International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

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Orgasmo said:
Wasn't just Bloomberg reporting it.

The Pentagon has almost run out of money for Ukraine (thenationalnews.com)

If Murica stops the funding, I don't think Europe will have the political will to go it alone. There are quite a few Russophiles in Eastern Europe, not to mention Germany lobbyists looking to access cheap energy. Ukraine needs a big win fast if they want to keep war fatigue from disrupting aid packages.
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I dont think if (still a big if) the US drops support, the EU will also do so, alot of European nations recently pledged alot of long term aid.

But regardless of wether or not the support to Ukraine will continue, if anyone believes that the EU will allow itself to become dependant on Russian energy again they are smoking some good stuff.

From the beginning it should have been apparent, the decoupling from cheap Russian resources is a permanent move.

Germany put itself into a shitty position in the years prior to this war (big brain move on dumping nuclear overnight aswell, Frau Merkel).
It was about time someone ripped that bandaid off.
 
Orgasmo said:
Wasn't just Bloomberg reporting it.

The Pentagon has almost run out of money for Ukraine (thenationalnews.com)

If Murica stops the funding, I don't think Europe will have the political will to go it alone. There are quite a few Russophiles in Eastern Europe, not to mention Germany lobbyists looking to access cheap energy. Ukraine needs a big win fast if they want to keep war fatigue from disrupting aid packages.
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NO, The EU is now a bigger supplier of aid to UKR then Murica is .do you think and Euro countries want Russia winning this war nd moving more West for their next invasions? They need to be stopped now or it will just get worse as Putin will be going more senile and insane.
 
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Kremlin says Putin will ‘win confidently’ if he runs in the 2024 presidential election
PUBLISHED FRI, NOV 10 20231:36 AM EST

Holly Ellyatt@HOLLYELLYATT

  • The Kremlin says it’s confident that Russian President Vladimir Putin will win the 2024 presidential election if he decides to run for another term in office.

  • Neither Putin, 71, nor the Kremlin has confirmed he will run for another six-year term in office, taking his presidency up to 2030 and potentially beyond. Several media reports have cited unnamed sources saying Putin will stand for office, however.
The Kremlin says it’s confident that Russian President Vladimir Putin will win the 2024 presidential election if he decides to run for another term in office.

Neither Putin, 71, nor the Kremlin has confirmed he will run for another six-year term in office, taking his presidency up to 2030 and potentially beyond. Several media reports have cited unnamed sources saying Putin will stand for office, however.


Senior Russian official Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin’s press secretary, told CNBC that though there has been no formal announcement that Putin will run for reelection, he believes the president will win the vote set to be held in March.

“There has been no formal announcement yet. But I have no doubt that if he puts forward his candidacy, he will win confidently,” Peskov said in emailed comments to CNBC.

“Society is consolidated around the president,” Peskov added.

Monthly opinion polls conducted by the independent Levada Center show Putin’s approval rating was at 82% in October, having hovered around the 80% mark since Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022. Before the war, Putin’s ratings were around the mid-60s.

Putin first came to power on the eve of the year 2000. Since then, he has alternated the roles of prime minister and president with other senior officials while always remaining the senior party.

Under Putin’s tenure, opposition parties have been dismantled, banned and outlawed, with prominent Putin critics and opponents, such as opposition leader Alexei Navalny, harassed and imprisoned. Others have fled Russia, choosing to go into exile for their own safety while trying to maintain their activism abroad. A number of Putin critics have died in mysterious circumstances over the past two decades, and the Kremlin has insisted each time that it had nothing to do with their deaths.

No contenders

The Kremlin insists Russia remains a politically plural democracy, telling CNBC in previous comments that “in Russia there are politicians with different views and positions,” when asked if the Kremlin tolerated opponents in Russia’s political system.

It’s true that Russia maintains at least a guise of political pluralism. There are, ostensibly, “opposition” parties in the country but they are seen as part of a “systemic opposition.”

That means registered political parties like the Communist Party, Liberal Democratic Party or A Just Russia — for Truth are theoretically part of the opposition. In reality, however, they support the government and have acquiesced even more since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Analysts believe that any change in Russia’s political system or leadership would have to come from within Russia’s elite, which is made up of rich and influential business people as well as senior officials and the top echelon of the security services.

But for that to happen, there would have to be a severe economic downturn or a serious geopolitical mishap, such losing the war against Ukraine. For now, there are no contenders that can oppose Putin.

“There is no political plurality in Russia, just think of countries like Iran and North Korea [where the situation is similar]. Inside the elites, there might be differences of opinion, but not really a difference of politics,” Sergei Medvedev, a noted Russian academic, historian and author, told CNBC.

For now, Medvedev said, “everything depends on the outcome of the war, and much depends on the Ukrainian armed forces and the Western resolve to help Ukraine win this war.”

Concerned that the West was “tiring” of the war, Medvedev said “everyone is anxious about the U.S. elections in 2024 and the mood of the American public, and especially if Trump and the Republicans come back to office. So there are many variables, and there are many ponderables here.”

Russia often boasts that its economy has remained resilient despite international sanctions and increased economic isolation as a result of the war. It still has friends in high places, with countries such as China and India willing to do business with it despite (and indeed benefiting from) its economic isolation by the West.

“The way it looks now, the Russian system is very resilient, much more resilient than we expected a year and a half ago at the start of the war. Economically, paradoxically, and also, socially. Putin looks in control and looks healthy,” Medvedev said.

“Of course, it’s a very obscure system and it may change overnight, we could see another mutiny led by [mercenary leader Yevgeny] Prigozhin, or the assassination of Putin even, we don’t know. But the way it looks now, if none of these black swans arrive, [Putin’s regime] could last for another year or three year or five years,” he said. “The upcoming elections are not going to change anything.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/10/kre...utin-will-win-2024-presidential-election.html
 
LeonardoBjj said:
Kremlin says Putin will ‘win confidently’ if he runs in the 2024 presidential election
PUBLISHED FRI, NOV 10 20231:36 AM EST

Holly Ellyatt@HOLLYELLYATT

  • The Kremlin says it’s confident that Russian President Vladimir Putin will win the 2024 presidential election if he decides to run for another term in office.

  • Neither Putin, 71, nor the Kremlin has confirmed he will run for another six-year term in office, taking his presidency up to 2030 and potentially beyond. Several media reports have cited unnamed sources saying Putin will stand for office, however.
The Kremlin says it’s confident that Russian President Vladimir Putin will win the 2024 presidential election if he decides to run for another term in office.

Neither Putin, 71, nor the Kremlin has confirmed he will run for another six-year term in office, taking his presidency up to 2030 and potentially beyond. Several media reports have cited unnamed sources saying Putin will stand for office, however.


Senior Russian official Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin’s press secretary, told CNBC that though there has been no formal announcement that Putin will run for reelection, he believes the president will win the vote set to be held in March.

“There has been no formal announcement yet. But I have no doubt that if he puts forward his candidacy, he will win confidently,” Peskov said in emailed comments to CNBC.

“Society is consolidated around the president,” Peskov added.

Monthly opinion polls conducted by the independent Levada Center show Putin’s approval rating was at 82% in October, having hovered around the 80% mark since Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022. Before the war, Putin’s ratings were around the mid-60s.

Putin first came to power on the eve of the year 2000. Since then, he has alternated the roles of prime minister and president with other senior officials while always remaining the senior party.

Under Putin’s tenure, opposition parties have been dismantled, banned and outlawed, with prominent Putin critics and opponents, such as opposition leader Alexei Navalny, harassed and imprisoned. Others have fled Russia, choosing to go into exile for their own safety while trying to maintain their activism abroad. A number of Putin critics have died in mysterious circumstances over the past two decades, and the Kremlin has insisted each time that it had nothing to do with their deaths.

No contenders

The Kremlin insists Russia remains a politically plural democracy, telling CNBC in previous comments that “in Russia there are politicians with different views and positions,” when asked if the Kremlin tolerated opponents in Russia’s political system.

It’s true that Russia maintains at least a guise of political pluralism. There are, ostensibly, “opposition” parties in the country but they are seen as part of a “systemic opposition.”

That means registered political parties like the Communist Party, Liberal Democratic Party or A Just Russia — for Truth are theoretically part of the opposition. In reality, however, they support the government and have acquiesced even more since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Analysts believe that any change in Russia’s political system or leadership would have to come from within Russia’s elite, which is made up of rich and influential business people as well as senior officials and the top echelon of the security services.

But for that to happen, there would have to be a severe economic downturn or a serious geopolitical mishap, such losing the war against Ukraine. For now, there are no contenders that can oppose Putin.

“There is no political plurality in Russia, just think of countries like Iran and North Korea [where the situation is similar]. Inside the elites, there might be differences of opinion, but not really a difference of politics,” Sergei Medvedev, a noted Russian academic, historian and author, told CNBC.

For now, Medvedev said, “everything depends on the outcome of the war, and much depends on the Ukrainian armed forces and the Western resolve to help Ukraine win this war.”

Concerned that the West was “tiring” of the war, Medvedev said “everyone is anxious about the U.S. elections in 2024 and the mood of the American public, and especially if Trump and the Republicans come back to office. So there are many variables, and there are many ponderables here.”

Russia often boasts that its economy has remained resilient despite international sanctions and increased economic isolation as a result of the war. It still has friends in high places, with countries such as China and India willing to do business with it despite (and indeed benefiting from) its economic isolation by the West.

“The way it looks now, the Russian system is very resilient, much more resilient than we expected a year and a half ago at the start of the war. Economically, paradoxically, and also, socially. Putin looks in control and looks healthy,” Medvedev said.

“Of course, it’s a very obscure system and it may change overnight, we could see another mutiny led by [mercenary leader Yevgeny] Prigozhin, or the assassination of Putin even, we don’t know. But the way it looks now, if none of these black swans arrive, [Putin’s regime] could last for another year or three year or five years,” he said. “The upcoming elections are not going to change anything.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/10/kre...utin-will-win-2024-presidential-election.html
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Yes, Putin will win elections, even if fair elections. He is master to brainwash ppl and Russia yet doesn't have soap, vodka, cigarettes and sugar stamps. Stuff that had destroyed their mini empire in time when in retail sales more than 50% economy already was underground market.......
 
LeonardoBjj said:
Kremlin says Putin will ‘win confidently’ if he runs in the 2024 presidential election
PUBLISHED FRI, NOV 10 20231:36 AM EST

Holly Ellyatt@HOLLYELLYATT

  • The Kremlin says it’s confident that Russian President Vladimir Putin will win the 2024 presidential election if he decides to run for another term in office.

  • Neither Putin, 71, nor the Kremlin has confirmed he will run for another six-year term in office, taking his presidency up to 2030 and potentially beyond. Several media reports have cited unnamed sources saying Putin will stand for office, however.
The Kremlin says it’s confident that Russian President Vladimir Putin will win the 2024 presidential election if he decides to run for another term in office.

Neither Putin, 71, nor the Kremlin has confirmed he will run for another six-year term in office, taking his presidency up to 2030 and potentially beyond. Several media reports have cited unnamed sources saying Putin will stand for office, however.


Senior Russian official Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin’s press secretary, told CNBC that though there has been no formal announcement that Putin will run for reelection, he believes the president will win the vote set to be held in March.

“There has been no formal announcement yet. But I have no doubt that if he puts forward his candidacy, he will win confidently,” Peskov said in emailed comments to CNBC.

“Society is consolidated around the president,” Peskov added.

Monthly opinion polls conducted by the independent Levada Center show Putin’s approval rating was at 82% in October, having hovered around the 80% mark since Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022. Before the war, Putin’s ratings were around the mid-60s.

Putin first came to power on the eve of the year 2000. Since then, he has alternated the roles of prime minister and president with other senior officials while always remaining the senior party.

Under Putin’s tenure, opposition parties have been dismantled, banned and outlawed, with prominent Putin critics and opponents, such as opposition leader Alexei Navalny, harassed and imprisoned. Others have fled Russia, choosing to go into exile for their own safety while trying to maintain their activism abroad. A number of Putin critics have died in mysterious circumstances over the past two decades, and the Kremlin has insisted each time that it had nothing to do with their deaths.

No contenders

The Kremlin insists Russia remains a politically plural democracy, telling CNBC in previous comments that “in Russia there are politicians with different views and positions,” when asked if the Kremlin tolerated opponents in Russia’s political system.

It’s true that Russia maintains at least a guise of political pluralism. There are, ostensibly, “opposition” parties in the country but they are seen as part of a “systemic opposition.”

That means registered political parties like the Communist Party, Liberal Democratic Party or A Just Russia — for Truth are theoretically part of the opposition. In reality, however, they support the government and have acquiesced even more since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Analysts believe that any change in Russia’s political system or leadership would have to come from within Russia’s elite, which is made up of rich and influential business people as well as senior officials and the top echelon of the security services.

But for that to happen, there would have to be a severe economic downturn or a serious geopolitical mishap, such losing the war against Ukraine. For now, there are no contenders that can oppose Putin.

“There is no political plurality in Russia, just think of countries like Iran and North Korea [where the situation is similar]. Inside the elites, there might be differences of opinion, but not really a difference of politics,” Sergei Medvedev, a noted Russian academic, historian and author, told CNBC.

For now, Medvedev said, “everything depends on the outcome of the war, and much depends on the Ukrainian armed forces and the Western resolve to help Ukraine win this war.”

Concerned that the West was “tiring” of the war, Medvedev said “everyone is anxious about the U.S. elections in 2024 and the mood of the American public, and especially if Trump and the Republicans come back to office. So there are many variables, and there are many ponderables here.”

Russia often boasts that its economy has remained resilient despite international sanctions and increased economic isolation as a result of the war. It still has friends in high places, with countries such as China and India willing to do business with it despite (and indeed benefiting from) its economic isolation by the West.

“The way it looks now, the Russian system is very resilient, much more resilient than we expected a year and a half ago at the start of the war. Economically, paradoxically, and also, socially. Putin looks in control and looks healthy,” Medvedev said.

“Of course, it’s a very obscure system and it may change overnight, we could see another mutiny led by [mercenary leader Yevgeny] Prigozhin, or the assassination of Putin even, we don’t know. But the way it looks now, if none of these black swans arrive, [Putin’s regime] could last for another year or three year or five years,” he said. “The upcoming elections are not going to change anything.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/10/kre...utin-will-win-2024-presidential-election.html
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lmao are you kidding me? no shit, he controls the State
 
Rholk said:
Yeah, what a bummer ;)
The thing is, of what use is their fleet when its forced to stay in port in hope of not beeing destroyed?
There seems to be no adequate awnser for these drone/missile strikes.

At what point do you just withdraw your entire mavy from striking range?
Subs are obviously at a lot less risk (when not in port)
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The problem there is Russia's fleet can't leave the Black Sea. Turkey won't let them through.

They can only retreat their fleet so far. At this point in time, if significant naval infrastructure doesn't exist, it's because it's not possible in the region. I don't think there are very many ports in the region that are both friendly to Russia and have the required facilities to dock that many ships.

There's a lot to consider when you're dealing with docking a deep sea capable navy in terms of the depth near shore, how rocky the coast is, etc

Like most everything constraining Russia, what they have is what they've got. There's not going to be some miracle port on the Black Sea coast that has the capacity to shelter their navy from attacks.
 
Strychnine said:
The U.S. government runs out of funding next week unless a new budget(?) is passed.
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The Republicans are trying to uncouple the military aid toward Israel from Ukraine aid. The Dems are fighting against it and trying to put it in one bill. I guess I should say the the conservative hard liners of the GOP is trying to do that.
 
grimballer said:
more bad news for kievan panhandler



nato unable to continue helping the kiev regime and their war effort
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Sadly, when this is all done, there will be hundreds of thousands of dead Ukrainians, hundreds of billions in damages in Ukraine, with Russia likely being given significant portions of what was eastern Ukraine in a peace agreement. The big winners out of this will be Western (American) defense contractors, American geopolitical interests that are ecstatic they could bleed Russia's military at the cost of dollars and Ukrainian lives, and American interests in places like Europe where Europe has been made more dependent on American trade and resources. Oh, and, let's not forget people in forums who have basically made this their hobby for the last year as they treated it like some kind of soap opera, waiting for each week's new offensive believing "This one - THIS one - is the one that's finally going to dislodge those dastardly Russians!" followed by the inevitable "Well, they didn't quite make it but those assets they moved to this or that front - THAT will be the one that does it!" Pity you guys probably won't be able to have so much fun with a war for a while.
 
Ruthless Ryan said:
NO, The EU is now a bigger supplier of aid to UKR then Murica is .do you think and Euro countries want Russia winning this war nd moving more West for their next invasions? They need to be stopped now or it will just get worse as Putin will be going more senile and insane.
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The awful stuff is that Lukashenko too is old and senile plus exactly he is advocating to subjugate all Ukraine and create new multipolar world ...he openly had told that these poluses will be Iran+Belarus+North Korea + Russia.


West can't allow Russia easily to win in Ukraine cos this isn't in their interests.

Not alone these Kremlin's ambitions , Russia war had activated Kim, he is doing more tests and rhetoric is more nasty than earlier.....
This isn't good for Japan and South Korea.

Then these HAMAS again had activated more.
War in Sudan.
Coup in Niger.
Serbia is more aggressive than they were few years ago.

If Russia will feel that West is weak they definitely will gave more technologies to Lukashenko, Iran and North Korea because they loves to use other countries to bite west.
 
Fake Doctor said:
Sadly, when this is all done, there will be hundreds of thousands of dead Ukrainians, hundreds of billions in damages in Ukraine, with Russia likely being given significant portions of what was eastern Ukraine in a peace agreement. The big winners out of this will be Western (American) defense contractors, American geopolitical interests that are ecstatic they could bleed Russia's military at the cost of dollars and Ukrainian lives, and American interests in places like Europe where Europe has been made more dependent on American trade and resources. Oh, and, let's not forget people in forums who have basically made this their hobby for the last year as they treated it like some kind of soap opera, waiting for each week's new offensive believing "This one - THIS one - is the one that's finally going to dislodge those dastardly Russians!" followed by the inevitable "Well, they didn't quite make it but those assets they moved to this or that front - THAT will be the one that does it!" Pity you guys probably won't be able to have so much fun with a war for a while.
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Bunch of gibberish....no one forced Russia to invade and the Ukrainians decide their own fate
 
calavera2 said:
Bunch of gibberish....no one forced Russia to invade and the Ukrainians decide their own fate
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Nah. I've spent over a year now watching figures in government, talking heads, and fatass internet slobs salivating about the "great bargain for the West" of saying "We've got your back!" to Ukraine as they give them all the resources they need to fight the war, but not enough to win it, as they position Ukrainian bodies to die bleeding Russia. There is a lot of pretending - and a lot of the particularly dumb ones actually believe it, I suppose - that this was an effort to beat Russia rather than positioning Ukraine as a pawn in some geopolitical game. The whole scheme was pretty openly parroted earlier and now as public interest in the war wanes and "We're with you to the end! For freedom! For democracy!" fades in favour of "Well, we can't support you much longer, so we need to start thinking about peace talks" it becomes triply apparent that this just-enough-drip of equipment, withholding what Ukraine said they needed to win the war, was the game plan all along.

This series of threads is worth reading from the start if you want to see a bunch of boobs who bought Western propaganda on a conflict hook, line, and sinker, and the next few months will be the intellectual off-ramp where you guys slowly rationalize that Ukraine isn't winning the war, your governments never were committed to them winning the war, and the real winners and losers are exactly who I said in that post you're responding to. Now that the yellow and blue isn't today's hot topic, and the West does what it does and offloads them like yesterday's stale bread before an election cycle comes up (it might take two), you guys will need a new hobby, and Ukraine will get to spend the next decade counting their dead and thinking on what great friends the West has been to them through all of this.
 
Fake Doctor said:
Nah. I've spent over a year now watching figures in government, talking heads, and fatass internet slobs salivating about the "great bargain for the West" of saying "We've got your back!" to Ukraine as they give them all the resources they need to fight the war, but not enough to win it, as they position Ukrainian bodies to die bleeding Russia. There is a lot of pretending - and a lot of the particularly dumb ones actually believe it, I suppose - that this was an effort to beat Russia rather than positioning Ukraine as a pawn in some geopolitical game. The whole scheme was pretty openly parroted earlier and now as public interest in the war wanes and "We're with you to the end! For freedom! For democracy!" fades in favour of "Well, we can't support you much longer, so we need to start thinking about peace talks" it becomes triply apparent that this just-enough-drip of equipment, withholding what Ukraine said they needed to win the war, was the game plan all along.

This series of threads is worth reading from the start if you want to see a bunch of boobs who bought Western propaganda on a conflict hook, line, and sinker, and the next few months will be the intellectual off-ramp where you guys slowly rationalize that Ukraine isn't winning the war, your governments never were committed to them winning the war, and the real winners and losers are exactly who I said in that post you're responding to. Now that the yellow and blue isn't today's hot topic, and the West does what it does and offloads them like yesterday's stale bread before an election cycle comes up (it might take two), you guys will need a new hobby, and Ukraine will get to spend the next decade counting their dead and thinking on what great friends the West has been to them through all of this.
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Absolutely stupid statement.
AFAIK no one had planned to beat some Russia nor also to accept Ukraine on EU or NATO, it is complete bullshit....
Ofc you love Kremlin's propaganda and MAGA stuff, don't deny....we all see this.

It isn't even proxy war for U.S, it is proxy war for Iran+Belarus and North Korea +China by using Russia and Ukraine as pawns in order to test western world. Like this and sorry, all these are happy to see how both Russia and Ukraine are bleeding out slowly.
It is Realpolitik.

So jump to vote for Donald, STFU and sooner or later you will get reality......
 
Also I do not think that I'm idiot.
I had posted that with supplies awailable to see in open source media in best case if lucky Ukraine might have chances to hold Russia back not to regain territories.

Reznikov btw IMHO had been kicked out for this reason in core: autumn 2022 the; we quickly need 300 tanks ASAP in order to prevent Russia to take more territory.

Later media had changed this to : we need 300 tanks and then we will deoccupy territory.
 
I had posted in January 2023 the that fortifications and minefields will be big problem for Ukraine .....
It had happened.

And now I will post interesting stuff.

Variant No1 : Ukraine will get reduced support and be pressed to sign stuff under Putin's rules....
Then they will be in debts, nutritioned with promises and etc....like cheap buffer.
Most likely Hungary, Belarus and Serbia plus North Korea will have Iranian drones factories and soon will yell and express threats even more than before war in Ukraine.....

Iran will do nuke test and North Korea too.
Missiles tests will increase.
U.S will lost world hegemony in financial and military sector and will be pushed in corner.

China might be world hegemon if will get support from axis in form of Belarus, Iran, Russia and North Korea.

World poluses really might change and welcome to reality.
U.S State Treasury might announce default and welcome to food stamps etc beauty....
 
About delusional MAGA guys I know that they are not worth to discuss with.
Absolutely.
Largest U.S trade partners are EU and China.
So definitely U.S is self sufficient in financial means.
When will get Great Depression will see reality with soup lines.
Like in 1929th.
And with large bunches jobseekers with degree and experience on daTechStreet, sorry I also had forget to mention that they usually does have loans so banks will be happy.
If some MAGA guy is concerned about his idiotism how U.S is sole planet....
Let's lurk how much FB ( Meta ), Google and MS, Oracle etc stuff are getting as license fees from EU and also from ad deals etc etc services in long row.
So MAGA is isolated world accepting possible more than 1 000 000 layoffs in U.S offices and will be happy. Ofc.
Welcome to Great Depression No2.
 
Fake Doctor said:
Nah. I've spent over a year now watching figures in government, talking heads, and fatass internet slobs salivating about the "great bargain for the West" of saying "We've got your back!" to Ukraine as they give them all the resources they need to fight the war, but not enough to win it, as they position Ukrainian bodies to die bleeding Russia. There is a lot of pretending - and a lot of the particularly dumb ones actually believe it, I suppose - that this was an effort to beat Russia rather than positioning Ukraine as a pawn in some geopolitical game. The whole scheme was pretty openly parroted earlier and now as public interest in the war wanes and "We're with you to the end! For freedom! For democracy!" fades in favour of "Well, we can't support you much longer, so we need to start thinking about peace talks" it becomes triply apparent that this just-enough-drip of equipment, withholding what Ukraine said they needed to win the war, was the game plan all along.

This series of threads is worth reading from the start if you want to see a bunch of boobs who bought Western propaganda on a conflict hook, line, and sinker, and the next few months will be the intellectual off-ramp where you guys slowly rationalize that Ukraine isn't winning the war, your governments never were committed to them winning the war, and the real winners and losers are exactly who I said in that post you're responding to. Now that the yellow and blue isn't today's hot topic, and the West does what it does and offloads them like yesterday's stale bread before an election cycle comes up (it might take two), you guys will need a new hobby, and Ukraine will get to spend the next decade counting their dead and thinking on what great friends the West has been to them through all of this.
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You're a nut casse...what great friends the west? I suppose they should have chosen Russia as they are great freaking neighbors.

But I agree they should give Ukraine what it needs to win....they need to stop fearing Russian escalation.
 
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