International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

[GhostZ06]

 

[ferrisjso]

Oh yes the guy in the West larping as a communist......is that the best Spinmarino can get to support him?

Western Communists are the best society has to offer.

You know like Albert Einstein, MLK Jr etc? All the truly great people in the West are communists or some degree of socialist.

 

[AWilder]

every time i see smerch i think of the simpson's lousy smarch weather

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

Western Communists are the best society has to offer.

You know like Albert Einstein, MLK Jr etc? All the truly great people in the West are communists or some degree of socialist.

Ahh yes the people like you who enjoy every comfort of Western institutions while advocating for a place they'd never want to live.

You're beyond delusional. Go try to live in one of a handful communist countries. There's not even a great example of it now...Cuba?

Every other country is now effectively a capitalist dictatorship/oligarchy.

You're clearly not someone who had to stand in food lines as a 5 year old to get basic dairy products...

 

[ferrisjso]

Ahh yes the people like you who enjoy every comfort of Western institutions while advocating for a place they'd never want to live.

You're beyond delusional. Go try to live in one of a handful communist countries. There's not even a great example of it now...Cuba?

Every other country is now effectively a capitalist dictatorship.

You're clearly not someone who had to stand in food lines as a 5 year old to get basic dairy products...

Yeah because the West destroys any country that believes in human rights all in the name of "democracy".

"The comfort of Western institutions". Yeah like the private health insurance industry that slaughters more people every year then a dozen 9/11s, non free college, landlords, corporations that make a profit and have destroyed the world. Stfu you sick fuck.

Cuba is curing cancers on a shoestring budget. Show some respect.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Western Communists are the best society has to offer.

You know like Albert Einstein, MLK Jr etc? All the truly great people in the West are communists or some degree of socialist.

Don't strain yourself bud

 

[Strychnine]

This is why you NEVER mess with UXO (Unexploded Ordinance). You mark it and leave it to demolitions. Do NOT poke it with a stick. It's bad for your health.

 

[Anewt]

Jesus fucking christ. You'd think such a serious topic wouldn't divulge into high school insults and arguments. But nope. Gj sherdog

Back on topic .

Interested in your thoughts on this. It being a religious man at first I thought that's pretty fucked up... if he's doing what he feels was righteous..... but accepting cash? Eh muddies the water a bit for me.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...en-as-missionaries-avoid-conscription-ukraine

A former deacon in the Ukrainian port city of Odesa has been detained on allegations that he took bribes to help men evade conscription by disguising them as church missionaries so they could leave the country.

The Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) said last week that the former deacon belonged to the Ukrainian Orthodox church, one of two main branches of Orthodoxy in the country and until recently linked to the Moscow patriarchy. Investigators say the former deacon – who has not been named – successfully facilitated the escape of at least six individuals to several EU countries.

“The suspect had compiled lists of missionaries who were intended to travel abroad on behalf of the diocese’s leader and the religious community, with the aim of becoming priests,” the SBU said.


It is the latest in a series of corruption scandals over draft evasion in Ukraine. Last month, the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, fired every regional recruitment head in the country, citing endemic corruption in the apparatus.

In a further development last week, the Prosecutor General’s Office in Odesa revealed that the leadership of a regional police force had been assisting dozens of men in evading conscription.

As a result, the head of the military medical commission and two secretaries are under investigation for allegedly falsifying dozens of medical certificates to demonstrate the individuals’ unfitness for military service. Each certificate reportedly cost between $7,000 and $10,000.

During the first months of the war, as hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians signed up for volunteer battalions and to help the army in other ways, there was no great need to enforce mobilisation rules. Eighteen months into the war, with tens of thousands of casualties and many troops at the front weary and in need of rotation, the army has increasingly turned to mobilisation, often handing out call-up papers on the street.



I was hoping the street conscription was a bit of misinformation.... evidently not.

Fired every recruitment head for the entire country isn't good.

 

[The Diplomat]

Western Communists are the best society has to offer.

You know like Albert Einstein, MLK Jr etc? All the truly great people in the West are communists or some degree of socialist.

Ah, yes. The guys who used American liberalism and capitalism to get their point across.

 

[The Diplomat]

Jesus fucking christ. You'd think such a serious topic wouldn't divulge into high school insults and arguments. But nope. Gj sherdog

Back on topic .

Interested in your thoughts on this. It being a religious man at first I thought that's pretty fucked up... if he's doing what he feels was righteous..... but accepting cash? Eh muddies the water a bit for me.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...en-as-missionaries-avoid-conscription-ukraine

A former deacon in the Ukrainian port city of Odesa has been detained on allegations that he took bribes to help men evade conscription by disguising them as church missionaries so they could leave the country.

The Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) said last week that the former deacon belonged to the Ukrainian Orthodox church, one of two main branches of Orthodoxy in the country and until recently linked to the Moscow patriarchy. Investigators say the former deacon – who has not been named – successfully facilitated the escape of at least six individuals to several EU countries.

“The suspect had compiled lists of missionaries who were intended to travel abroad on behalf of the diocese’s leader and the religious community, with the aim of becoming priests,” the SBU said.


It is the latest in a series of corruption scandals over draft evasion in Ukraine. Last month, the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, fired every regional recruitment head in the country, citing endemic corruption in the apparatus.

In a further development last week, the Prosecutor General’s Office in Odesa revealed that the leadership of a regional police force had been assisting dozens of men in evading conscription.

As a result, the head of the military medical commission and two secretaries are under investigation for allegedly falsifying dozens of medical certificates to demonstrate the individuals’ unfitness for military service. Each certificate reportedly cost between $7,000 and $10,000.

During the first months of the war, as hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians signed up for volunteer battalions and to help the army in other ways, there was no great need to enforce mobilisation rules. Eighteen months into the war, with tens of thousands of casualties and many troops at the front weary and in need of rotation, the army has increasingly turned to mobilisation, often handing out call-up papers on the street.



I was hoping the street conscription was a bit of misinformation.... evidently not

The country is literally on the verge of deletion. I understand pacifists and religious folk who don't want to fight, but Ukraine isn't legally allowed to import anyone else. Survival of the fittest is the name of the game right now.

 

[pinger]

Can Marino backtracking faster than a Russian general at a tea tasting party

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Jesus fucking christ. You'd think such a serious topic wouldn't divulge into high school insults and arguments. But nope. Gj sherdog

Back on topic .

Interested in your thoughts on this. It being a religious man at first I thought that's pretty fucked up... if he's doing what he feels was righteous..... but accepting cash? Eh muddies the water a bit for me.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...en-as-missionaries-avoid-conscription-ukraine

A former deacon in the Ukrainian port city of Odesa has been detained on allegations that he took bribes to help men evade conscription by disguising them as church missionaries so they could leave the country.

The Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) said last week that the former deacon belonged to the Ukrainian Orthodox church, one of two main branches of Orthodoxy in the country and until recently linked to the Moscow patriarchy. Investigators say the former deacon – who has not been named – successfully facilitated the escape of at least six individuals to several EU countries.

“The suspect had compiled lists of missionaries who were intended to travel abroad on behalf of the diocese’s leader and the religious community, with the aim of becoming priests,” the SBU said.


It is the latest in a series of corruption scandals over draft evasion in Ukraine. Last month, the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, fired every regional recruitment head in the country, citing endemic corruption in the apparatus.

In a further development last week, the Prosecutor General’s Office in Odesa revealed that the leadership of a regional police force had been assisting dozens of men in evading conscription.

As a result, the head of the military medical commission and two secretaries are under investigation for allegedly falsifying dozens of medical certificates to demonstrate the individuals’ unfitness for military service. Each certificate reportedly cost between $7,000 and $10,000.

During the first months of the war, as hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians signed up for volunteer battalions and to help the army in other ways, there was no great need to enforce mobilisation rules. Eighteen months into the war, with tens of thousands of casualties and many troops at the front weary and in need of rotation, the army has increasingly turned to mobilisation, often handing out call-up papers on the street.



I was hoping the street conscription was a bit of misinformation.... evidently not.

Fired every recruitment head for the entire country isn't good.

If they didnt have mobilization Russia would likely have already won, so pick your poison....

 

[AWilder]

 

[San Marino]

I take you seriously San Marino.
You deserve sainthood for subjecting yourself to these peoples abuse to be frank.
Yeah, they confuse this thread for the front commonly. That's why they think Ukraine's got the numbers advantage.

Thank you, my friend. You are not the only one on my side. A few others that choose to remain quiet on the wings.
It is always the same 7 to 9 idiots who don't have a life and love to talk about me. "The clapping seals." Giving each other 'likes.'
Insults and ridicule. Off-topic, derailing, and trolling, but nothing ever happens. A lot of pent-up hate and anger. That is for sure.
I hate bullies and stupid bullies in particular. Give them some of their own medicine.
Others taking credit for having accomplished nothing. Not proven a thing.
It is what keeps this thread going since Ukraine is now losing. Ukraine's Vietnam. Win battles but lose the war.
I want to see this to the end. Whoever wins.
Just imagine a Russia and Trump win in 2024. Some of these guys will have a meltdown.
Sad really. Ukraine could have avoided this conflict going back to 2021, but both Ukraine and folks in this thread refuse to accept this reality.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

Yeah because the West destroys any country that believes in human rights all in the name of "democracy".

"The comfort of Western institutions". Yeah like the private health insurance industry that slaughters more people every year then a dozen 9/11s, non free college, landlords, corporations that make a profit and have destroyed the world. Stfu you sick fuck.

Cuba is curing cancers on a shoestring budget. Show some respect.

Don't tell others to stfu or call them 'sick fuck' while spouting bullshit.

Your idealistic notions of communism are a joke to anyone who has ever lived under those repressive regimes.

Ever walk into a grocery store that was effectively empty under normal conditions (non bankruptcy, natural disaster, etc)??

Modern capitalist societies may be imperfect and even corrupt to various levels but they are magnitudes better than any communist regime ever.

Why don't you go ask all the political prisoners in Cuba how amazing their health system is...

But by all means, I fully encourage you to move into one of the countries even feigning to still be communist with their one party political structures ....but something tells me you won't...

Must be nice to sit home all day every day and spout nonsense on a karate forum while blaming capitalism for your lack of success...

 

[Joe]

Western Communists are the best society has to offer.

You know like Albert Einstein, MLK Jr etc? All the truly great people in the West are communists or some degree of socialist.

Funny how you simp so hard for blatant imperialism

 

[Limbo Pete]

Thank you, my friend. You are not the only one on my side. A few others that choose to remain quiet on the wings.
It is always the same 7 to 9 idiots who don't have a life and love to talk about me. "The clapping seals." Giving each other 'likes.'
Insults and ridicule. Off-topic, derailing, and trolling, but nothing ever happens. A lot of pent-up hate and anger. That is for sure.
I hate bullies and stupid bullies in particular. Give them some of their own medicine.
Others taking credit for having accomplished nothing. Not proven a thing.
It is what keeps this thread going since Ukraine is now losing. Ukraine's Vietnam. Win battles but lose the war.
I want to see this to the end. Whoever wins.
Just imagine a Russia and Trump win in 2024. Some of these guys will have a meltdown.
Sad really. Ukraine could have avoided this conflict going back to 2021, but both Ukraine and folks in this thread refuse to accept this reality.

Ukraine's Vietnam? Ukraine is the one getting invaded you jumbo sized ass. And they couldn't have avoided this conflict in 2021 seeing as they first got invaded in 2014.

 

[Denter]

That's the difference between someone like you and Mr. S3 operations, you can freely admit your predictions were off the mark. Nothing wrong with admitting to making a wrong prediction. It shows integrity when you can own up to your mistakes big or small.

I also thought Ukraine would get rolled in a couple days and Kyiv would fall. Thankfully that didn't happen and I am happy to be wrong. Spinmarino just doubles down on his bullshit and acts like he didn't say the shit people have quoted him saying. Spinmarino is employing the tried and true 'alternative facts' that Trump popularized.

Yeah the only thing I'm really against the grain on in regards to this war is 1) the moral panic aspect, and 2) the casualties nonsense. It's clear to me that Ukraine has taken far more casualties than any of the figures quoted, but that's really a small point because if they can train, sustain and arm enough men fast enough to replace them, it won't effect the war.

Really, the conflict has been a strong success for the US's strategic interests. Before the war I read a lot about how the plan was to "bleed and weaken" Russia in a protracted conflict should they invade Ukraine, and this has been accomplished.

 

[Joe]

Ah, yes. The guys who used American liberalism and capitalism to get their point across.

Its really sad that the communists are so desperate for anything resembling the soviet union that they to shill so hard for putins russia

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Thank you, my friend. You are not the only one on my side. A few others that choose to remain quiet on the wings.
It is always the same 7 to 9 idiots who don't have a life and love to talk about me. "The clapping seals." Giving each other 'likes.'
Insults and ridicule. Off-topic, derailing, and trolling, but nothing ever happens. A lot of pent-up hate and anger. That is for sure.
I hate bullies and stupid bullies in particular. Give them some of their own medicine.
Others taking credit for having accomplished nothing. Not proven a thing.
It is what keeps this thread going since Ukraine is now losing. Ukraine's Vietnam. Win battles but lose the war.
I want to see this to the end. Whoever wins.
Just imagine a Russia and Trump win in 2024. Some of these guys will have a meltdown.
Sad really. Ukraine could have avoided this conflict going back to 2021, but both Ukraine and folks in this thread refuse to accept this reality.

7-9 idiots ? your closer to 20 and if that many people dont agree with you there might be a reason ...but with you , you wont;t get it anyhow...