International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[AWilder]

Love seeing San Marine in full cope mode.
Warms the heart

It's hilarious.

 

[AWilder]

Not quite the whole picture:

Ukraine intel: Russia sits on missile mountain, churns out dozens monthly​

MSN
Despite the devastating blow to Russia’s strategic aviation, the enemy still possesses substantial missile stockpiles, including:
・Almost 600 Iskander-M ballistic missiles
・More than 100 Kinzhal hypersonic aeroballistic missiles
・Almost 300 Iskander-K cruise missiles
・More than 300 Kh-101 cruise missiles
・More than 400 Kalibr cruise missiles
・Up to 300 Kh-22/32 cruise missiles
・700 Onyx cruise missiles and Zircon hypersonic missiles
・60 KN-23 North Korean ballistic missiles.

There are also about 11,000 anti-aircraft guided missiles for the S-300P/S-400 air defense systems.

Russia Is ‘Grinding Down’ Ukraine To Victory Right Before Our Eyes​

MSN
. Russia is reportedly achieving its core objectives in Ukraine—securing annexed eastern oblasts, maintaining a land bridge to Crimea, and ensuring Ukraine's non-NATO, neutralized status—through a disciplined war of attrition, not by holding back out of fear of Western escalation.
. Despite Ukrainian counter-efforts, like a recent bomber strike deep into Russia, Moscow advances by fighting "smarter, not harder," leveraging superior artillery production, a resilient wartime economy, and Ukraine's mounting manpower crisis.
. This approach, focused on limited, achievable goals rather than total conquest, suggests Russia is on track to win on its terms, a reality the West has yet to fully acknowledge.
. Russia is not holding back in Ukraine because it’s afraid. It’s holding back because it doesn’t have to do more to win. That’s the part no one in Washington or Brussels wants to admit.
. Even yesterday’s dramatic Ukrainian bomber strike deep inside Russian territory – a bold, almost theatrical move designed to reassure Western sponsors – does not change the reality on the battlefield. Russia is advancing. Ukraine is eroding. And the war is being waged on Moscow’s terms.
. That doesn’t mean Russia wants to conquer all of Ukraine. It doesn’t. These are not the aims of a state pursuing some neo-imperial fantasy. They are limited, achievable objectives grounded in traditional strategic logic. Western commentators still insist that Russia’s goal is the total absorption of Ukraine.
. That’s why so much of the Russian military remains uncommitted. The air force has not been unleashed in full. Long-range missile strikes are calculated and limited. Elite ground units are rotated and preserved. Mobilization has been partial and politically controlled.

* If this is the best Ukraine can do against Russia, they have this conflict lost. Ukraine is currently losing the war on the battlefront where it counts. Russia is adding two Division of soldiers to this conflict per month. ...and we are still waiting for Russia's retaliation for Monday's strike. How many innocent Ukrainian civilians will die as a result of that? I guess those 'brilliant' Ukrainian tacticians did not think of that. Unfortunately, Ukraine was doomed from 24 February 2022. A valiant effort by the Ukrainians, but a loss like the US had in Vietnam.

I like how he edits the link to look like it's coming from a somewhat respectable news outlet but it's just a search engine aggregator.

 

[AWilder]

No.
That is because you are not going anywhere with your argument.
Russia does not need planes to launch their missiles bright boy.

Lolololol

 

[curryjunkie]

Just posting this for the first part. I don't know how to clip the rest of the video out.

As if that needed an explanation..

 

[curryjunkie]

I still can't figure out why Russia attacked Ukraine.
Only thing I can guess is that the US and especially the Bidens had business interests there.

 

[Strychnine]

Active-duty Army officer who was once enlisted but earned a commission.

 

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[Strychnine]

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I still can't figure out why Russia attacked Ukraine.
Only thing I can guess is that the US and especially the Bidens had business interests there.

He attacked Ukraine because it contains vital territory and resources. Now that he's lost control over their government, and they were strengthening ties with the West, it seemed like a reasonable gamble. Most people thought Russia would take Kiev and replace the government within a couple of weeks.

What I can't figure out is why he continues to throw good money after bad. Even without US monetary aid the EU will continue to fund them. They realize the long term danger Putin poses. There are also probably enough Republicans, no matter how fiscally conservative, that realize that danger too so Ukraine should continue to get intelligence from us now that Trump got his minerals deal.

Maybe it's just a matter of saving face for Putin but at this point it's almost pyrrhic even if he keeps all the land they now control.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Well, yes.
Did the Ukrainians think they would get away with a strike deep inside Russia? The sad part of all this is that innocent Ukrainian civilians will pay with their lives. Putin will follow the Netanyahu 'doctrine.'

The sad part of all this is that you've sunken to endorsing terrorism in order to cheerlead this Russian invasion. Putin has been attacking civilians and civilian infrastructure for years so your threats are laughable. What we do know is that whatever his response it will be carried out with a weakened Air Force.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

At the cost of 100,000 casualties and the inability to ever control the territory they take.




You said this earlier right before they retook land and then invaded russia proper.



Old men who won't be properly equipped.




You told us it would be over 2 1/2 years ago. Europe can outlast russia, and will.




So they aren't in an offensive ground campain now? Well I guess you gotta say something to explain how terrible it's been going. Is this part of a 3-year long feint?

Do you think the problems is that russians are bad a lying? Think about it, if you would have told us you were a private who got kicked out of the military within 2-weeks, we might have believed your background for a bit. Instead you told us that you were a Major in the Army with 20+ years of experience, and were then confused by how high-altitude bombers worked. I'm just saying, for your next account, maybe keep it more believable? I mean, we'll still think you're stupid, but maybe we won't make fun of the blatant lying.

Just be thankful he didn't claim to be a general or colonel.

 

[San Marino]

The sad part of all this is that you've sunken to endorsing terrorism in order to cheerlead this Russian invasion.

Terrorism? Is that what the Russian military operation in Ukraine is now called?
How about the Israelis in Gaza?

Putin has been attacking civilians and civilian infrastructure for years so your threats are laughable. What we do know is that whatever his response it will be carried out with a weakened Air Force.

Does Russia need an Air Force to attack Ukraine?
So, those nuclear ICBMs that Russia has for long range attack can't fly themselves? They need to be strapped to a plane?

 

[LangfordBarrow]

No, no, no. You are wrong again Ryan. As always.
You were wrong with San Marino and now you are wrong with @Joe_Armstrong. Man, when are you going to get one right. The Invasion had to do with NATO membership and the abuse of the ethnic Russian minority in eastern Ukraine by the Zelensky government. At least Google the question for Christ's sake.

There was talk of annexing this land all the way back to the Orange Revolution. The election Putin's ally won was deemed fraudulent and voided after civilian protests. That there were more CIA agents in the crowd than civilians, just like at the Capitol on J6, I have not been able to confirm.

 

[San Marino]

At the cost of 100,000 casualties and the inability to ever control the territory they take.

100,000?
Boy, Russia wish it was that low. Try 700,000. Controlling 20% of Ukraine. Ukraine has not recovered any territory.

You told us it would be over 2 1/2 years ago.

I did? Where? Quote me please.

Europe can outlast russia, and will.

Your point being? If you have one.

So they aren't in an offensive ground campain now?

Spelled 'campaign.' No, not from what I have been reading and posting. Again, for the 13th time, Russia is trading ground for Ukrainian casualties. There may very well be some offensive campaigns if the opportunity arises, but the current focus is to decimate the Ukrainian Army through attrition.

Well I guess you gotta say something to explain how terrible it's been going.

For Ukraine? Yes, with 45% of their Army destroyed and shrinking by the month. Russia is adding two Division to fight in theater per month. How many is Ukraine adding?

Think about it, if you would have told us you were a private who got kicked out of the military within 2-weeks, we might have believed your background for a bit. Instead you told us that you were a Major in the Army with 20+ years of experience, and were then confused by how high-altitude bombers worked.

Totally off topic. The little E-5 Marine never disappoints with his venom. Didn't make it through OCS did you? Didn't have what it takes to be an officer. Two deployments with the Reserves when most were doing 3 to 4 deployments on Active Duty. 5 years in or was that 6? Did you get kicked out or was it not promotable material? Yeah, those NCOERs. I bet you kept hitting below 50% every time. The Marines sure made you a bitter little bitch. Cry some more! I'm going to start calling you "Blueballs." It is more fitting.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Terrorism? Is that what the Russian military operation in Ukraine is now called?
How about the Israelis in Gaza?

Does Russia need an Air Force to attack Ukraine?
So, those nuclear ICBMs that Russia has for long range attack can't fly themselves? They need to be strapped to a plane?

Yes, he can launch from within Russian controlled territory, but at what target that's going to be equivalent to a Pearl Harbor? It's not like civilian targets have been off limits to this point, but a clear strike at civilians as you imply would clearly constitute a war crime.

I'd label Putin a terrorist not only for the civilian strikes he's already ordered, there's also all the assassinations of his critics, but what's going on in Gaza isn't only a war crime it looks like genocide.

 

[Darkballs]

There may very well be some offensive campaigns if the opportunity arises, but the current focus is to decimate the Ukrainian Army through attrition.

And intentionally bombing civilians. Lets not forget to leave that out.

But it's hilarious that you're trying to spin russia's inability to gain ground as part of a grand strategy. But I guess you have to say something to explain away failure. But this doesn't make any sense if you look at where the fighting is taking place. The majority of russian casualties are coming from the retarded meatwave assaults across open terrain. Pretty dumb to fight in the places they are fighting if they don't intend to advance in the region.

Totally off topic. The little E-5 Marine never disappoints with his venom. Didn't make it through OCS did you? Didn't have what it takes to be an officer.

I joined when I was 18 you nerd. And anyone who served would know a sergeant spends more time in the dirt than an officer. Try to think through your flex the next time.

Two deployments with the Reserves when most were doing 3 to 4 deployments on Active Duty. 5 years in or was that 6? Did you get kicked out or was it not promotable material? Yeah, those NCOERs. I bet you kept hitting below 50% every time. The Marines sure made you a bitter little bitch. Cry some more! I'm going to start calling you "Blueballs." It is more fitting.

You know no one in the veteran thread believes you served, right?

 

[San Marino]

It's not like civilian targets have been off limits to this point, but a clear strike at civilians as you imply would clearly constitute a war crime.

...but the Israelis are doing exactly that, and it is not being considered a war crime. Why judge Russia by a different standard?

...but what's going on in Gaza isn't only a war crime it looks like genocide.

Agreed.

 

[Strychnine]

Anyone have the guts to tell her where the men are?

Spoiler

They are fertilizing flowers in Ukraine.

 

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