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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

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Man — I agree but this isn’t going to make Russia withdraw. It will likely make them even more adamant about stomping down Ukraine.

I get it. I do and I agree.

It does show the elites in Moscow that a war is being waged against Ukraine and that they're not outside the reach of the people they're attacking. Also, if Pres. Putin wants to fully mobilize, that's a double-edged sword he'll be wielding.

*Announces full mobilization*

- Hey! Why are you doing that?!? You said that we were rag-dolling Ukraine?!? Why do you need MY son?

*Putin - You'll shut your mouth and do what you're told or else!

Eventually, "Or else" becomes a very real option to choose against Pres. Putin. It happened to Ghaddafi and Saddam.
 
Man — I agree but this isn’t going to make Russia withdraw. It will likely make them even more adamant about stomping down Ukraine.
Not likely.
Russian is like 15 y.o HS bully.
They with pleasure commented striking on Ukr civies even 100+ miles from frontline.

They are like rats and anyway wants deUkrainization of Ukraine.
Lesser resistance: better.

Appeasing them is wrong way and any weakness they see as asking to attack more and more.

Only one thing thing they might understand is fear and force & dircet threats.
All other stuff like treaties, papers etc and even their propaganda for them is lesser worth than peace of toilet paper.

Exactly therefore to bite west with rusian idiotism and make these rats weaker is real goal for China, India, Iran and NK.
Russians are too dumb to see this. Who already had won this war...and it isn't nor Russia nor Ukraine and never will be.
 
Not likely.
Russian is like 15 y.o HS bully.
They with pleasure commented striking on Ukr civies even 100+ miles from frontline.

They are like rats and anyway wants deUkrainization of Ukraine.
Lesser resistance: better.

Appeasing them is wrong way and any weakness they see as asking to attack more and more.

Only one thing thing they might understand is fear and force & dircet threats.
All other stuff like treaties, papers etc and even their propaganda for them is lesser worth than peace of toilet paper.

Exactly therefore to bite west with rusian idiotism and make these rats weaker is real goal for China, India, Iran and NK.
Russians are too dumb to see this. Who already had won this war...and it isn't nor Russia nor Ukraine and never will be.
I didn’t say appease them.
 
What stuff Ukr politicians now might get?
Most likely now they get that will not be quickly accepted in EU or NATO.
Now Ermak is dreaming about some form of security warranties. Damn....
Nothing more than they had 1994-2022 th they will not get.
Some sneaky texts and all will be the same like before today.

Who will bother about them. No one. It is realpolitik and always will be.
 
That is not what we were talking about. You mentioned a Finland invasion of Russia. Nothing to do with NATO.
Again, the U.S. Army 82nd Airborne Division can deploy worldwide within 18 hours of notification. The 75th Ranger Regiment can also deploy worldwide in the same amount of time.

No i simply mentioned pro-Rus folks are a bunch of hypocrites who boldly lie when they say Russia felt threatened by NATO.
 
No i simply mentioned pro-Rus folks are a bunch of hypocrites who boldly lie when they say Russia felt threatened by NATO.
Well, at its inception, the West told the Soviet Union NATO would not advance 1 inch to the East. NATO has advance miles to the East since that statement was made.
 
I don't see this war end in 2023 th.
Russia will not manage to occupy all areas Putin already had occupied on paper.
China and India aren't interested this war to end at all....
West fears that Putin might fall ...fears from this more than about war in Ukraine. So supplies will be according to scenario without complete Ukr win.
Putin will continue to insist on all his demands.Ukr will not agree.
2024 th...
Ceasefire or no, all will continue in the same souce....

Btw Putin might use North Korea / South Korea situation and not sign anything and keep stalemate for long years.
 
In worst for Russia scenario Putin might just order to dig more trenches and wait till autumn 2024 th with hope that Trump will be POTUS again.
 
Well, at its inception, the West told the Soviet Union NATO would not advance 1 inch to the East. NATO has advance miles to the East since that statement was made.
This is your russian propaganda comrade.

You are using one small deal about Germany.
When Gorbachev didn't had money anymore to support troops in East Germany, he opted to remowe troops from East Germany.

You, comrade had forget that this " deal " was that in East Germany bases will not be installed.
This deal btw west fultfilled.

Also I don't take anything posted by you seriously after idea that ukr might drop large paratroopers units behind frontline....with current anti air defense russia does have.

Actually you 520 days in row are acting as russia's advocate here and now are like biorobot.
ChatGPT will be more interesting....
 
Ukraine taking the fight to Russia is more about waking Russians the fuck up, and that wake up call is long overdue.

Putin might not be persuaded to withdraw, but others might be persuaded to withdraw Putin.
it could backfire though among ukraines allies, they better not let too many attacks go off target or it will be fuel to the why are we funding ukraine? crowd, and the moral high ground could be lost ..
 
Well, at its inception, the West told the Soviet Union NATO would not advance 1 inch to the East. NATO has advance miles to the East since that statement was made.
Maybe Russia shouldn't have invaded other countries, then NATO wouldn't even exist in the first place or expanded.

The whole NATO excuse is bullshit. Why keep spewing the same garbage??

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Quote it then, liar.
But, Marine Corps, five years, 0321, one tour Afghanistan and one in Iraq.
So, it was 5 years, not 2.5 years. My mistake. And why did you get out? Not promotion material?
Let me take it from the top mate. Addressing Sergeant 'Darkballs' with the 'big' dick and no brains from the United States Marine Corps. War hero, know it all after his tour in Iraq and Afghanistan. Lots of ribbons I presume?

Mate, I asked you for some very simple questions and you straight up avoided all of them. The most specific thing you could give me would be that your airborne force would be attacking in the rear and sowing confusion. That's still the most unbelievably vague ass plan that accounts for nothing that we know of the battlefield.
No, you asked for a very detailed explanation of my plan remember. Want me to quote you?
What were we thought in Infantry school and Ranger school when that 10-page detailed OPORDER goes out the window when the first round is fired downrange? The five magic words: METT-T (Mission, Enemy, Terrain, Troops and Time). I think I gave you a good general idea of the plan. I think you understood part of it. The rest kind of went over your head. You were a recon guy (0321), not a true front line trigger puller. Actually, firing a shot at the enemy would compromise your intel gathering mission. That is why you are worried about 'time' on the ground, 'extraction,' and 'resupplies.' You are doing your recon on the ground for what? A week maybe? Regular Infantry is on the ground without resupplies for much, much longer than that. I'm speaking from the Army side of the house, I'm not sure about the details of how the Corps operate their recon teams.

Apparently, you plan to drop "company sized elements" in the "far east" of Ukraine where they will strike the rear still doesn't explain how the fuck you don't lose so many aircraft in men dropping them behind the front in the face of so much anti-air. And apparently these airborne units, cut off from all possible resupply, armor support, artillery support, and with no clear way to get back to friendly lines; will just vaguely cause havoc?
No, not Company size elements. One Company with two to three Platoons (-). Similar to an SOF Operation. A distance of about 10 miles East of the major Russian defensive positions to the West. Again, initial drop to occur at night. I have already addressed resupply, armor, artillery, and link up with friendly units. Keep up with the scenario 'Darkballs.'

Zero attempts at resupplying these units and they just need to live off the land. I guess we'll just pray all ammo and weapon systems are interchangable. But I guess none of this matters if those units from the West can just magically link up with zero explanation. And since we can just drop company sized units behind enemy lines at will, I'd imagine we can just order up air drops.
Not live off the land Sergeant. Live off enemy supplies and supplies from villages along the way. 'Interchangeable?' You fucked up there Sergeant. I know the calibers are not the same. I said use enemy weapons and ammo when needed. A link up if and when Ukrainian troops from the West breach a hole on Russian defensive lines. You do realize that landmines and snipers are really the only danger for Infantry. Mines, obstacles and trenches are there only to keeps tanks from moving forward. If Western troops don't make that breach than yes, the mission would fail. It is a chance these guys are willing to take.

So, you think my plan is stupid. Maybe, but at least I have a plan. It is a work in progress.
Your turn now.
Tell me how Sergeant 'Darkballs' from the USMC would attack the Russian Army from the West with his band of Ukrainian soldiers. Details.
Use paragraph 2 and 3 only of the OPORDER to simplify things. That would be:
2. Mission (Who, what, where, when, and why).
3. Execution.
Be sure to address METT-T. Mission, Enemy, Terrain, Troops and Time. Leave out the armor since they are not going anywhere past those defensive lines. Tell us of how you and your mates beat the Iraqi and Afghan forces with your incredible leadership skills. How that experience would translate into killing and beating Russians in Ukraine. Give it a shot.
 
So, it was 5 years, not 2.5 years. My mistake. And why did you get out? Not promotion material?
Let me take it from the top mate. Addressing Sergeant 'Darkballs' with the 'big' dick and no brains from the United States Marine Corps. War hero, know it all after his tour in Iraq and Afghanistan. Lots of ribbons I presume?


No, you asked for a very detailed explanation of my plan remember. Want me to quote you?
What were we thought in Infantry school and Ranger school when that 10-page detailed OPORDER goes out the window when the first round is fired downrange? The five magic words: METT-T (Mission, Enemy, Terrain, Troops and Time). I think I gave you a good general idea of the plan. I think you understood part of it. The rest kind of went over your head. You were a recon guy (0321), not a true front line trigger puller. Actually, firing a shot at the enemy would compromise your intel gathering mission. That is why you are worried about 'time' on the ground, 'extraction,' and 'resupplies.' You are doing your recon on the ground for what? A week maybe? Regular Infantry is on the ground without resupplies for much, much longer than that. I'm speaking from the Army side of the house, I'm not sure about the details of how the Corps operate their recon teams.


No, not Company size elements. One Company with two to three Platoons (-). Similar to an SOF Operation. A distance of about 10 miles East of the major Russian defensive positions to the West. Again, initial drop to occur at night. I have already addressed resupply, armor, artillery, and link up with friendly units. Keep up with the scenario 'Darkballs.'


Not live off the land Sergeant. Live off enemy supplies and supplies from villages along the way. 'Interchangeable?' You fucked up there Sergeant. I know the calibers are not the same. I said use enemy weapons and ammo when needed. A link up if and when Ukrainian troops from the West breach a hole on Russian defensive lines. You do realize that landmines and snipers are really the only danger for Infantry. Mines, obstacles and trenches are there only to keeps tanks from moving forward. If Western troops don't make that breach than yes, the mission would fail. It is a chance these guys are willing to take.

So, you think my plan is stupid. Maybe, but at least I have a plan. It is a work in progress.
Your turn now.
Tell me how Sergeant 'Darkballs' from the USMC would attack the Russian Army from the West with his band of Ukrainian soldiers. Details. Use paragraph 2 and 3 only of the OPORDER to simplify things. That would be:
2. Mission (Who, what, where, when, and why).
3. Execution.
Be sure to address METT-T. Mission, Enemy, Terrain, Troops and Time. Leave out the armor since they are not going anywhere past those defensive lines. Tell us of how you and your mates beat the Iraqi and Afghan forces with your incredible leadership skills. How that experience would translate into killing and beating Russians in Ukraine. Give it a shot.
He never referred to himself as a "war hero", dude, and even for you that's a shitty thing to superimpose and mock.

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Also,
What were we thought in Infantry school and Ranger school when that 10-page detailed OPORDER goes out the window when the first round is fired downrange? The five magic words: METT-T (Mission, Enemy, Terrain, Troops and Time).
Pretty fuckin rich coming from a guy who told me, repeatedly, that terrain "doesn't matter" lmao. You can't even keep your bullshit straight on a basic level.
 
I wonder if the losses are 100 to 1 as some posters on here pretend it has to be so that it's 'worth it' for the Ukrainians...

All in all some good work.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/07/29/7413327/index.amp

Russian overnight losses on Tavriia front amount to over 2 companies

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Russian overnight losses on Tavriia front amount to over 2 companies

SATURDAY, 29 JULY 2023, 00:55 On 28 July, the Russian occupiers lost more than two companies of soldiers on the Tavriia front in killed and wounded. Source: Oleksandr Tarnavskyi, Commander of the Tavriia Operational and Strategic Group of Forces, on Telegram Quote: "Work continues on the Tavriia front. The defence forces are systematically driving the enemy out and are having some success. In particular, Ukrainian troops have liberated Staromaiorske in Donetsk Oblast and are consolidating their positions. Over the last day, enemy losses in killed and wounded amounted to more than two companies. Nineteen units of enemy military equipment were destroyed. In particular, two tanks, four armoured combat vehicles, a D-20 machine gun, a Supercam UAV, a Zala UAV, an Elenor UAV, a 2A36 Giatsynt-B machine gun and vehicles were destroyed. Also, eight enemy ammunition storage points were destroyed.

Details: Tarnavskyi also said that on 27 July, the Russians attacked Ukrainian positions on the Tavriia front 17 times and fired 666 times, while artillery units of the Defence Forces carried out 1,510 fire missions."
 
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