International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

[SandisLL]

He’s Estonian, has nothing to do with Russia

Unless Russia is filling Estonia with UKr and Russian refugees .....
Don't be too cocky comrade.

 

[Cid]

What’s the total amount we’ve given to Ukraine now?

Okay — what are those numbers in total?

Looks like $75 billion and 72 billion from EU

Very little.

Honest question...

Are you going to be deliberately obtuse if I explain it?

Because it's a pretty complicated question and I have a sneaking suspicion your question is meant to look sincere when it isn't.

And if you're just trying to be an immature ass hat I really can't be bothered wasting the time writing up a sincere answer.

 

[SandisLL]

Looks like $75 billion and 72 billion from EU

It isn't correct number form EU because they are afraid to get their voters mad, therefore they are reporting on monthly basis and for different institutions...

Assistance provide by EU countries in total already is more than 100 b EUR plus they had to spend on ukr refugees more than 45 b EUR and additionally to reserve more than 300 b EUR to compensate fuel price changes and on top of this there are individual donations and re emitences .

 

[ViD]

Unless Russia is filling Estonia with UKr and Russian refugees .....
Don't be too cocky comrade.

It would be cheaper to just buy off the Estonian politicians

 

[Rob Battisti]

Very little.

Honest question...

Are you going to be deliberately obtuse if I explain it?

Because it's a pretty complicated question and I have a sneaking suspicion your question is meant to look sincere when it isn't.

And if you're just trying to be an immature ass hat I really can't be bothered wasting the time writing up a sincere answer.

Why would I be deliberately obtuse? Is it not $75 billion? I’ve seen that number on 5 different reputable sources. Obviously a mix between financial, humanitarian and military aide.

 

[SandisLL]

It would be cheaper to just buy off the Estonian politicians

It is your dream. You are thinking that they are poor idiots and should be under Kremlin and if you had openly posted what things you really want to happen and that you support Kremlin's imperialistic ambitions for me it had been acceptable lad with balls. Nothing else.


Estonia does have mosques and sinagogas and a lot of immigrants and refugees.
All they should do maybe to reduce number of patrols and then fun will happen. Additionally my Russian comrade, they aren't Kurds No2 or dreamers. Therefore enough had been sold and borrowed and west will be hurt damn badly if will repeat their weak game again.....

 

[SandisLL]

Why would I be deliberately obtuse? Is it not $75 billion? I’ve seen that number on 5 different reputable sources. Obviously a mix between financial, humanitarian and military aide.

Macro financial assistance is 1 from 900+ instruments and even with this alone one Ukr had received 36,5 b EUR and this month will get next portion 1,5 b EUR . In real money transfers.
And this is only one from 900 + instruments.

So STFU
I'm scared that we should waste our taxpayers money on american weapons because China and Iran might sell for cheaper price and it is shame that we can't negotiate with China and Iran to get cheaper stuff with fast deliveries.

 

[PEB]

 

[PEB]

 

[SandisLL]

Ukraine started to use for night warfare some drone called Baba Yaga.
This drone is assumed that does have ability to drop 33-40 lbs payload and to act 7-15 km from frontline.
Ukr are using mortar shells to be dropped from drone Baba Yaga.
They posted that Yaga will be improved and upgraded.

I really don't have clue about this drone Baba Yaga.

 

[ViD]

It is your dream. You are thinking that they are poor idiots and should be under Kremlin and if you had openly posted what things you really want to happen and that you support Kremlin's imperialistic ambitions for me it had been acceptable lad with balls. Nothing else.

Yes, that’s what it is, Baltic states are poor idiots. I don’t need them to be under Kremlin and frankly I don’t care about them at all, but since you’re saying Russia is trying to take over by migration, I’m telling you it’s easier to buy your politicians

 

[SandisLL]

Yes, that’s what it is, Baltic states are poor idiots. I don’t need them to be under Kremlin and frankly I don’t care about them at all, but since you’re saying Russia is trying to take over by migration, I’m telling you it’s easier to buy your politicians

It is common narrative while they doesn't care what stuff other ppl will tell about them. They are even more Nordic than Finland and never will gave bare fuck what thing others will tell ....they aren't idiots my dear comrade. Even to waste time to prove something for guys like you. It isn't worth...to waste time.

Yes, they earlier even had attempted to get Putin with Russia in EU and NATO.
Yes, they aren't dreamers like Kurds were but cold calculating machines.

You might tell that their politicians is easy to buy and maybe you are correct while till some extent....
Otherwise ....

Also you definitely will be happy that they prefer to sell local businesses to foreigners and to purchase stuff in holy west and never will gave bare f*** about things ppl like you will think about them or post. They are really cold ....don't worry, be happy and it is business and nothing personal.

 

[SandisLL]

So here trolls posts doesn't matter.
From fiscal criteria Baltic countries in at least 15 parameters are better than Germany and they will never care what stuff random ppl will post in internet.
Yes, they aren't " rich " on paper and still they aren't enough idiotic to worry about what stuff random guy will post.
More than this: they love to pretend that they have lesser than they actually does have so....to call them poor will be waste of time if you want to insult.

They might had even more boosted up def expenses and I think that they should do this again....

 

[Cid]

Why would I be deliberately obtuse? Is it not $75 billion? I’ve seen that number on 5 different reputable sources. Obviously a mix between financial, humanitarian and military aide.

Because with all due respect Americans are a bunch of partisan retards incapable of thinking outside the constraints of your hyper-partisan country and it's a pain in the ass explaining stuff to people who just want to turn this into some D/R Lib/Cons dribble.


There's a long established pattern over 14 threads of "i used to be a democrat until they made Tarzan a black gay man" posters coming into these threads asking how much this war costs.

Then they prattle off something about the MSM, regurgitate a whole bunch of talking points from the largest media conglomerate in the world, Fox News. Completely unaware of the irony because they're partisan morons.

Then they say something about weapons manufacturers being the real winners and and infer only way America is not going to get passed by China is to adopt the geopolitical equivalent of the MGTOW movement.

Basically completely ignoring my explanation and wasting my time.


As an Australian who fucking hates China this shit is just frustrating. It happens again and again and again and despite my best intentions you guys just ignore your sherbro who legitimately has your best interests at heart (because they align with mine) and post a bunch of MSM garbage links while claiming to hate the MSM.


I would say so far there hasn't been a single person who has asked this question who actually genuinely wants to know the answer. They just want to use it as a starting point to argue America shouldn't send aid.


Anyone giving you a number is lying. You can't put an accurate number on the price of military aid. Any source that says you can is fucking garbage.

But I can tell you with 100% certainty every military aid price tag is substantially higher than what it is worth.

 

[AWilder]

Nice, looks like the gunner switched from airburst to sabot or he. MTLB is weak to pretty much everything over .308 iirc.

 

[SandisLL]

If about Lukashenko relationships with Baltic countries here is one example.
2019 th. Despite pressure from some circles and yelling Latvian PM had confirmed that they might negotiate with Lukashenko about electricity sales deal. " Electricity doesn't have citizenship or nationality and we might ink deal."
While in 2020 th appeared that Lukashenko is very strange and really IMHO old.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Because with all due respect Americans are a bunch of partisan retards incapable of thinking outside the constraints of your hyper-partisan country and it's a pain in the ass explaining stuff to people who just want to turn this into some D/R Lib/Cons dribble.


There's a long established pattern over 14 threads of "i used to be a democrat until they made Tarzan a black gay man" posters coming into these threads asking how much this war costs.

Then they prattle off something about the MSM, regurgitate a whole bunch of talking points from the largest media conglomerate in the world, Fox News. Completely unaware of the irony because they're partisan morons.

Then they say something about weapons manufacturers being the real winners and and infer only way America is not going to get passed by China is to adopt the geopolitical equivalent of the MGTOW movement.

Basically completely ignoring my explanation and wasting my time.


As an Australian who fucking hates China this shit is just frustrating. It happens again and again and again and despite my best intentions you guys just ignore your sherbro who legitimately has your best interests at heart (because they align with mine) and post a bunch of MSM garbage links while claiming to hate the MSM.


I would say so far there hasn't been a single person who has asked this question who actually genuinely wants to know the answer. They just want to use it as a starting point to argue America shouldn't send aid.


Anyone giving you a number is lying. You can't put an accurate number on the price of military aid. Any source that says you can is fucking garbage.

But I can tell you with 100% certainty every military aid price tag is substantially higher than what it is worth.

Yeah if they are telling us 75 billion it’s likely more

 

[Goonerview]

Yes that would be so terrible if Taiwan or Japan got attacked and America came to your rescue

You’re responding to a stupid troll comment by the way. Like how would Taiwan be “fucking around” and become the next Ukraine?

The best case scenario is a peaceful status quo. The last thing we need is the US sailing warships through the Taiwan straights, provoking China.

War-hawks in the US and weapons manufacturer lobbyists want war, so they can make money … do you not get this?

 

[Cid]

Yeah if they are telling us 75 billion it’s likely more

Oh I see you're already an expert.

Why ask then?

It's less than what they say. A lot less.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Oh I see you're already an expert.

Why ask then?

It's less than what they say.

Why would it be less? What I’m not positive on is the military aide figure being the cost or depreciated cost. If it’s the depreciated cost that is a sign that the number is higher.