International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V10

[Rod1]

invaded by a wrong country...

Invaded with the explicit intent to destroy them.

if us was the one invading (like they invaded other countries in the past) you would be cheerleadering here and saying "its for their own good", right?

Depends entirely on the reasons leading to the invasion, if its to restore a democratically elected leader from a dictator like in Panama then yes.

If its to find WMDs in Iraq then no.

doesn't change the fact that democratically elected president was removed in a western backed coup and you support it all while pretending to care about "democracy"

But democracy was restored, so the 2022 invasion had squat to do with Yanukovych.

compared to us and other nato members? not even close

When was the last time the US annexed another's nation land by force? Puerto Rico?

 

[Darkballs]

This isn't even fucking true. You've said this before and I corrected you. Bahkmut is situated in a lowland valley, on the other side are hills steeper than on the eastern side of it, which took the Russians 8 months to get over.

This isn't western propaganda. This is basic geography and topography, lmao. It is not open fields passed Bakhmut. The terrain favors the defender even more.

It's really like @grimballer is in a one man race to be wrong at everything.

I mean, the kids at the point now where he's gonna lie about geography and just pray that no one looks at a map.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

It's really like @grimballer is in a one man race to be wrong at everything.

I mean, the kids at the point now where he's gonna lie about geography and just pray that no one looks at a map.

He's just following the Russian play book.....Lie and deny, and never stop.

 

[aries]

This isn't even fucking true. You've said this before and I corrected you. Bahkmut is situated in a lowland valley, on the other side are hills steeper than on the eastern side of it, which took the Russians 8 months to get over.

This isn't western propaganda. This is basic geography and topography, lmao. It is not open fields passed Bakhmut. The terrain favors the defender even more.

No wonder the Ukrainians are happy to 'fix' the Russians into a geographical kill zone. The Russians just keep throwing bodies at the line, and the Ukrainians happily oblige by slaughtering them in high numbers. Can't wait until the first Western tanks start operating.

 

[Rational Poster]

No wonder the Ukrainians are happy to 'fix' the Russians into a geographical kill zone. The Russians just keep throwing bodies at the line, and the Ukrainians happily oblige by slaughtering them in high numbers. Can't wait until the first Western tanks start operating.

The "60,000" Ukrainians encircled in Bahkmut are not in Bahkmut. The pre-war population of the town was just 70,000... then the Russians have been blowing it to shit for the past year.

They're in the hills surrounding the town shooting down. The town wouldn't be able to sustain that many troops if they actually wanted to be there.

 

[grimballer]

This isn't even fucking true. You've said this before and I corrected you. Bahkmut is situated in a lowland valley, on the other side are hills steeper than on the eastern side of it, which took the Russians 8 months to get over.

This isn't western propaganda. This is basic geography and topography, lmao. It is not open fields passed Bakhmut. The terrain favors the defender even more.

you think ukraine has advanced technology of flying tanks and artillery and can just position their units anywhere they want like in a video game?

the only major strategic location left between bakhmut and kramatorsk/slovyansk with some elevation is chasiv yar. wagner already captured kurdyumivka

 

[Deleted member 585708]

It's pretty rooted in antisemitism, generally when surrounding the words they or them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses

Never heard of this before!

Is that pretty niche?

I can only imagine people have unwittingly used triple parentheses for reasons other than this. First thing that comes to mind is the band Sunn 0))). Can't imagine they're being anti-Semitic, and if they'd heard of it, probably wouldn't have used even a single triple parentheses?

Seems like really obscure knowledge to me?

 

[Rational Poster]

you think ukraine has advanced technology of flying tanks and artillery and can just position their units anywhere they want like in a video game?

the only major strategic location left between bakhmut and kramatorsk/slovyansk with some elevation is chasiv yar. wagner already captured kurdyumivka

There's literally towns already in those hills lmao. There's a highway. These aren't mountains, but hills less than 1000ft elevation.

They're already positioned in the hillside overlooking the town. It's all hilly terrain, not open field.

 

[grimballer]

Invaded with the explicit intent to destroy them.

thats like your opinion, man

Depends entirely on the reasons leading to the invasion, if its to restore a democratically elected leader from a dictator like in Panama then yes.

If its to find WMDs in Iraq then no.

so you would support russia actually invading ukraine in 2014 and restoring the democratically elected president that wat removed in a western backed coup? good to know!

But democracy was restored, so the 2022 invasion had squat to do with Yanukovych.

again they should've invaded in 2014, right?

also since then there was this conflict in east ukraine you might have heard about and kiev regime not respecting the agreement they signed

When was the last time the US annexed another's nation land by force? Puerto Rico?

i mean they have troops occupying parts of syria right now and pretty much stealing their oil

theres also part of serbia that was just taken and became a nato protectorate

 

[Limbo Pete]

still deflecting?

what that has to do with situation right now where ukraine is constantly losing territory while the kievan comedian pretends everything is under control and keeps sending troops to be slaughtered?

They've been stuck outside Bahkmut for over 7 months, dude. Every day you rant about how it's falling practically any minute now, despite the process being drawn out for over half a year lmao

 

[grimballer]

There's literally towns already in those hills lmao. There's a highway. These aren't mountains, but hills less than 1000ft elevation.

They're already positioned in the hillside overlooking the town. It's all hilly terrain, not open field.

cool! it doesn't change the fact that chasiv yar is the only strategic location left between wagner and kramatorsk/slovyansk and thats a town ok 10k people unlike bakhmut that was close to 100k

you think ukraine gonna put all their troops in some random small villages?

 

[Rod1]

thats like your opinion, man

And the opinion of the Kremlin propagandists.

so you would support russia actually invading ukraine in 2014 and restoring the democratically elected president that wat removed in a western backed coup? good to know!

If Yanukovych had been deposed by a person
If said person declared himself dictator
If Russian intervention was limited to just taking down the dictator
If after the dictator had been taken down then Yanukovych had been restored into power
If then Yanukovych called for snap elections to solve the Constitutional crisis

Then yes, i would had supported such a move, a tons of IFs in a world where Russia actually poisoned one Ukrainain candidate less than 10 years before Euromaidan.

again they should've invaded in 2014, right?

If the intent was to restore democracy there would had not been a need to invade in 2014, just diplomatically force Ukraine into having snap elections.

also since then there was this conflict in east ukraine you might have heard about and kiev regime not respecting the agreement they signed

Why did Russia vetoed UN peacekeepers to keep the agreement?

 

[grimballer]

They've been stuck outside Bahkmut for over 7 months, dude. Every day you rant about how it's falling practically any minute now, despite the process being drawn out for over half a year lmao

and they took northern part, southern part and 65% of the city in last 30 days...

i get you have no new partisan talking points to parrot so you have to desperately bring up things from 6 month ago

it's time to move on

 

[Rod1]

cool! it doesn't change the fact that chasiv yar is the only strategic location left between wagner and kramatorsk/slovyansk and thats a town ok 10k people unlike bakhmut that was close to 100k

you think ukraine gonna put all their troops in some random small villages?

If Wagner PMC could had pushed West they would had encircled Bakhmut and the town would had fallen 2 weeks ago, if there was nothing West of Bakhmut to prevent Russian advance there would had been nothing West of Bakhmut to prevent the encirclement.

Your predictions are the worst.

 

[Rod1]

and they took northern part, southern part and 65% of the city in last 30 days...

it's time to move on

Sure and they gave Ukrainians their sweet ass time to retreat from Bakhmut and send in the special forces that are grinding Russians in urban warfare, another month or 2 of urban warfare and Russia will be able to claim the crater that will be Bakhmut after Russians level it to the ground in order to get the snipers and other special forces that are currently inside the city.

 

[grimballer]

And the opinion of the Kremlin propagandists.

more like nato/neocon/western propagandists

If Yanukovych had been deposed by a person
If said person declared himself dictator
If Russian intervention was limited to just taking down the dictator
If after the dictator had been taken down then Yanukovych had been restored into power
If then Yanukovych called for snap elections to solve the Constitutional crisis

Then yes, i would had supported such a move, a tons of IFs in a world where Russia actually poisoned one Ukrainain candidate less than 10 years before Euromaidan.

he was removed in a coup orchestrated by foreign governments after he accepted to hold early elections.

many of these things you mentioned did happened, but i don't remember you crying about an attack on ukrainian democracy.

If the intent was to restore democracy there would had not been a need to invade in 2014, just diplomatically force Ukraine into having snap elections.

he accepted to hold early elections and was still removed by western backed opposition...

also he was the president at the time with his party in power. he didn't have to appease the opposition party supported by the west just cause they are becoming violent and creating chaos.

Why did Russia vetoed UN peacekeepers to keep the agreement?

so its k for regime in kiev to continue shelling people in east ukraine?

 

[grimballer]

If Wagner PMC could had pushed West they would had encircled Bakhmut and the town would had fallen 2 weeks ago, if there was nothing West of Bakhmut to prevent Russian advance there would had been nothing West of Bakhmut to prevent the encirclement.

Your predictions are the worst.

it seems you aren't paying attention (what's new?)

puppet comedian is still sending troops in bakhmut which means he's trying to hold the city.

 

[grimballer]

Sure and they gave Ukrainians their sweet ass time to retreat from Bakhmut and send in the special forces that are grinding Russians in urban warfare, another month or 2 of urban warfare and Russia will be able to claim the crater that will be Bakhmut after Russians level it to the ground in order to get the snipers and other special forces that are currently inside the city.

month or 2?

in one month they took 65% of the town and completely surrounded it, but its gonna take another month or 2 to finish the job?

even nato isn't this optimistic

doubt even puppet comedian is this delusional

 

[Day Drinking]

month or 2?

in one month they took 65% of the town and completely surrounded it, but its gonna take another month or 2 to finish the job?

even nato isn't this optimistic

doubt even puppet comedian is this delusional

For being led by a puppet comedian, Ukraine is doing WILDLY better than anyone expected.

 

[Rod1]

more like nato/neocon/western propagandists