International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

If you support the USA war machine against the Russia war machine, you're literally just presenting the position that other states are okay to have their sovereignty invaded* other than your own.
 


The US is using the same rhetoric that Kremlin defenders use = that America needs to protect its backyard (the entire Western hemisphere) from foreign military powers.

What are the philosophical repercussions of this for Ukrainian nationalism?

If the philosophical position of Russia is bad, then what are you contributing to the world if you're basically funded by the American imperialist war machine?

One recent answer to this is that the US topples dictatorships = thus these interventions are justified.

Russia is not justified in invading other countries because it is not democratic.

The logic breaks apart here when you consider that (1) the USA basically treats theocratic Saudi Arabia like a 51st state

If you support the USA war machine against the Russia war machine, you're literally just presenting the position that other states are okay to be exploited other than your own.

I'm just playing around with this line of thinking. I don't mean to disrespect anyone or hurt anyone's feelings.

So you have the high ground now,

Right?
 
The US is using the same rhetoric that Kremlin defenders use = that America needs to protect its backyard (the entire Western hemisphere) from foreign military powers.
Not really.

Ukraine is a democracy that was not violating international law. And Venezuela was run by a criminal, illegal, illegitimate dictatorship.

While I don't agree with the US taking out Maduro for a variety of reasons, there is no comparison. Russia is waging a genocidal war and the US was taking out the leader of an illegal regime.
 
It's Kabuki theatre, the US grabbed Maduro in what was likely a pre-planned exchange, none of the helicopters took fire and no military bases or anything important was blown up by the Americans. I believe the Venezuelan military was ordered to stand down while the US blew up a bunch of empty warehouses and grabbed Maduro, I think we'll find out what the deal was and who got bribed to arrange it as more info leaks out.

This was not some super special A-team operation by the US, you don't do what they just did with helicopters against an enemy which is actually trying to resist, at best you get Somolia and Blackhawk Down, casually flying choppers over a city where there's hundreds if not thousands of MANPADs and other AA systems is a good way of losing everything.
I think you have a point. Why would Maduro's wife come along?
There is a good video in the Maduro/Venezuela thread that explains the operation in detail. The US neutralized a variety of military targets prior to and during the helicopter fly in. Maybe a large part of the Venezuelan military was anti-Maduro and allowed this to happen.

Either way, the US now controls Venezuela and its oil. Greenland is next on the list. Denmark won't do shit.

In a wild scenario, Putin and Trump plan to end the war in Ukraine by dividing the country into two. Like Germany post WWII. The United States will take 60% of western Ukraine and Russia 40% of eastern Ukraine. Zelensky will be flown to Germany or France. Europe will do nothing, as usual. Ukrainians will be very happy to be under the control and safety of the US. Everyone ends up happy.

So, the American takeover playbook of Venezuela will be used in Greenland, Ukraine, and possibly Iran. Europe will bow and go right along with the plan. As always.

China will be excited and take back Taiwan. If the US can do it, so can we (China).
North Korea (and the only fat boy in the country - Kim Jong Un) will also want a piece of the action and take over South Korea.
The United States will do nothing in either scenario. Taiwan and South Korea can do their own fighting.

2026 is turning out to be a great year gentlemen!
A three-way split between the United States, Russia, and China.
Many geopolitical changes on the horizon...
Cheers!
 
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We'll see what happens in the next few days & months, but I think this was a pure PR play much like the claimed bombing & destruction of Iran's nuclear facilities.
Unless the US is planning to control Venezuela via smart phones and video calls, it will have to have a large military/civilian contingent on the ground. I believe 90% of Venezuelans support the US and Trump. Ukrainians also prefer American over Russian control.
 
I am against this operation but the country and world is better off.


I don't think it was some conspiracy as Aerius proposed it simply means that US has no equal other than maybe China. Could US have done this over some other smaller power just like this? Maybe but not with such precision. Venezuelans simply lacked the hardware.

I have read that Venezuelans lost around 60 soldiers and US suffered some number of undisclosed casualties but no one died on the American side.

US bombed multiple sites around Caracas and were able to turn the power off to the entire capital. They literally practiced on a full scale life sized replica of Maduro's safe house while preparing for the operation. This wasn't some 70% of the country love us type delusional thinking Russia was going on with.


"The troops took fire when they arrived, and one of the US helicopters was hit but was still able to fly. "The apprehension force descended into Maduro's compound and moved with speed, precision and discipline," Gen Caine said.

"They just broke in, and they broke into places that were not really able to be broken into, you know, steel doors that were put there for just this reason," Trump remarked.

It was only as the operation - which also saw Maduro's wife, Cilia Flores, seized - was unfolding that Rubio began notifying lawmakers about the action, a decision which has since prompted anger from some in the US Congress.

"Let me be clear: Nicolas Maduro is an illegitimate dictator. But launching military action without congressional authorisation and without a credible plan for what comes next is reckless," said top Democrat Chuck Schumer, the party's leader in the Senate.

Briefing Congress ahead of time would have endangered the mission, Rubio told reporters during the news conference on Saturday. "Congress has a tendency to leak," Trump added. "This would not be good."

.......

""He was trying to get to a safe place, which wasn't safe, because we would have had the door blown up in about 47 seconds," Trump said.

"He made it to the door. He was unable to close it. He got bum rushed so fast that he didn't get into that [room]."

When asked if the US could have killed Maduro, an authoritarian leader who took over the presidency in 2013, if he had resisted arrest, Trump said: "It could have happened."

On the US side, "a couple of guys were hit", he said, but no US service members were killed.

In a statement on Sunday, Venezuelan Defence Minister Vladimir Padrino said a "large part" of Maduro's security team and "soldiers and innocent civilians" were killed in the US operation.

The US had previously offered a $50m (£37m) reward for information leading to Maduro's arrest. But by 04:20 local time on Saturday, helicopters were leaving Venezuelan territory with Maduro and his wife on board, in custody of the US Department of Justice and en route ultimately to New York, where they are expected to face criminal charges.

Almost exactly an hour later Trump announced the news of his capture to the world. "Maduro and his wife will soon face the full might of American justice," he said."
 
no, I think war is bad.
War can be a very good thing:
. The American colonists gained independence from Britain (American Revolution), and the United Sates was born.
. The American Civil War kept the United States as one nation (Union victory) and ended slavery.
. Nazi Germany was destroyed by war from the Americans and Soviets.
. Imperial Japan was destroyed by American might in WWII. ...and the atomic age began. Thanks to 'Little Boy' and 'Fat Man.'

* I still can't wrap my head around how 1 pound of Uranium-235 turned into a 15-kiloton explosion. This was 1945!
I have 1 pound of Uranium-238 in my collection, and it is small and extremely heavy. About 1/2 the size of a regular cigarette box.
 
Lukashenko again had installed " agricultural advisors " from North Korea, Iran and China for peaceful experience exchange.
These officers are radioelectronic warfare engineers.
 
Vancerump doesn't think about ukr.
Witkopf told that Columbia does have emeralds, gold and silver and a lot of crude oil.
Trump told that Columbia does have bad government and special operation might be considered.
 
Spinmarina is pedalling russian threats with nukes for western pussies.....
For paycheck.

Btw device with gun type was simple and damn crude ....only problem was to accumulate enough HEU.
Yanks weren't able to produce enough HEU for test device and actual bomb, therefore dropped untested bomb.
Damn simple device and it wasn't with 1 lbs of U235 content.... more.
2 bodies from HEU, Po inserts in one part base and cannon type assembly with explosives in both ends.

Implosion device was more complicated but they had enough plutonium to afford test device in desert.
With assembly potential calculations testing Luis died.
 
India had managed to weasel out a lot by doing reverse calculations after had used research reactor.
They had manufactured weapons grade plutionium in fuel rods and told that they does needs this for peaceful science.
Therefore they managed to calculate pits parameters without using too much test pits assembly episodes.

However Pakistan and China managed to use as first devices enriched uranium implosion type assembly devices instead to use plutonium.
 
For 2 gen devices with implosion type assembly by using 92 lenses is needed 15- 20-25 kg HEU with enrichment level 90% and more.
Or significantly lesser mass of plutonium.

One thing is that HEU if not irridiated does keeps quality almost endlessly..unlike Pu.

In thermonuclear weapons might be used also depleted uranium as element of tampers to prolong lenses work before assembly will fall apart.
Lenses are cummulative type charges used to compress device .....

Gun type devices are not economical because needs a lot of HEU and does generate small yield vs mass used.
 
Small devices like 152mm, 155 mm and 203 mm arty shells are using not full linear implosion and it is not economical usage of fissile material.
Also damn expensive to manufacture and not always possible even to inspect device.
Arming procedure without codes and irreversible....

You have box with keys and code, after you will open box, all you will need will be to pull out one " rope " and then next will appear. After this too will be pulled out device will be armed irreversible.
Full arming will be after shell will be inserted in howitzer and ofc charges will be loaded and bahh.

For USSR nuclear arty stationed in East Germany first " wire " was red, 2 nd white. After white will be remowed device is armed forewer.

They had also Luna and Luna M missiles, they too didn't had codes and if temperature 0 C° or above you don't need to warm up pit.

If you need, then pull switch, electricity will do job. After beep device is ready to launch.

Codes for small stuff appeared with Thocka stuff...

Luna had 0 codes and therefore yanks always were worried that some drunk officer might use them.
 
Not really.

Ukraine is a democracy that was not violating international law. And Venezuela was run by a criminal, illegal, illegitimate dictatorship.

While I don't agree with the US taking out Maduro for a variety of reasons, there is no comparison. Russia is waging a genocidal war and the US was taking out the leader of an illegal regime.

Saudi Arabia is a democracy too and the USA loves it.
 
Putin had asked Lithuanian natural gas gird operator to agree supply natural gas for Kaliningrad.
After obiviously China had installed thermonuclear weapons in Belarus together with agricultural advisors.
However they can't maintain pressure in this pipeline without BCG services.
Putin told that he will pay transit fees 5 years 30 m € each year if Kaliningrad will have natural gas supplies. Putin is also concerned about internet traffic for Kaliningrad oblastj and electricity grid balance ( they still does have this ).
Actually Lithuania does have relatively good relationships with Kaliningrad oblastj russians. Therefore connections for grid balance still are working smoothly.
 
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