International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V13

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U.S. Marine Corps M777 155 mm howitzers are staged on the flight line prior to loading them into a U.S. Air Force C-17 Globemaster III aircraft to be shipped to Ukraine, April 22, 2022. U.S. Marine Corps / Staff Sgt. Royce H. Dorman
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Ukraine learns to fight with a hodge-podge of foreign artillery
It's also working to protect its field guns from loitering munitions and counter-battery fire, Ukrainian officer says.

LONDON — Ukraine is methodically gathering data on its hodge-podge of Western cannons and ammunition to ensure gun crews can put fire on targets, said Lt. Col. Yurii Patskan, an officer in Ukraine’s Main Directorate of Rocket Forces and Field Artillery.

All Western howitzers given to Ukraine are of the 155mm caliber. But different countries produce shells with different quantities or propellant, which means the range charts for calculating cannon elevation may be inaccurate if a shell from one country is loaded into a gun from another. In extreme cases, the shell may not even fit in the gun. At least one Ukrainian soldier described how they were forced to manually cut down the fins of a French-supplied mortar to get it to fit in their Italian-supplied mortar tube.

To fix this problem, Ukraine has built a testing range manned by a team made up of ballistic specialists, IT workers, and a weather specialist, Patskan told Defense One on the sidelines of arms trade show DSEI.

The team works to gather data from cannons taken from the frontline with different foreign-produced amunition, then calculate what types of ballistic qualities a shell from one country has when it’s fired from a howitzer from another country.

The data is sent to Ukrainian gun crews, allowing them to confidently use ammunition from one country in cannons from another country. That way, the gun crews “are not afraid” of getting the range wrong, Patskan said.

Ukraine is also attempting to simplify logistics for its foreign-supplied weaponry by grouping it in nationally-defined units. For example, a given artillery unit may use only American M777 howitzers or Polish Krab self-propelled artillery, Patskan said.


But an even more pressing problem is the threat posed by Russian counter-battery fire and loitering munitions.

Patskan said Russian counter-battery fire could arrive within minutes of a Ukrainian howitzer blast, though it depends on the section of the front. And Russian artillery directed by drones is not as fast, he said. Russia uses a mix of capabilities to find Ukrainian artillery, including powerful radars.

Patskan also said Russian Lancet loitering munitions, which cost less than $40,000, are a threat to gun crews, whose own howitzers can cost millions of dollars. But Ukraine is using nets to catch the drones before they strike artillery.

“We can’t use our maneuverability” when the Russians use Lancet drones, Patskan said, which negates a major advantage in modern warfare and forces Ukraine to keep its guns hidden from Russian drones patrolling the sky. However, Patskan said, anti-drone guns and electronic warfare are possible defenses.

Still, amid the gleaming arms stands of DSEI, Patskan said the message of the threat of loitering munitions isn’t always getting through. One anti-drone producer he spoke to proposed using its net-firing gun to solve Ukraine's Russian drone problem, only to realize the solution is incapable of stopping a drone like the Lancet, he said.

Patskan added that Ukraine now has no issue getting new artillery barrels for its guns, which has previously been a problem due to Ukrainian gun crews wearing down barrels with fire rates far exceeding what the guns were designed for.

And Western artilleries are looking on and learning, according to a British and French officer who appeared with Patskan at a panel at DSEI.

Britain must learn to “operate in digital darkness,” said British Brigadier Neil Budd, referring to the ability of adversaries to monitor, locate, and jam troops with electronic warfare.

“To think that we're just going to walk in and be able to do what we want, and exploit all our digital systems upfront, I think is naive.”
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/...gram-manage-foreign-donated-artillery/390322/
 
There reality is that situation is in reality like 1938 th with Hitler.
Then Germany had formed main Axis with under the table agreements with Japan and Mussolini.

Now this axis is....Belarus + Russia + Iran + North Korea.
This is real life de facto.

Belarus might be considered by average joes as weak and not important.
While they are refubrishing USSR era radiolectronic equipment, MRLS missiles and even producing chinesse MRLS missiles clones.
This country still is really huge USSR era weapons and ammunition warehouse.
Plus they are producing some drones... wants to produce Iranian drones clones.

North Korea does have some stuff Russia might be interested : gold and tungsten ore.... not only just conventional ammunition.

Russia also is in dependence from China if we talk about lithium and some rear earth metals supplies.

China is sitting and watching scene with smile.
 
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Yeah Russia has all the ammo they need lol.


There are suspicions that North Korea might agree to supply 2-5 m 152 mm shells for howitzers and ammo for 120 mm mortars, missiles for 122 mm Grad type MRLS launchers and mines, a lot of mines.
Also 100 mm ammumition.

Most likely in excange for missile and nuclear tech.
 
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There are suspicions that North Korea might agree to supply 2-5 m 152 mm shells for howitzers and ammo for 120 mm mortars, missiles for 122 mm Grad type MRLS launchers and mines, a lot of mines.
Also 100 mm ammumition.

Most likely in excange for missile and nuclear tech.
I think apparently based on news reports he wants more then what Putin willing to give up. Putin after visit downplayed Kim's visit and that Russia will not break UN treaties that's a first lol. Ether way Kim likely wants bombers, missiles and technology all of that likely was way more then Putin wants to hand over.
 
I think apparently based on news reports he wants more then what Putin willing to give up. Putin after visit downplayed Kim's visit and that Russia will not break UN treaties that's a first lol. Ether way Kim likely wants bombers, missiles and technology all of that likely was way more then Putin wants to hand over.
Missiles ( he is obsessed with them ) and...nukes.
Putin like all russian officials does have 1 version for according to them " dumb westerners " and another version for ," local sheeps and slaves. "
 
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There is obivious reason: modern Russia is continuing these traditions and society in Russia is taught history version approved by Joseph Stalin.
Yes, Stalin on paper was georgian, while is rumoured that he might had partially also gyp*y blood.
However purges in Stalin era more were aimed at minorities. Purges in communist party too btw.
Yeah, he built fundaments of Gulag camps literally on local russians bones...then after this ...minorities were were more often inmates in these camps.

Russia historically had proved that they prefer initially to use minorities who does trust them in order to achieve their goals and then ....to kill their friends.

Germany and Japan ofc were " special specimens " but now after WW2 they aren't aggressive and switched to " earn more money " mode.
Also russian society usually still is keeping to be in denial about genocide, war crimes ....always finding any possible excuses.
German society doesn't have such mindset. Hitler was approx the same like Stalin in general.
I’ve seen Georgians claim that Stalin was Ossetian and claiming that Ossetians under Stalin was the only ethnicity that gain (I am not sure, but I think they claim that there were some territorial gains and maybe less/none oppressions for them).
 
I’ve seen Georgians claim that Stalin was Ossetian and claiming that Ossetians under Stalin was the only ethnicity that gain (I am not sure, but I think they claim that there were some territorial gains and maybe less/none oppressions for them).
AFAIK officially Stalin had been claimed as Georgian and unoficially partially Gyp*y origin specimen.
While God knows better.
Osetins does have their own language and culture different from georgian culture and language.
 
https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1703312841120403670?s=20
Edit: any reason twitter vids dont embed anymore?

Amateur hour at twitter. Zero foresight that widely used forum software embed functions would be broken by changing the tld. Unexplainably stupid. When people tell me that these are the smartest engineers in the world working at these companies I just laugh. They are yes men and goofy ass idiot scrubs. The free version of chatgpt would have seen this coming.

Anyways... Change the "x.com" portion of url back to "twitter.com" and it works.

 
Amateur hour at twitter. Zero foresight that widely used forum software embed functions would be broken by changing the tld. Unexplainably stupid. When people tell me that these are the smartest engineers in the world working at these companies I just laugh. They are yes men and goofy ass idiot scrubs. The free version of chatgpt would have seen this coming.

Anyways... Change the "x.com" portion of url back to "twitter.com" and it works.


Lmao, you'd think a multi-billion dollar company would manage to fix that in a couple of hours.
Cheers!
 
New Latvian MoD candidate for sure should be fixed.
He is worse for Ukr than Trump or Orban. Dear God if he will be approwed in final process.
 

Good exibition.
The better and more weapons you have the more unlikely will be to face attack.
Btw ukrainians most likely will use their egg powder instead next jammers batches from " small shit Lithuania ".
 
It's strange to think that being forced at gunpoint to starve your children to death is not the worst case scenario.
Please read the post again. Many different nationalities, not just Russians, had a part to play in the USSR. Without the Latvian Riflemen, for example, there probably wouldn't have been a USSR.
 
Please read the post again. Many different nationalities, not just Russians, had a part to play in the USSR. Without the Latvian Riflemen, for example, there probably wouldn't have been a USSR.
Had been anyway.
Too low number of them in huge mesh.

And why ? Because they had instead of atrillery support nice promises when in 3 battles had attacked german positions.
Comrade, this develops not only balls, also hate, not only russians does have soul comrade.
Therefore yeah... some % of them had supported Lenin as revenge ritual vs cocky bitches.
Successful.
They aren't like cheap meat for Bakhmut comrade.
 
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