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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

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Dude... even when those planes get there. It'll at least a year, likely much longer to train Ukraine pilots how to fly them. And then they'll probably end up just getting shot down anyway by Russian planes or anti-aircraft. It takes years to learn the muscle memorty required for combat.

It's basically a giant tax write off for foreign countries to dump unwanted old planes they don't need anyway.

Supposidely, Ukraine's best pilot died in a collision during a training exercise recently.



Used in standoff role, there is very little risk for either side to lose an aircraft in the air. It's only more risky missions like CAS or interdiction that there is a risk from AA. F16s most certainly would be used in standoff roles. Standoff basically means you only operate the aircraft in friendly airspace and use long range missiles to hit ground targets from safety.

Most of the aircraft loses for Ukraine were in the opening days on the ground, they keep their aircraft based well out of range now and both sides are operating their aircraft at standoff ranges.
 
You know there are the same charts from right before the war started right? You don’t have to use entirely outdated data

To be fair he does say its the numbers from 2014
"I thought this was interesting, 2014 numbers"
so I am sure @San Marino knows its older numbers.

Sorry for butting in.
 
Fair enough

Weird though that newsweek reported russia having fire rate of 4x to ukrs (20k to 5k) three weeks before that article but who.knows

https://www.newsweek.com/why-ukraine-burning-through-ammo-war-russia-1812294
Not to mention royal united service institute says rus artillery has gotten better doctorine wise
https://rusi.org/explore-our-resear...illery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations
Lets see if artillery ammo thing comes up elsewhere

Ok, I think the most optimistic take is from David Axe. NYT says that "Russian artillery no longer has the clear advantage" but didn't explain why.
Another article talks about Ukraine's counterbattery advantage-
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...eport-kyivs-growing-counter-battery-advantage
 
EU continuing to do its bit:

“The EU is set to import record volumes of liquefied natural gas from Russia this year, despite aiming for the bloc to wean itself off Russian fossil fuels by 2027.

In the first seven months of this year, Belgium and Spain were the second and third-biggest buyers of Russian LNG behind China, according to analysis of industry data by Global Witness, a nongovernment organisation.

Overall, EU imports of the super-chilled gas were up 40 per cent between January and July this year compared with the same period in 2021, before Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.”

Source: FT

With the little caveat that LNG represents less than 1/4th of Russian exports.

The majority of Russian exports are on pipelines and those are down, its a financial times article that was probably amplified by pro-Russians to claim "Gas exports are up" when its not.

Russian gas exports to Europe took a massive nosedive and the share of Russian gas in the European market is now in the low teens, when it used to be around 40% pre-war-
 
If about Wagner I'm more interested where in reality is Utkin because this guy is considerably more dangerous than Prigozin.
He today had been colonel or general in GRU if he even for Putin wasn't too much radical Nazi.
Even some russian Nazis considered him as too radical.
Actually Hitler might be happy to see this person as GESTAPO chief.
Prigi if compare with him is kinder garden kid.

Prigi was the guy that kept cash flowing into Wagner, that's why he was boss.

"The sinews of war are infinite money"
 
Prigi was the guy that kept cash flowing into Wagner, that's why he was boss.

"The sinews of war are infinite money"
"For war you need three things: 1. Money. 2. Money. 3. Money."
-Count Raimondo Montecuccoli
 
https://archive.ph/rgsdt

This was an absolutely horrible article about that, which somehow tried to make the man's wife not look like a monster. The reality is, a lot of people are just totally mercenary. The highest per capita number of divorces in this country is still 1946 for a reason. A lot of these women won't be going back to Ukraine.
Link isn't working for me, can you quote some of the highlights of the article?

Anecdotally I will say I noticed a surge in Ukrainian and Russian women on dating apps after the war. Not only have they fled, they're looking for a man too.
 
Link isn't working for me, can you quote some of the highlights of the article?

Anecdotally I will say I noticed a surge in Ukrainian and Russian women on dating apps after the war. Not only have they fled, they're looking for a man too.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/25/world/europe/ukraine-war-divorce.html

This is the original. Some quotes:

NYT said:
Andrii Shapovalov, 51, and Tetiana Shapovalova, 50, had a fantastic life together. They were married nearly 30 years, raised two sons and pursued careers that meant something to them — he as a psychotherapist working with drug addicts, she as an executive at a large ice cream company. Up until last year, they were easing into a new stage of life together as empty nesters in Dnipro, an up-and-coming city in central Ukraine.
But when the Russian Army crossed the border into Ukraine last February, it set into motion a sequence of events that their marriage wouldn’t survive.
They separated that first day, as missiles slammed into Dnipro and shook their windows. Tetiana set off on a refugee odyssey. Andrii drifted through the empty rooms of their family home.
They would go on, like so many Ukrainian men and women, to experience the war very differently. Tetiana was thrust into a whole new world, discovering a new country, a new language and, in a shock to Andrii, a new boyfriend. Andrii found himself on the front lines counseling depressed soldiers and, for the first time since he was a teenager, living alone. He was effectively blocked by law from visiting his family.

Both believe they would still be together if it hadn’t been for the war. They have been unusually open about what happened to their relationship. (Their interviews have been condensed and edited for clarity.)
Andrii and Tetiana are just one of the tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands, of couples splitting up as the country experiences, in the words of Anna Trofymenko, a Ukrainian psychotherapist in Kremenchuk, a “divorce epidemic.” It may be one of the war’s most far-reaching social consequences, potentially shaping dating patterns, family structure, the way a whole generation of Ukrainian children will be raised and the trajectory of the country’s population for years to come.
Every major conflict sends people fleeing. But Ukraine’s has been different. One of the first steps President Volodymyr Zelensky took was passing a decree that prohibited men aged 18 to 60 from leaving, with few exceptions. The intent was to preserve a fighting force inside the country. It also created a one-sided exodus.

NYT said:
People start asking questions,” she said. “Like: Is this person who I spent so many years of my life with still the right person for me if I don’t know who I am anymore?”

Tetiana, by her own admission, experienced something like that. Their marriage had never been bad, she said, but as the years passed she began to feel “a void.” She and Andrii tried a million different things to rejuvenate it — fixing up their primary house, buying an apartment, getting a new dog. But nothing worked, she said, and for her, the relationship was starting to feel like “a book you have already read.”
Loyalty kept her in it. But fleeing to a new country put her in a new frame of mind.
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A few weeks into her life as a refugee, Tetiana met a Finnish man. She said it was very difficult to bring this up with Andrii. She called him on the phone and said: “I don’t want to continue our relationship. I want a new place, a new relationship, a new everything. I want a new life.”
ANDRII
I was driving a car at that moment. I felt like I was covered in boiling water. I couldn’t move. I couldn’t breathe. I pulled over. Even after we got off the phone, I was trembling. I thought I was going crazy. I blamed the war, the Russians, our government, everyone around me.
I was surprised, yes, absolutely. I refused to believe it. I thought it was some flirtation and that it would end. But one night at the end of May, I called and texted her all day and she didn’t return my calls. I was awake all night. And then I understood: She’s with another man.
I finally texted her a message that said: I understand everything.
TETIANA
The whole summer passed. Andrii said he supported me. But he didn’t do anything. He was hoping I’d change my mind. In August, I called him again and asked for his help. He agreed to file for the divorce because he was in Ukraine, and I signed the papers here in Finland and sent them by bus.

Husband is a psychotherapist in his 50s, he stays in Ukraine to donate his skills to treating returning soldiers with PTSD. His wife skips to Finland and quickly dumps him and divorces him so she can stay in Finland.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/25/world/europe/ukraine-war-divorce.html

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Husband is a psychotherapist in his 50s, he stays in Ukraine to donate his skills to treating returning soldiers with PTSD. His wife skips to Finland and quickly dumps him and divorces him so she can stay in Finland.

fucked up but this type of shit happens in every war,

WW1/WW2 is good example, guys at front women messing around back, lots of stories like this.Theres a reason why legendary "jody" exists in every military across world.

fuck jody
 
kiev getting pummeled...



of course nato backed kiev regime "successfully shot down" all the incoming missiles
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/25/world/europe/ukraine-war-divorce.html

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Husband is a psychotherapist in his 50s, he stays in Ukraine to donate his skills to treating returning soldiers with PTSD. His wife skips to Finland and quickly dumps him and divorces him so she can stay in Finland.
ANDRII

I’m missing the human warmth when they’re close, but my contact with my children hasn’t ended, it's just taken a new form. We talk all the time. And sooner or later, if I stay alive, I’ll see them again. But Tetiana is another story. I’ll never fall in love with another woman, I don’t want to take care of anyone else. I don’t want to solve someone else’s problems. She was the only person who deserved it.
Tetiana

Since last August I’ve been living with someone else. My life’s flourishing. I’m not missing a thing. Maybe it’s trauma, maybe it’s not logical, but I really don’t want to come back to Ukraine and see all the changes. I don’t know why, but I’m not crying at all. Maybe later it will burn through me.
These hoes ain't loyal.
 
kiev getting pummeled...



of course nato backed kiev regime "successfully shot down" all the incoming missiles


"The overnight attacks on 30 August are the most widespread we have monitored in one day since the start of the year, with drones hitting at least six regions in Russia from the south to the north-west."

And Russia is being "pounded" too and they are not even at war.
Damn....
 
"The overnight attacks on 30 August are the most widespread we have monitored in one day since the start of the year, with drones hitting at least six regions in Russia from the south to the north-west."

And Russia is being "pounded" too and they are not even at war.
Damn....
Tons of little victories for Ukraine yesterday. They weren't lying when they said they'd be sending lots of drones more often.
 
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