International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

[Bacco]

They amount of money invested into equipment they’ve lost these last few weeks. is off the charts. They still keep going though..

They end up into gambler situation, the more they lose the more they think "i can't retreat now"

World is watching them and they already invested so much, only thing that could make them retire is the perspective of an absolute clean defeat that would outweight current bleeding+public shame, but good luck at that, with current dynamic where Ukraine just get remote support from west they're unlikely to gain such unstoppable momentum

Only way Russia have to save half face is stay there and sadly with all defensive shit they built i doubt will be possible force them to retire, but who knows

Does'nt help Israel situation if escalate could eat bunch of western support

 

[BlankaPresident]

They end up into gambler situation, the more they lose the more they think "i can't retreat now"

World is watching them and they already invested so much, only thing that could make them retire is the perspective of an absolute clean defeat that would outweight current bleeding+public shame, but good luck at that, with current dynamic where Ukraine just get remote support from west they're unlikely to gain such unstoppable momentum

Only way Russia have to save half face is stay there and sadly with all defensive shit they built i doubt will be possible force them to retire, but who knows

Does'nt help Israel situation if escalate could eat bunch of western support

Yep. Textbook example of sunken cost fallacy.

 

[Andy Capp]

"We're lucky they're stupid." Apropos for nearly every Trump thread too.

 

[SandisLL]

They end up into gambler situation, the more they lose the more they think "i can't retreat now"

World is watching them and they already invested so much, only thing that could make them retire is the perspective of an absolute clean defeat that would outweight current bleeding+public shame, but good luck at that, with current dynamic where Ukraine just get remote support from west they're unlikely to gain such unstoppable momentum

Only way Russia have to save half face is stay there and sadly with all defensive shit they built i doubt will be possible force them to retire, but who knows

Does'nt help Israel situation if escalate could eat bunch of western support

Israel does have damn a lot of weapons and it is actually weapons warehouse usually ordering damn a lot from U.S after had get on papper a bit support from U.S on paper they are funding U.S MIC with huge orders.....considerably larger than said stuff on paper called as support.

155mm shells most likely too are on paper or symbolic stuff, they might use 1,5-3m the same 105mm shells un Gaza during 2 days and then stuff.....might look.
...Bakhmut in fast pace.

Aircraft carriers to demonstrate power and some batches with SAM missiles IMHO.....a bit.

 

[AWilder]

Bakhmut came at a horrible human cost, but in terms of equipment it seems the Russians are losing more in this offensive

it's a soft invasion. you have to lose a lot of equipment to save civilians from nazis

 

[SandisLL]

it's a soft invasion. you have to lose a lot of equipment to save civilians from nazis

Sure, while Nazis in Utkin had been paid by Kremlin 8 years in row....
Cool ....

 

[SandisLL]

Benny had signed one small re export permit. Cos some other butchers too had agreed our MoD had signed to deliver more than 4000 containers aid to deliver...
It does mean that it is already delivered......in Ukraine.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Ukraine reports progress along Dnieper - targeting crucial village
The Ukrainian military claims that its troops not only managed to enter Russian-occupied territory, but also for the first time established positions along the Dnieper River in the Kherson region, the BBC writes.

A unit tells the news channel that the focus is now on taking full control of the village of Krynky next to the river. If the plans fall through, it would mean Ukraine would get a new base from which to launch a major offensive aimed at dividing Russian troops and cutting off their supply lines.

The US-based think tank Institute for the Study of War (ISW) has noted that Ukrainian forces have engaged in larger-than-usual ground operations on the eastern side of the river."

omni.se

Sorry but grim ball said that it had already been snuffed out and was just MSM propaganda . So I must take his word for it.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Armed forces of Russia had increased technique and meat deliveries in Avdiivka area and committed additionally approx 6 brigades size additional forces today.

I think that Russia will manage to take Avdiivka....

Cos Ukr can't relocate too much forces for defense because looks that this is sneaky tactique used by Russia in order to release ukr pressure on Tokmak area.......

Not sure why you think that they would take Avdiivka now after all the loses for almost no gains they will have to keep it going non stop. And with UKR sneaking across the Dnipo river they came exactly pull more resources from elsewhere for more suicide missions.

 

[SandisLL]

Not sure why you think that they would take Avdiivka now after all the loses for almost no gains they will have to keep it going non stop. And with UKR sneaking across the Dnipo river they came exactly pull more resources from elsewhere for more suicide missions.

They will take Avdiivka at any cost.
YouTubers like Arestovich and Denny should be in threnches instead to ate profit from war in form of likes and clicks etc....

Yes, Russia had to take huge losses while they were able not only to replace losses and increase power they might use, also had improved tactique and technology used....

Ukraine looks that will lost at least Donbas and Luhansk oblastj.
Definitely....Unfortunately for Ukraine .....

Avdiivka is second tier stuff if we talk about primary thing like Tokmak area etc.

 

[SandisLL]

You tube star Arestovich had visited my city.
He didn't had time to meet with local Ukrainian origin ppl communities.
Instead beauty procedures and restaurants and our MoD didn't had time to meet or talk with this girl again after first talk...
Sorry for reality.
Looks that our officials under the table had told dumb Zelensky that they doesn't want to see Arestovich anymore.
Dennys is money hungry specimen nothing more.

 

[MeatWagon06]

Great video of Retired US general Ben Hodges talking about what happens if Ukraine wins and what they need to do so.

 

[AWilder]

Good thing russia only targets nazis and not civilians right?!




it was a "soft" nerf missile.

 

[PEB]

Mitch McConnell saying what many on the right specifically MAGA nut refuse to say: Israel an Ukraine have Iranian ties very likely Russian ties. You cannot go into talks about defense budgets without talking about the elephant in the room Iran. Point blank he said Iranian drones have attacked Israel an Ukraine.

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2 hours ago - Politics & Policy
Some GOP lawmakers back Biden's Ukraine and Israel aid package.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) concludes a news conference in September. Photo: Tom Williams/CQ-Roll Call, Inc via Getty Images

Several GOP lawmakers are expressing support for President Biden's multi-billion dollar package introduced Friday, which combines aid to Israel and Ukraine.

The big picture: Biden's request to Congress for $106 billion in emergency funding, which would also ramp up U.S. border security, comes as some Republicans have hesitated to provide additional funding for Ukraine.

What they're saying: "We have big power competition from China, and Russia and we still have terrorism problems, as the Israelis have certainly experienced in a brutal way in the last week," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said on CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday.

• "So I think that requires a worldwide approach rather than trying to take parts of it out. It's all connected. The Chinese and the Russians said they're now friends forever. Iranian drones are being used in Ukraine and against the Israelis," McConnell said.
• When asked about the resistance among some Republicans to link the aid and if it is possible to pass Uplkraine aid if it's not tied to Israel, McConnell said: "I just think that's a mistake."
• McConnell said he views it as "all interconnected" despite some GOP lawmakers saying "Ukraine is somehow different.""

Side note the attack on Israel happened just a few days day before Putler visited Chinese President in Beijing. Not saying these events are correlated but seems to possibly be connected or a strange coincidence.

Possibly seeking assurances from Xi that this could continue an get commitments from Xi.

Similar meeting happened in China before Russian invasion of Ukraine.

 

[AWilder]

The iranian drones actually have very high tech nazi seeking warheads. it only LOOKS like they are attacking civilians indiscriminately.

 

[jimbob27]

They will take Avdiivka at any cost.
YouTubers like Arestovich and Denny should be in threnches instead to ate profit from war in form of likes and clicks etc....

Yes, Russia had to take huge losses while they were able not only to replace losses and increase power they might use, also had improved tactique and technology used....

Ukraine looks that will lost at least Donbas and Luhansk oblastj.
Definitely....Unfortunately for Ukraine .....

Avdiivka is second tier stuff if we talk about primary thing like Tokmak area etc.

I don't think territory is the main focus for Ukraine at this point. If you look at Russia's greatest military defeats; against the Germans in ww1 and the Brit/French/turks in Crimean war.... they were never really about territory. Those victorys were attained by almost entirely removing Russia's ability to wage war.

On the flip side, Russia's greatest military victories were against Napoleon and the Nazis. Both had incredible success when it came to taking territory, and ultimately lost the war overall.

People have already correctly described this as a war of attrition, but less seems to have been said about what it actually takes to win a war of attrition. They're not won by taking territory, they're won by causing more attrition to the enemy than they do to you, until they can't physically hold the desired territory any longer.

Even if we ignore reported casualties as biased propaganda, from the combat videos we've seen, Ukraine appears to have been using Western style "minimise casualty" tactics since the beginning of the war. Russia has been using "we've got the bigger population, we don't need a good K/D ratio" tactics; and they've never really shifted from that, so it's quite possible Ukraine is still on track to achieve total victory eventually.

 

[Bacco]

Israel does have damn a lot of weapons and it is actually weapons warehouse usually ordering damn a lot from U.S after had get on papper a bit support from U.S on paper they are funding U.S MIC with huge orders.....considerably larger than said stuff on paper called as support.

Yeah i don't doubt that, that's why i said "if escalate"... as long Israel thing is only in that current range that goes from terrorist-hunting up to turn Gaza into a moon-themed big parking slot, i believe Israel already have all the tools

But if some other state get involved (wich would be retarded af decision for said state, but the area have a problem with rationality, x3 if religion is involved), i think US will start give lot more toys to Israel (if not direct support) and that may translate into shrink bit what Ukraine is receiving... not because US immense arsenal can't support both countries at same time, but because White House may try not outrage public opinion with the idea they're "gifting" dollars away to foreigners at twice pace (since even on WR seems to me bunch of americans developed this bizzarre idea Ukraine have nothing to do with them and US does straight charity gifting them free shit)

Idk i may be optimistic, as i believe situation will take least worst scenario... i believe IDF will run up and down Gaza killing bunch of terrorist and trying to minimize as possible damage on civilians to not piss off too much western allies (as civilians LIVES, if we talk properties/buildings guess IDF will wreck lot of shit just on spite since they can't get as much blood as they wish) since ally nations told them stuff that's basically "we're on your side, but don't exagerate because we're putting our face on this and we don't want sponsor a revenge ethnic massacre"
From there i guess there will be lot of barking from some nations but not much actual facts, at least on big scale

But again, can't see future may be wrong

 

[AWilder]

see guys, this is how you do a soft invasion. those first few meat waves help cushion the blows of the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians.

 

[ferrisjso]

I don't think territory is the main focus for Ukraine at this point. If you look at Russia's greatest military defeats; against the Germans in ww1 and the Brit/French/turks in Crimean war.... they were never really about territory. Those victorys were attained by almost entirely removing Russia's ability to wage war.

On the flip side, Russia's greatest military victories were against Napoleon and the Nazis. Both had incredible success when it came to taking territory, and ultimately lost the war overall.

People have already correctly described this as a war of attrition, but less seems to have been said about what it actually takes to win a war of attrition. They're not won by taking territory, they're won by causing more attrition to the enemy than they do to you, until they can't physically hold the desired territory any longer.

Even if we ignore reported casualties as biased propaganda, from the combat videos we've seen, Ukraine appears to have been using Western style "minimise casualty" tactics since the beginning of the war. Russia has been using "we've got the bigger population, we don't need a good K/D ratio" tactics; and they've never really shifted from that, so it's quite possible Ukraine is still on track to achieve total victory eventually.

Military the Nazis did enough to win they lost because they were Nazis and the Soviet people would fight to the last man. Normally this does not happen and the people revolt if the war doesn't end at a certain point. This is what happened in WW1(in Crimea they were fighting a navy war against opponents they had no ability to project power against). The people were done with the war and any govt that was willing to continue it. But if your opponents main priority is genocide this changes.

In terms of 1812 the French were woefully unequipped for the winter and the scale of Russia by the time they had reached Moscow they had lost all ability to project power in Russia. Napoleons hate boner for the British was his undoing.

These are all pretty different examples tbh.

 

[GhostZ06]