International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V10

[grimballer]

Interdasting
For you see, if they were in NATO, this war wouldn't be happening at all!

so you're fixing something that isn't broken, great!

if they didn't talk about nato, there would be no conflict

 

[grimballer]

did you know there is multiple kinds of warfare?

and?

 

[grimballer]

Finland is now protected under a nuclear umbrella. What's Russia going to do about it?

Putin's actions led to Russia gaining 1300km of NATO border. I don't know if you've figured out out yet, but he's not actually very good at leading his country. Now he's got a domestic terrorism problem on his hands. Again, as a direct result of his actions to protect the Russian people.

so now you condone terrorism and think a country should give in to terrorist demands?

we learn more and more about your positions here....

the nato expansion only makes things escalate further and makes ww3 and nuclear war more of a possibility while having major impact on world economy

definitely a winning strategy there

 

[jimbob27]

"still fighting" by getting their asses kicked and being reduced to 20% of the city...

gotta love how for you the side that lost 80% of the city is a actually winning and the side that made the gains is losing.

What has Russia actually won though?

In this war they've lost hundreds of thousands of men to combat and those fleeing the country. They've lost the flagship of their black sea fleet. They've lost their wealthiest fuel customers. They've lost all their super yachts in european ports, and lots of their money laundering properties in London. They've had a massive decline in international relations with most of the world. They've lost tens of thousands of military assets and gained 1300km of new NATO border and a domestic terrorism problem with bloggers getting killed by exploding statues.

They've taken a few meters of rubble in a now totally destroyed town.

Am I missing something here?

How is Russia benefiting from any of this? Does the rubble of Bakmut contain some magic supply of gold only the Russians know about?

 

[jimbob27]

so now you condone terrorism and think a country should give in to terrorist demands?

we learn more and more about your positions here....

the nato expansion only makes things escalate further and makes ww3 and nuclear war more of a possibility while having major impact on world economy

definitely a winning strategy there

I don't condone terrorism at all. Just pointing out that actions have consequences. Putin has fucked his people so now they're fighting back. It was going to happen at some point.

 

[mkess101]

so you're fixing something that isn't broken, great!

if they didn't talk about nato, there would be no conflict

Weird, was Georgia gonna join NATO when Russia attacked them? How about Chechnya? Yeah...

I like too how you make it seem as though NATO can just annex nations against their will to "move closer to Russia's border". NATO isn't a sovereign nation, it's a group of nations with an agreement to protect one another. No nation can be forced to join against their will. You want to remove the rights of sovereign nations to join because it "makes Russia nervous". Straight up the most ass backward line of reasoning on this subject LOL.

It's like if the world was a neighborhood, and on one side of the 'hood is Russia and a few blocks away is the majority of NATO countries that Russia doesn't like. And some of the residents of the houses around Russia start to go to a few parties at the NATO houses and realize they kinda like the NATO families. And they think about maybe joining up with that NATO club. And Russia wants to be able to tell these people they can't join up with the NATO crew because Russia doesn't get along with NATO. How about...fuck you? Sovereign nations don't have to answer to Russia.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

What has Russia actually won though?

In this war they've lost hundreds of thousands of men to combat and those fleeing the country. They've lost the flagship of their black sea fleet. They've lost their wealthiest fuel customers. They've lost all their super yachts in european ports, and lots of their money laundering properties in London. They've had a massive decline in international relations with most of the world. They've lost tens of thousands of military assets and gained 1300km of new NATO border and a domestic terrorism problem with bloggers getting killed by exploding statues.

They've taken a few meters of rubble in a now totally destroyed town.

Am I missing something here?

How is Russia benefiting from any of this? Does the rubble of Bakmut contain some magic supply of gold only the Russians know about?

It's actually very simple, Russian propaganda...for humanoids like grimballs to hold on to some sort of victory even though Bakhmut was a major loss for them considering the massive loses they have taken. No different from Hitler in Stalingrad . Putin following Hitlers playbook towards defeat.

 

[PEB]

Oh look Trump's statesman who is clueless about everything was interviewed by 60 mins. Oh she's full of crap.

"
Republican Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene told 60 Minutes she believes, "The United States needs to be pushing for peace in Ukraine, not funding a proxy war with Russia."

The outspoken and often controversial Georgia congresswoman was profiled by 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl for Sunday's broadcast.

Shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine, Greene voted in favor of a March 2022 House Resolution backing the people of Ukraine. She says her support ended there"


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...-s-support-for-the-war-60-minutes-2023-04-02/

 

[Darkballs]

"still fighting" by getting their asses kicked and being reduced to 20% of the city...

gotta love how for you the side that lost 80% of the city is a actually winning and the side that made the gains is losing.

That's one way to look at it.

The other would be that Russia had all winter to expand their positions in hopes of blunting a Ukrainian spring offensive. To that effect, Russia still hasn't taken this strategically insignificant city and it has cost them upwards of 70,000 lives and countless equipment (i know, you'll just say this is fake because it hurts your feelings).

Russians couldn't have fucked the dog any worse over the past few months. I'm sure you'll be taking another leave of absence from this thread in short order.

 

[San Marino]

4) Modern tanks most certainly will help along the bradly's and other new armor being sent.

How exactly are Western tanks in Ukraine going to help Ukraine in this conflict?
Russian tanks didn't accomplish anything in Ukraine.
Tanks need a lot of fuel and work in conjunction with Infantry. They are worthless in urban terrain.
Ukrainian artillery is doing just fine so far, it just needs more shells to fire at the Russians.

* The United States Marine Corps has already gotten rid of all its tanks.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

That's one way to look at it.

The other would be that Russia had all winter to expand their positions in hopes of blunting a Ukrainian spring offensive. To that effect, Russia still hasn't taken this strategically insignificant city and it has cost them upwards of 70,000 lives and countless equipment (i know, you'll just say this is fake because it hurts your feelings).

Russians couldn't have fucked the dog any worse over the past few months. I'm sure you'll be taking another leave of absence from this thread in short order.

But he believes the kill ratio is actually 10-1 for Russia so you must understand his ignorance.

 

[GhostZ06]

and?

basically stop talking out your ass.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

How exactly are Western tanks in Ukraine going to help Ukraine in this conflict?
Russian tanks didn't accomplish shit in Ukraine.
Tanks need a lot of fuel and work in conjunction with Infantry. They are worthless in urban terrain.
Ukrainian artillery is doing just fine so far, it just needs more shells to fire at the Russians.

* The United States Marine Corps has already gotten rid of all its tanks.

You were an actual soldier? Faster moving Leopards and challengers with longer range capability and better armor then what ever is left of the Russian tanks and you think this wont help???, you must have been the cook.

Not to mention how dumb Russians fought , they did armor charges the same way they did meat wall charges...they are dumb as fuck....tons of footage to prove that.

 

[Cid]

Haven’t been here in a while, but here are the gist of my geopolitical feelings of late between the USA, NATO, AUS, SK, Japan etc.and Russia, China, NK, Iran etc.

We are losing ground. Feelsbadman.

Are you from the latter options?

Because NATO has gone from nearly obsolete to stronger and move important than it has been for decades.
USA hegemony is more popular than ever
Russia is about to lose any claim to being a superpower

and the entire world is slowly starting to wake up to the realization that trade with China hasn't stopped them from being a hostile nation.

Feels like we're finally getting it right to me.

 

[Limbo Pete]

so you're fixing something that isn't broken, great!

if they didn't talk about nato, there would be no conflict

The same NATO that Finland joined today, and that they've been sharing several borders with already for decades lol

 

[Vergilius]

https://warontherocks.com/2023/04/russia-will-soon-be-on-the-defense-but-then-what/
Latest update from Michael Kofman whose analysis of the war has largely been correct, key points:
*Russia is slowly pressing Ukraine out of Bakhmut after switching tactics away from envelopment and rotating their troops.
*The rate of attrition was favourable to Ukraine for a long time, but is not so favourable anymore and its worth considering whether Ukraine has committed to defending the city for too long.
*On the whole though, Russia is starting to switch to a defense posture as they anticipate the Ukrainian counteroffensive.
*The Russian winteroffensive will soon be over and on the whole it was as disappointing as Kofman expected.
*The question is now what Ukraine has left in the tank. Kofman believes it has 6 fresh brigades to work with, but is having to wait for an injection of ammunition which is on the way.
*all in all, Ukraine should have room for a series of offensives across the spring and into summer. It's hard to predict how they will go, but stay tuned.
*the big question is what happens after that: can and WILL the West keep providing Ukraine with the gear it needs to retain a defensive advantage over Russia?
*Russia has promised not to do another mobilization, but that will probably not work out for them as they likely will be unable to sustain this war without another mobilization.

So all in all, it's important to be realistic about prospects: the next months may be decisive in the war and if they are, it's because we may be seeing the high watermark for Western support. The situation on the battlefield is similar to last year, when Russia got stuck through attrition and Ukraine was preparing to go on the counteroffensive, but it's an open question whether that offensive will look like another Kharkiv (sweeping gains) or another Kherson (slow, attritional gains).

 

[shinkyoku]

btw didn't that finish pm just got defeated? people in the west don't like how their leaders are handling the situation in ukraine

The party that won differ from the previous ruling party in economic theory. Their positions on joining NATO are identical.
If you are thinking/hoping that the election result reflects a disappointment among Finns about joining NATO you are deluded.
Only one political party in FInland is against joining Nato. It is the party formerly known as the communists, and they are tiny.

 

[Vergilius]

https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2...tails-from-inside-the-kremlin.H1-nGWEtbn.html
A former FSO officer who defected last year has come forward with information about Putin (he worked fairly closely with the President for many years and has taken many trips with him).

Apparently Putin never uses a cellphone or browses the internet. He has videolink and landlines set up everywhere he goes. He is very self-isolating and has grown more paranoid over time: "Putin does not use the internet or mobile phone. He only receives information from his inner circle, which means that he lives in an information vacuum. All food is inspected and tested by a special team. On trips, firefighters and engineers accompany them to examine all the premises, he says and continues: "The president has a phone booth that we take with us on every trip abroad. It is a cube about 2.5 meters high that you can talk in without risking being intercepted by foreign intelligence services."

On the flip side, he does not believe Putin has any serious health problems, apart from those normally assosciated with age.

I suppose none of this is particularly surprising, but it's the first time I've heard it from a source who was close enough to Putin to know him personally.

 

[Billy no mates]

only in the minds of irrational people who are paranoid.

The Finns have spent time both directly and indirectly under the Russian yoke , given that the current Russian ruler has published a revanchist manifesto and acted upon it the Finns would seem to acting entirely rationally .

 

[Hog-train]

but it's an open question whether that offensive will look like another Kharkiv (sweeping gains) or another Kherson (slow, attritional gains).

I doubt it will be another Kharkiv like situation with sweeping gains because Russia was caught completely flat footed with that. Russia does dumb things, but they do learn.

Now they will be more dug into their defensive positions as before they were on the attack and very overextended.

However, Ukraine will also now have more modern weapons as well as better training.