International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V11

[Anewt]

Or there were others in the trench hence laying on top of grenade.

Either a dummy or a brave bastard

 

[2fast2see]

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/trading-with-the-enemy

The Ukraine government, headed by Volodymyr Zelensky, has been using American taxpayers’ funds to pay dearly for the vitally needed diesel fuel that is keeping the Ukrainian army on the move in its war with Russia. It is unknown how much the Zelensky government is paying per gallon for the fuel, but the Pentagon was paying as much as $400 per gallon to transport gasoline from a port in Pakistan, via truck or parachute, into Afghanistan during the decades-long American war there.

What also is unknown is that Zelensky has been buying the fuel from Russia, the country with which it, and Washington, are at war, and the Ukrainian president and many in his entourage have been skimming untold millions from the American dollars earmarked for diesel fuel payments. One estimate by analysts from the Central Intelligence Agency put the embezzled funds at $400 million last year, at least; another expert compared the level of corruption in Kiev as approaching that of the Afghan war, “although there will be no professional audit reports emerging from the Ukraine.”

“Zelensky’s been buying discount diesel from the Russians,” one knowledgeable American intelligence official told me. “And who’s paying for the gas and oil? We are. Putin and his oligarchs are making millions” on it.

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/trading-with-the-enemy

 

[Blayt7hh]

True, but Russia isn't at war with NATO, the E.U. or Britain. It's not like Russia has sovereignty of Ukrainian airspace or that of any allied nation. It's like Russia shooting at an U.S. AWACS over Poland because it's feeding info on Russian troop movements in Ukraine.

I can see both sides of it. If they shot down an American spy plane, I wouldn’t feel too strongly that we needed to avenge it. If we were at war with another country that was getting key intel from an outsider, I’d probably also want out airmen to take them out.

It’s a tough one. I really just don’t blame the pilots for doing it. I’m sure they want to protect their boys on the ground too

 

[Blayt7hh]

Sure its perfectly reasonable for them to want them to shoot down, its also perfectly reasonable for them not to go into a conventional war against NATO.

If they shoot down NATO planes, NATO will put a no-fly zone.

It is possible

 

[Deleted member 585708]

One of the fiercest warlords in the world, that Ukraine has to fight against.

Struggling to bench 10 kg dumbbells.

 

[SandisLL]

Serbian stuff.
Their government had laughted about idiotic " leakage ".
They had confirmed that they didn't had sent any weapons or ammunition to Ukraine or Russia and stated that they doesn't have any intent to do this in future.
Vuchic told that he doesn't support things like when serbs migh apply to be volunteers for Ukraine or Russia.
He told that he wants to keep serbs safe from war and his country does have aim to develop economy in peaceful anf friendly manner.
Vuchic had advised serbs not to travel to Ukr or Russia.

 

[Yehudim]

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/trading-with-the-enemy

The Ukraine government, headed by Volodymyr Zelensky, has been using American taxpayers’ funds to pay dearly for the vitally needed diesel fuel that is keeping the Ukrainian army on the move in its war with Russia. It is unknown how much the Zelensky government is paying per gallon for the fuel, but the Pentagon was paying as much as $400 per gallon to transport gasoline from a port in Pakistan, via truck or parachute, into Afghanistan during the decades-long American war there.

What also is unknown is that Zelensky has been buying the fuel from Russia, the country with which it, and Washington, are at war, and the Ukrainian president and many in his entourage have been skimming untold millions from the American dollars earmarked for diesel fuel payments. One estimate by analysts from the Central Intelligence Agency put the embezzled funds at $400 million last year, at least; another expert compared the level of corruption in Kiev as approaching that of the Afghan war, “although there will be no professional audit reports emerging from the Ukraine.”

“Zelensky’s been buying discount diesel from the Russians,” one knowledgeable American intelligence official told me. “And who’s paying for the gas and oil? We are. Putin and his oligarchs are making millions” on it.

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/trading-with-the-enemy

I have no idea how true these allegations are, but 1) I already knew the angle when I saw it was Seymour Hersch 2) Keeping the lights on isn’t a gotcha.

That is the same logic that the MSM was applying when Assad bought oil off ISIS. That he was somehow in bed with them because he had to keep the lights on. Europeans continued to buy oil and gas from the Russians after the invasion.

 

[GhostZ06]

I can see both sides of it. If they shot down an American spy plane, I wouldn’t feel too strongly that we needed to avenge it. If we were at war with another country that was getting key intel from an outsider, I’d probably also want out airmen to take them out.

It’s a tough one. I really just don’t blame the pilots for doing it. I’m sure they want to protect their boys on the ground too

it appears the British see your point

 

[SandisLL]

If about endless talks " american taxpayers money " like suff it is delusional bullshit and blantant lies that U.S is bearing main expenses burden cos this war.
Yes ....U.S is main weapons supplier while majority of these weapons and ammunition had been produced long ago and just accumulated dust in warehouses.
How " expensive " or no they had valued such stuff is their bussiness.
While some from stuff they had supplied was new gear, like Switchblades etc...

Main financial direct and indirect burden in different ways actually is bearing EU.....
They also are main medicaments, generators and fuel supplier to Ukraine plus they are pumping in Ukr money on monthly basis, paying for accomodation, benefits and meals & healthcare Ukr refugees are recieving + with this even isn't enough....next expenses positions in long row....
Plus they should also spend a lot of money for energy solutions etc shit
....
It in total is considerably more than U.S " taxpayers " had put in this game.
More than this: Ukr is getting not only centralised assistance managed by EU institutions.
Also individual financial, material and technical assistance provided by countries on voluntary basis.
Plus donations from xx charities and impressive ammount of money and civilian items voluntary donated by the same EU taxpayers - casuals.
It alone is billions worth help donated voluntary....money.... civilian items and fuel.
" bad europe " and " babushka ".

 

[SandisLL]

There will be NATO summit in Vilnius.
I think that it will be with damn predictable outcome. Ofc if you are ukr it doesn't looks fun at all.

Most likely stuff will be with casual talks and Urzula and Stoltenberg will tell that european countries NATO members should increase military budgets and take increase of military spendings in long term gameplan for budgets.
NATO most likely will reject proposal from Ukraine to provide them with security warranties.
Not likely NATO will also provide Ukraine with clean card " roadmap to become a candidate to be valued and wetted as possible maybe NATO member state.
2008 th repetition in general if for real life.

 

[San Marino]

What are the two dozen incidents? And bring the source.

Do you have a SECRET level clearance? Go to any US military installation (ID and proof of said clearance) and sign on to a classified computer.

However you allegedly graduated from Ranger school, which doesn’t make you an operator, so you would know better.

Exactly.
Do I have to be an SOF operator to know when a stupid choice was made?
Why don't you check the units that fall under the United States Army Special Operations Command (USASOC).

Soldiers and Marines should stick with land operations. Marine core, a department of the Navy.

That would be the U.S. Marine Corps, not 'core.'
Where does the USMC budget come from? The U.S. Navy. That makes them an element of the U.S. Navy.
Why exactly was the USMC created? Something about Naval Infantry.

 

[Day Drinking]

I can see both sides of it. If they shot down an American spy plane, I wouldn’t feel too strongly that we needed to avenge it. If we were at war with another country that was getting key intel from an outsider, I’d probably also want out airmen to take them out.

It’s a tough one. I really just don’t blame the pilots for doing it. I’m sure they want to protect their boys on the ground too

You don't think that Russia attacking our military in NATO territory would be a gold reason to fight?

Jesus. What would be exactly? Nuking our cities?

 

[The_Renaissance]

You don't think that Russia attacking our military in NATO territory would be a gold reason to fight?

Jesus. What would be exactly? Nuking our cities?

We are not starting WWIII over the Ukraine, get that fantasy out of your head. Nobody has an appetite for a global nuclear war that kills the majority of the world's people.

 

[SandisLL]

I didn't had watched these executions videos and for me this was cos life experience.
I had been considered by local criminals as brutal guy.
Later I had to work in shithole like gym in cool hood as financial manager and as shift's mangaer in hole where pub, hotel and 24/7 store had been operated...plus car park area.
I had also "beautiful " experience to work for forensic morgue.
I had also worked for military as civil person just cos I then had opened GBH case trial pulled to court to evalue again.

So all this yelling is a bit not about real life.

 

[Deleted member 592659]

Stop demonising russians. They never wanted a war with ukraine, it’s only us and it’s military complex who benefits from it.

 

[SandisLL]

Stop demonising russians. They never wanted a war with ukraine, it’s only us and it’s military complex who benefits from it.

Russians are nazists wanting to annex ukraiane, sooner or later incorporate them in Russia and finalize the process of rusification of Ukraine and deUkrainization of Ukraine by using multiple tools Kremlin might use.
Despite white slavic russians already are minority in Russia.....LOL.
Therefore deNazification ( where nazists nation Russians ( they are nazis and fachists and always will be orcs and nazis ) of Russia is only thing that might save super rich land with stupid polulation from following it's 100 + years lony satanic heritage: super rich land and really dumb population with idiotic orcs.

 

[Blayt7hh]

You don't think that Russia attacking our military in NATO territory would be a gold reason to fight?

Jesus. What would be exactly? Nuking our cities?

If they attacked our troops that are just kicking about sure. The two near attacks by Russian planes on our planes were actively working against them.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Stop demonising russians. They never wanted a war with ukraine, it’s only us and it’s military complex who benefits from it.

If we are the only ones that benefit, maybe they should just stop invading?

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Stop demonising russians. They never wanted a war with ukraine, it’s only us and it’s military complex who benefits from it.

Were they forced to invade and start the special military operation?

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

One of the fiercest warlords in the world, that Ukraine has to fight against.

Struggling to bench 10 kg dumbbells.

Lol, almost as good as his running man video.