International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

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calavera2 said:
You're a nut casse...what great friends the west? I suppose they should have chosen Russia as they are great freaking neighbors.

But I agree they should give Ukraine what it needs to win....they need to stop fearing Russian escalation.
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Russian escalation more like Russia helping the sea bed with new underwater places for plants to grow on such as Russia battleships lol.
 
Now besides awful situation that Ukr will not get ammo supplies from Slovakia there are some damn very bad news and one really awful new thus far...for Ukr.
1. EU had failed to accept 50 b EUR long term assistance bill xxx bla bla bla.
2. EU lawmakers had failed to accept next bill : bill zzz bla bla bla in form of 20 b medium term assistance bill...
3. EC didn't had signed macro financial assistance bill for January 2024 th...It is worst stuff from all these mentioned, if UKr will not get these monthly injections they will be forced to declare State Treasury default de facto. Bill isn't signed ....

Will see how this will end here.
 
Ex-Nato chief proposes Ukraine joins without Russian-occupied territories
"Rasmussen, who was Nato’s secretary general between 2009 and 2014, insisted that a plan for partial Ukraine membership would not symbolise a freezing of the conflict, but would instead mark a determination to warn Russia that it cannot prevent Ukraine joining the western defensive alliance."

Full article :
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ne-joins-without-russian-occupied-territories

 
Fake Doctor said:
Nah. I've spent over a year now watching figures in government, talking heads, and fatass internet slobs salivating about the "great bargain for the West" of saying "We've got your back!" to Ukraine as they give them all the resources they need to fight the war, but not enough to win it, as they position Ukrainian bodies to die bleeding Russia. There is a lot of pretending - and a lot of the particularly dumb ones actually believe it, I suppose - that this was an effort to beat Russia rather than positioning Ukraine as a pawn in some geopolitical game. The whole scheme was pretty openly parroted earlier and now as public interest in the war wanes and "We're with you to the end! For freedom! For democracy!" fades in favour of "Well, we can't support you much longer, so we need to start thinking about peace talks" it becomes triply apparent that this just-enough-drip of equipment, withholding what Ukraine said they needed to win the war, was the game plan all along.

This series of threads is worth reading from the start if you want to see a bunch of boobs who bought Western propaganda on a conflict hook, line, and sinker, and the next few months will be the intellectual off-ramp where you guys slowly rationalize that Ukraine isn't winning the war, your governments never were committed to them winning the war, and the real winners and losers are exactly who I said in that post you're responding to. Now that the yellow and blue isn't today's hot topic, and the West does what it does and offloads them like yesterday's stale bread before an election cycle comes up (it might take two), you guys will need a new hobby, and Ukraine will get to spend the next decade counting their dead and thinking on what great friends the West has been to them through all of this.
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How many Roubles you get paid for that load of rubbish? A Russin shill always talks bout UKR loses but never menntions the damage it has done to Russia. Russia will never be the same after this war with the damage it has done to itself. If you think Russia is going to gain some land and live happily ever after with their buddies from Iran and NK your fooling yourself.
 
So I will explain this macro financial assistance how this does work in real life.
Without nice talks.
Ukraine is printing their National currency via printing machine.
Each week they are selling 400-800m USD to by back printed grivnas.
Supposed macro financial assistance is 1,5 b each month.
Additionally there are loans and other individual grants.

If UKr will not get these injections they will be in the end forced to declare State Treasury default de facto and de Iure.
 
Being reported by washington post and der spiegel that ukr took out nordstream with 6 man team, officer as leader. Was the yacht that was spotted in area apperantly

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/nordstream-bombing-ukraine-chervinsky/

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/nord...t-sein-a-2599a3c3-81aa-4498-9ea5-fdd326a43610

Our news reporting as well using these 2 medias as source

CIA knew this was happening apperantly, dutch military intelligence as well (who would have guessed)
 
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Cole train said:
Being reported by washington post and der spiegel that ukr took out nordstream with 6 man team, officer as leader. Was the yacht that was spotted in area apperantly

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/nordstream-bombing-ukraine-chervinsky/

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/nord...t-sein-a-2599a3c3-81aa-4498-9ea5-fdd326a43610

Our news reporting as well using these 2 medias as source

CIA knew this was happening apperantly,got info from dutch military intelligence (who would have guessed)
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All this nonsense doesn't matter a bare shit. Basic clickbait bullshit.
If compare that UKR will not get 4 000 000 cartridges.
Also not likely for Ukr was suitable to be happy about North Stream damage because dumb germany is one from main financial donors for Ukraine.
While I don't have any doubts that if there will be case of war in Finland Cole Train will with happiness to shot his own comrades from behind and congratulate Russian tanks with smile.
 
SandisLL said:
All this nonsense doesn't matter a bare shit. Basic clickbait bullshit.
If compare that UKR will not get 4 000 000 cartridges.
Also not likely for Ukr was suitable to be happy about North Stream damage because dumb germany is one from main financial donors for Ukraine.
While I don't have any doubts that if there will be case of war in Finland Cole Train will with happiness to shot his own comrades from behind and congratulate Russian tanks with smile.
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it will be interesting what happens in Avdiika if the 40,000 number of troops is true ready to be sacrificed UKR will have hard time keeping that many ants from making gains.
 
Fake Doctor said:
Sadly, when this is all done, there will be hundreds of thousands of dead Ukrainians, hundreds of billions in damages in Ukraine, with Russia likely being given significant portions of what was eastern Ukraine in a peace agreement. The big winners out of this will be Western (American) defense contractors, American geopolitical interests that are ecstatic they could bleed Russia's military at the cost of dollars and Ukrainian lives, and American interests in places like Europe where Europe has been made more dependent on American trade and resources. Oh, and, let's not forget people in forums who have basically made this their hobby for the last year as they treated it like some kind of soap opera, waiting for each week's new offensive believing "This one - THIS one - is the one that's finally going to dislodge those dastardly Russians!" followed by the inevitable "Well, they didn't quite make it but those assets they moved to this or that front - THAT will be the one that does it!" Pity you guys probably won't be able to have so much fun with a war for a while.
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yeah, at the end ukraine will have to accept russian terms and give up way more than what russians asked them before special military operation....

they basically got duped by western politicians and kiev comedian
 
PEB said:
Hindustan times? Get out of here with their bill sh$t fake news as 27 EV Countries have pledged to support Ukraine no matter what happens in the US troll.
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more like emotional support... the moment us is out its a wrap, but you still wanna believe no matter what.

kiev comedian, his general and ghost of the ghost of kiev could all come to see you face to face and tell you:

"its over, russians won"

and you would still refuse to believe and accuse them of being russian agents
 
Ukraine military officer had key role in Nord Stream sabotage, reports say
President Zelenskyy has denied Ukraine was behind blasts that cut off a major route for Russian gas exports to Europe.

A Ukrainian special forces commander played a key role in sabotaging the Nord Stream gas pipelines in September last year, according to an investigation by two international newspapers.

Mystery has surrounded who was behind the blasts that damaged the pipelines – which run from Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea – cutting off a major route for Russian gas exports to Europe and heightening already high tensions over Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine.

Different theories have emerged pointing the finger at Ukraine, Russia or the United States. All have denied involvement.

A joint investigation by The Washington Post newspaper and German outlet Der Spiegel, published on Saturday, singled out Roman Chervinsky, a 48-year-old who served in Ukraine’s Special Operations Forces.

The officer’s alleged role provides the most direct evidence to date tying Ukraine’s military and security leadership to the sabotage that spawned multiple criminal investigations.

Chervinsky was the “coordinator”, the reports claimed, citing officials in Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe, as well as other people with knowledge of the operation, who spoke anonymously.

He oversaw logistics and support for a six-person team, which rented a sailing boat using false identities and diving equipment to place explosive charges on the pipelines, according to the Post.

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The blasts ruptured three of the four pipelines that make up Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2, spewing gas into the Baltic Sea, near Bornholm, Denmark.

Russian energy giant Gazprom halted flows through Nord Stream 1, the main conduit for Russian natural gas to Germany, amid disputes over the war in Ukraine a month earlier.

The newly completed Nord Stream 2 twin pipelines never opened as Berlin pulled the plug on the project days before Russian troops entered Ukraine on February 24, 2022.

The Nord Stream attack hit civilian infrastructure built to provide energy to millions of people in Europe.

Ukraine had long complained that Nord Stream would allow Russia to bypass Ukrainian pipes, depriving Kyiv of transit revenue.

According to the report, Chervinsky did not act alone nor did he plan the operation. Instead, he took orders from more senior Ukrainian officials, who ultimately reported to General Valerii Zaluzhny, Ukraine’s highest-ranking military officer, it said.


 
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