International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

[ViD]

They have been doing that since the cold war, they support American enemies whenever they can.

Russia decided to shun the West and restart the Cold War, its up to them if they want to be enemies of the West and in this case there is no need to put the other cheek.

What is very stupid however is try to appease your enemies when you clearly have the upper hand, these people don't see American compromises as attempts for peace but as weakness.

If this continues don't be surprised if shit gets worse over time.

 

[ViD]

Why did Russia need neutrality from former Soviet states?

Russia is as unlikely to attack NATO as NATO was to ever attack Russia.

It wouldn't have mattered one bit if Soviet states had joined NATO. Several have, and nothing ever happened.

Same thing as the Monroe Dictrine. The US will never allow Mexico to join Russian led military alliance

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Apologies. Was more a dig at the left/ right situation than your take on the situation in Russia

True that, no worries. I don’t even look at it as a left vs right thing, outside that the left (not moderates or independents) were given some kind of dog whistle to defend this disgrace of a geopolitical money laundering operation and sales boost for the military industrial complex, despite for decades being the anti-war, anti-MIC, anti-Nazi party. Now they literally the part of anti-Jew Nazis, who support an ongoing proxy way. Beautiful time to be alive

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Same thing as the Monroe Dictrine. The US will never allow Mexico to join Russian led military alliance

Russia provably invades neighbouring countries.

Does USA?

 

[SandisLL]

Considering that 44% of Ukrainians are willing to accept territorial loss to get a peace treaty signed according to the latest polls, and Zelensky unwilling to hold any elections and completely suppressing any opposition voices, it might become a choice of one man who usurped the power and is too afraid to lose it

Peace treaty with Russia always will be just ceasefire before next war......we know this.


Ofc for Russia it will be good, as you wanted.

Part of Ukr annexed and incorporated in Russia.
Other part will sit in poverty, ofc without weapons supplies etc.
Russia will produce weapons, accumulate a lot of them , Iran , Belarus and North Korea ofc will continue support and supply Russia.
Then next war and vuala all Ukraine will be annexed.
There is also Moldova, dangerous for Russia...next war....

We know Russia.

 

[ViD]

Russia provably invades neighbouring countries.

Does USA?

What are you referring to ? Georgia in 2008 ? That was an intervention to defend the pro Russian regions from the Georgian aggression.

2014 Crimea ? It was a response to an illegal toppling of a legitimate president and calls to end the Crimea rental agreement with Russian Black Fleet

 

[ViD]

Peace treaty with Russia always will be just ceasefire before next war......we know this.

What we actually know is that Ukraine was never going to proceed with the Minsk agreements as per Zelensky himself, Markel and Hollande. So, it was not the Russians who broke that agreement.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

What are you referring to ? Georgia in 2008 ? That was an intervention to defend the pro Russian regions from the Georgian aggression.

2014 Crimea ? It was a response to an illegal toppling of a legitimate president and calls to end the Crimes rental agreement with Russian Black Fleet

You've just named 2 neighbouring countries that Russia has invaded.

I'm not interested in excuses.

Can you name any neighbouring countries that the US has invaded, or not?

 

[ViD]

You've just named 2 neighbouring countries that Russia has invaded.

I'm not interested in excuses.

Can you name any neighbouring countries that the US has invaded, or not?

The US has two neighboring countries, it’s a dumb comparison. They had invaded plenty of others.

 

[SandisLL]

Ofc Putin might be happy because Zelensky is dumb.
This allowed to use fairy tales about " bad NATO ".
Ukr had 0 chances to get accepted in NATO, more than this: obiviously they even didn't had sold ukr any heavy weapons.
Even worse: Zelensky continued to talk about NATO even after couldn't purchase MANPADS in Nov 2021 th.

Funny that he didn't get what means embassy perssonel relocation from Kiev to Lvov....and navy ships relocation from Black Sea.

Still lived in dreams.

 

[Blayt7hh]

They actually always had it. I understand that if a person were to only look at mainstream American news, they wouldn't believe that, but it's true. Not gonna deny that Ukraine has put up a hell of a fight, but most of Russia's pull backs were due to their own planning decisions.

You’re aware that since the summer of 22 Russia has lost more ground than they have gained right? Doesn’t sound like they’ve always had the momentum to me.

Of course I don’t follow the war on Tuckers podcast though so that’s why I know the truth

 

[Deleted member 585708]

The US has two neighboring countries, it’s a dumb comparison. They had invaded plenty of others.

Okay, so did they invade another continental country because they didn't want to be best buds anymore?

 

[Blayt7hh]

Do people really actually believe this garbage ? Russia will attack NATO ?

All Russia needed was security guarantees and neutrality of the former Soviet states.

In 2022 would Russia have been dumb enough to attack NATO? Maybe. I don’t know.

Today they sure as shit know they would get quickly squashed if they did though

 

[Deleted member 585708]

In 2022 would Russia have been dumb enough to attack NATO? Maybe. I don’t know.

Today they sure as shit know they would get quickly squashed if they did though

I think in 2022 the answer was no, but in 2024 the answer is FUCK NO.

Unless they actually had China at their back, which they don't, then there's zero chance that happens today.

 

[ViD]

In 2022 would Russia have been dumb enough to attack NATO? Maybe. I don’t know.

Today they sure as shit know they would get quickly squashed if they did though

USA and partly Turkey removed, NATO is also a paper tiger, they can’t produce enough artillery shells for a month of fighting, who is going to “squash” Russia ?

 

[Blayt7hh]

USA and partly Turkey removed, NATO is also a paper tiger, they can’t produce enough artillery shells for a month of fighting, who is going to “squash” Russia ?

The US doesn't need help from anyone to do it, but I am no longer convinced that Russia could take on Poland by themselves

 

[Rod1]

Considering that 44% of Ukrainians are willing to accept territorial loss to get a peace treaty signed according to the latest polls, and Zelensky unwilling to hold any elections and completely suppressing any opposition voices, it might become a choice of one man who usurped the power and is too afraid to lose it

peace treaty WITH security guarantees that involve Article 5 levels of security.


Zelensky would gladly sign peace with territorial swaps if it means NATO.

 

[Rod1]

Same thing as the Monroe Dictrine. The US will never allow Mexico to join Russian led military alliance

And yet Russia allowed Finland to join NATO.

 

[Rod1]

What we actually know is that Ukraine was never going to proceed with the Minsk agreements as per Zelensky himself, Markel and Hollande. So, it was not the Russians who broke that agreement.

Russia was not a party in Minsk

2014 Crimea ? It was a response to an illegal toppling of a legitimate president and calls to end the Crimea rental agreement with Russian Black Fleet

Illegal according to who? and who made Russia world police? also Russia took the whole peninsula.

This is why Russia can't be trusted they always find any BS excuse to break deals.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

And yet Russia allowed Finland to join NATO.

It doesn't really matter.

@ViD knows that former Soviet nations have joined NATO. He knows that countries bordering Russia have joined NATO.

What he doesn't want to admit is that Russia was wrong to invade Ukraine, or that Ukraine was free to reject a Russian-installed puppet leader and go in a different direction. Ukraine was even free to install a US-installed puppet leader, and that still doesn't give Russia the right to invade Ukraine.

There is zero chance this guy can actually make the Russian assault on Ukraine make sense, but he just wants it to have been the fair, correct, legal, and right decision.

It wasn't.