kyiv is being held up by political disagreements among American lawmakers.

Heavily fortified with a web of tunnels and concrete fortifications, Avdiivka lies in the northern suburbs of Donetsk, a city in a region of the same name that Russian forces partially occupy. Capturing Avdiivka could be a timely boost for Moscow and serve as a possible springboard for Russia to drive deeper into the region.

Fewer than 1,000 people remain in the city, according to the Donetsk regional governor, Vadym Filashkin. The city, with a prewar population of about 31,000, is today a bombed-out shell of what it once was.

Aerial footage of Avdiivka obtained by The Associated Press last December showed an apocalyptic scene and hinted at Russia’s staggering losses, with the bodies of about 150 soldiers — most wearing Russian uniforms — lying scattered along tree lines where they sought cover.

However, the Institute for the Study of War, a Washington think tank, said Thursday that taking Avdiivka would be more of a symbolic win for the Kremlin and would not bring significant changes to the 1,500-kilometer (930-mile) front line that has barely budged in recent months.

“The potential Russian capture of Avdiivka would not be operationally significant and would likely only offer the Kremlin immediate informational and political victories,” the institute said in an assessment.

“Russian forces would be highly unlikely to make rapid operationally significant advances from Avdiivka if they captured the settlement, and the potential Russian capture of Avdiivka at most would set conditions for further limited tactical gains,” it added.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-avdiivka-c31eb7439d1983532a3f940061efe6e7
 
Russia reportedly starting major offensives across the front.

Smart move based on the high morale after the victory in Avdeevka

Slava Rossii!
Wasn't Russia supposed to capture Kiev in like one month when this war started? I could be wrong.
 
Avdiivka maters when minefields are enough after this nothing much.
Zelensky loves cities names and his nickname like for Putin is ....HUILO.
Syrsky and Zaluzny had told Zelensky Huilo about lack of ammunition for howitzers and mortars. Budanow had confirmed this.
Huelensky still is dreaming but where is wartime economy in Ukraine? In reports about fresh mortgage loans?
Huelensky needs to be locked in mental clinic today....
 
Wasn't Russia supposed to capture Kiev in like one month when this war started? I could be wrong.
I don’t know where you all getting this from. This was a quote from an American general, Russians never ever claimed it
 

Russia says it has taken Ukraine’s city of Avdiivka after a Ukrainian troop withdrawal​


BY ILLIA NOVIKOV AND BARRY HATTON
Updated 5:07 PM BRT, February 17, 2024


KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russian forces have taken complete control of the Ukrainian city of Avdiivka, Russia’s Defense Ministry said Saturday.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told the Kremlin that Russian forces were now working to clear the final pockets of resistance at the Avdiivka Coke and Chemical Plant, officials said in a statement. Videos on social media Saturday appeared to show soldiers raising the Russian flag over one of the plant’s buildings.

The announcement came the same day that Ukraine’s military chief said he was withdrawing troops from the city in eastern Ukraine where outnumbered defenders battled a Russian assault for four months.

The timing is critical as Russia is looking for a morale boost ahead of the second anniversary on Feb. 24 of Moscow’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine and the March presidential election in Russia.


In a short statement posted on Facebook, Ukrainian commander Col. Gen. Oleksandr Syrskyi said he had made the decision to avoid encirclement and “preserve the lives and health of servicemen.”



The commander-in-chief added that troops were moving to “more favorable lines.”

“Our soldiers performed their military duty with dignity, did everything possible to destroy the best Russian military units, inflicted significant losses on the enemy in terms of manpower and equipment.

“We are taking measures to stabilize the situation and maintain our positions,” the statement read.

The withdrawal came a day after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Friday made another trip to Western Europe, hoping to press his country’s Western allies to keep providing military support.

It was Syrskyi’s first major test since being appointed as Ukraine’s new army chief last week.

In his previous position as commander of Ukraine’s ground forces, he faced criticism for holding on to the city of Bakhmut for nine months, a siege that became the war’s longest and bloodiest battle and cost Ukraine dearly, but also served to sap Russia’s forces.

In recent days, reports emerged that Ukrainian troops in Avdiika faced a deteriorating situation.

Rodion Kudriashov, deputy commander of the 3rd Assault Brigade, said Friday that Ukrainian troops were still holding out against the onslaught of about 15,000 Russian soldiers, but he expected the situation would “soon become critical.”

“The enemy is trying to penetrate our defense and in some places to bypass our positions,” he told The Associated Press.

The 3rd Brigade said on its social media account Friday that its soldiers were at the huge Avdiivka Coke Plant. Russian warplanes have been dropping about 60 bombs a day, relentlessly shelling the area and launching assaults with armor and infantry, the brigade said.

A video showed dense black smoke over the factory, said to be caused by burning fuel oil reservoirs. The post said: “Poisonous smog spreads all over the plant.”

Russian media reported the Kremlin’s forces were making extensive use of plane-launched glide bombs, which fly at a shallower angle, to batter Ukrainian positions.

White House national security spokesman John Kirby said on Thursday that Russian forces were beginning to overwhelm Ukrainian defenses in the eastern city. He said Avdiivka is at risk of falling to Russia, a development he blamed “in very large part” on the fact that Ukrainian forces are running out of artillery ammunition.

The United States is Ukraine’s biggest single supporter but some $60 billion for Kyiv is being held up by political disagreements among American lawmakers.

Heavily fortified with a web of tunnels and concrete fortifications, Avdiivka lies in the northern suburbs of Donetsk, a city in a region of the same name that Russian forces partially occupy. Capturing Avdiivka could be a timely boost for Moscow and serve as a possible springboard for Russia to drive deeper into the region.

Fewer than 1,000 people remain in the city, according to the Donetsk regional governor, Vadym Filashkin. The city, with a prewar population of about 31,000, is today a bombed-out shell of what it once was.

Aerial footage of Avdiivka obtained by The Associated Press last December showed an apocalyptic scene and hinted at Russia’s staggering losses, with the bodies of about 150 soldiers — most wearing Russian uniforms — lying scattered along tree lines where they sought cover.

However, the Institute for the Study of War, a Washington think tank, said Thursday that taking Avdiivka would be more of a symbolic win for the Kremlin and would not bring significant changes to the 1,500-kilometer (930-mile) front line that has barely budged in recent months.

“The potential Russian capture of Avdiivka would not be operationally significant and would likely only offer the Kremlin immediate informational and political victories,” the institute said in an assessment.

“Russian forces would be highly unlikely to make rapid operationally significant advances from Avdiivka if they captured the settlement, and the potential Russian capture of Avdiivka at most would set conditions for further limited tactical gains,” it added.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-avdiivka-c31eb7439d1983532a3f940061efe6e7
The importance of taking Avdeevka is that it was the biggest Ukrainian stronghold in Donetsk region that Russians couldn’t take for years even though it’s located very close to Donetsk.
 
I don’t know where you all getting this from. This was a quote from an American general, Russians never ever claimed it
Yes i got that from America media. Why are you so proud about a Ukraine city falling?
 
Yes i got that from America media. Why are you so proud about an Ukraine city falling?
I feel it moves this conflict one step closer to its conclusion.

I know some people don’t like it, but it’s reality - Ukraine will have to sit down and negotiate.

They could’ve prevented it in February 2022 by agreeing on implementing Minsk accords or in March 2022 by proceeding with the peace agreement that they signed
 
How do you explain the numbers I presented ? If Russia didn’t give a shit about civilians, there would be way more casualties, no ? Eastern Ukrainians are considered as Russians by Russia, why the fuck would they try to target civilians there ?
First, your "numbers" are God knows what. Additionally, saying "we could kill even more if we wanted" isn't exactly a comforting or rational excuse in the face of already wanton targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure. Of course there's always an excuse to blame the people in the hospital, school, theater, random market place, etc etc
 
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