International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V10

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. Putin’s meatgrinder tactics are destroying a generation of Russian men (msn.com)
. Ammunition shortage of Wagner Group quickly ends, Russians redouble attacks on Bakhmut (msn.com)
. Bad News: NATO Tanks, Planes, and Artillery Unlikely to Win Ukraine War (msn.com) *

* As signs indicate a Ukrainian spring offensive may soon launch, many Western military analysts claim that a sufficient amount of Western armor could turn things around for Ukraine. A careful analysis reveals such optimism may be misplaced.

Leopard 2’s and M1A1 Abrams’ Combat Performance:
"There is still another factor that gets far too little consideration in Western press. The tanks Ukraine is counting on are not, in themselves, transformative technology that will greatly increase battlefield capabilities. In fact, the Leopard 2 and M1A1 Abrams have shown themselves vulnerable in combat."

"In December 2016, the Turkish army was conducting an operation against Kurdish separatists and ISIS rebels in northern Syria. Earlier in 2016, Turkey had lost many of the older M60 Patton tanks they had gotten from the U.S. and decided to employ the more modern Leopard 2A4s. In the Battle of al-Bab in December, the Leopards fared no better than the Patton tanks had, and at least 10 of the German tanks were knocked out by insurgents. Also in 2016, Defense One reported that up to 20 M1A1 tanks operated by Saudi Arabia in its war against Houthi rebels in Yemen had been knocked out."

"Let that sink in for a moment. Leopard 2s and M1A1s — the foundation of Ukraine’s battlefield hopes — were knocked out in battle when used by NATO Turkish troops and American-trained Saudis in fighting against insurgents, who themselves had no tanks. The most likely result for Ukraine, whether it’s the Leopard, the Challenger, or Abrams tanks, is going to be little different than the results they have achieved with their forces’ current, Soviet-era tanks. What matters is always how the equipment is used. The tanks themselves make far less difference."
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"In early February (2023), Ukrainian intelligence reported that Russia had amassed approximately 300,000 troops inside Ukraine for a massive invasion, stocked with an astonishing 1,800 tanks, 3,950 armored vehicles, more than 3,000 pieces of artillery and rocket launchers, 400 jets, and 300 helicopters. -- Yet there likely remains a sizable Russian force not currently engaged. As far as we know, Ukraine does not have any meaningful strategic reserve. If the Ukraine offensive is successful and drives Russia back by any distance, they will be a spent force. If the Russian lines bend but don’t break and only give small incursions along the line, the UAF will also become a spent force. In either case, once that moment of culmination has been reached, Russia will have a large and well-supplied force to launch a major counterattack of their own. Ukraine will be hard-pressed to stop a Russian counterattack."
 
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The Saudi Arabia M1A1 Abrams tank and its war against Houthi rebels in Yemen - 2016. How some of the tanks got destroyed:
There was nothing wrong with the American tank itself. The problem Saudi Arabia had with its tanks is how they were used. The tanks being destroyed were completely alone. They were left out in the open with no Infantry support - sound familiar? The minimal amount of 360 protection a crew can give themselves is to actually look around. No protection meant a Houthi sneaking up and shooting the tank with an anti-tank Russian/Iranian missile.
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A tank Platoon, either moves and fires simultaneously, or moves-stops-fires, or if it is stationary, each armored unit is concealed behind an obstacle like a hill in which case, they are not supposed to be visible. If you have a static defending position, then you are not supposed to be exposed or visible for more than you need to acquire the target and fire, which is 2–10 seconds. Even then you expose only your front part which is pretty much impenetrable.
. Why Houthi rebels are kicking the crap out of the world's best tank - We Are The Mighty
 
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I think its more the official websites of the government and not her personally.
But we knew Russia would strike back at Finland for joining NATO and now they did.
A good old Ddos attack.. high level stuff
Ohh, they started some cyber attacks in march 2022 ...and threated about special measures if Finland ( eurozone country ) will implement sanctions ordered by EC/EP and approwed by ECB....

Nothing new, old bully ruSSia..
 
It is ' russian world '...
Luhansk and Dobnbas oblastj does have huge resources for mining industry.... oligachs will be able to sell production...
Etc...
Elite will not care about casualities and the same russians too.
National card is highly usable to manipulate with crowd .....
Ofc also excuses about " bad NATO " .....
Propaganda tales about biolabs and so on....
 
So, Russia's GDP growth in 2022 th had been predicted approx +6% and inflation approx + 6%.
Putin achieved : GDP decline by ~2,1-2,3% and inflation 10-12%...
Elite ofc doesn't suffer and crowd is consuming proper propaganda so is happy.
Most funny is thing that they hope on China and India...
Their best interests are low fossil fuel prices...Russia's interests are pretty opposite for obivious reasons....also they never will allow russia to dominate in BRICS, it isn't in their interests at all...btw even Brazil with larger population than Russia does have, better demographics and climate, with economy not smaller than Russia and more lucrative for investors, will not allow Kremlin to dictate something in this BRICS.
 
Also the same China while ofc is happy to buy cheap fossil fuel is well aware about risks in international markets.
They ofc are using a lot of coal etc stuff but they also does have hydroelectric procjects and a lot of them...
Plus wind farms, solar power plants and biogas stations.....
 
F-16's would not change the war overnight because it would take around a year for them to actually be used in the war. The logistics and training would take that long to set up (or even longer.) The spring counter offensive will have happened way before that.

On top of that, Russia still has tons of SAMS in their territory. They make so many tactical mistakes but Russia, long ago, already decided the US has air superiority with their jets and responded with a hornets nest in anti-air missiles.

And they could bomb Moscow right now if they were simply given longer range HIMARS missiles.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vEGvoLnDQCU

Yes they would. This video just covers the (very obvious) complexities of giving the F16's to Ukraine and making sure that they can get the most out of them. Which I was already fully aware of. I didn't think we'd be having a discussion of all the resources, logistics and training that would need to be implemented to make them as effective as possible but since we are, every weapon system that we have given the Ukrainians so far they have adapted remarkably well too. I don't see F16's being any different.

And remember there are masses of F16's out there. The big bottleneck is trained pilots. Also not only do the F16's have a similar radar signature to Russian Mig-29's but they (at least the latest generations) have far superior countermeasures to any Russian aircraft.

Also the weapon systems that they will be able to use as a result of using the F16 platform will be a game changer, especially the HARM systems to take out the Russian SAM's. The Ukrainians have already shown their resourcefulness but adapting the AGM-88 to use on Mig 29's! They wouldn't have to do any tinkering at all to use it on the F16's. And the F16 is still the main Suppression of Enemy Air Defense aircraft of choice for the US Air Force. So yes imho the F16 would be a game changer in Ukraine.

I leave it to the Ukrainians to convince you in their own words as to why the F16's would so important. But maybe you know better than the Ukrainian air force?



The issue is the longer it takes the more highly experienced Ukrainian elite pilots will be lost, and the task just gets harder to implement.
 
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Russia not ready for what is coming. Things are about to get heavy.


 
The Saudi Arabia M1A1 Abrams tank and its war against Houthi rebels in Yemen - 2016. How some of the tanks got destroyed:
There was nothing wrong with the American tank itself. The problem Saudi Arabia had with its tanks is how they were used. The tanks being destroyed were completely alone. They were left out in the open with no Infantry support - sound familiar? The minimal amount of 360 protection a crew can give themselves is to actually look around. No protection meant a Houthi sneaking up and shooting the tank with an anti-tank Russian/Iranian missile.
main-qimg-a6590cc3ca29e4d7de122b1e19a8404c

A tank Platoon, either moves and fires simultaneously, or moves-stops-fires, or if it is stationary, each armored unit is concealed behind an obstacle like a hill in which case, they are not supposed to be visible. If you have a static defending position, then you are not supposed to be exposed or visible for more than you need to acquire the target and fire, which is 2–10 seconds. Even then you expose only your front part which is pretty much impenetrable.
. Why Houthi rebels are kicking the crap out of the world's best tank - We Are The Mighty


This is one of the reasons tanks like the Tiger II and Jagdtiger never made much of an impact on Germany's war effort in ww2. They were easily the best vehicles on paper, but during the late war they were mostly crewed with 17 year olds with about 2 months of tank training.

Personally I think the greatest difficulty facing armoured vehicles isn't going to be Russian rockets or missiles, it's going to be the huge number of anti-tank mines the Russians have presumably set over the winter. Ukraine is going to have to conduct demining missions wherever they want to use their armour.
 
The Saudi Arabia M1A1 Abrams tank and its war against Houthi rebels in Yemen - 2016. How some of the tanks got destroyed:
There was nothing wrong with the American tank itself. The problem Saudi Arabia had with its tanks is how they were used. The tanks being destroyed were completely alone. They were left out in the open with no Infantry support - sound familiar? The minimal amount of 360 protection a crew can give themselves is to actually look around. No protection meant a Houthi sneaking up and shooting the tank with an anti-tank Russian/Iranian missile.
main-qimg-a6590cc3ca29e4d7de122b1e19a8404c

A tank Platoon, either moves and fires simultaneously, or moves-stops-fires, or if it is stationary, each armored unit is concealed behind an obstacle like a hill in which case, they are not supposed to be visible. If you have a static defending position, then you are not supposed to be exposed or visible for more than you need to acquire the target and fire, which is 2–10 seconds. Even then you expose only your front part which is pretty much impenetrable.
. Why Houthi rebels are kicking the crap out of the world's best tank - We Are The Mighty


I am not sure that this took place during the Saudi war with Yemen no way to actually decern the date that this happened and I don't know why there is a tent over the tank? Need to see confirmation because this could be an older variant of the Abrams tank before upgrades and could go all the back to 2014"? New tanks have upgraded armor including an improved front plate that has been designed to protect occupants and new plating in the back.
 
The Saudi Arabia M1A1 Abrams tank and its war against Houthi rebels in Yemen - 2016. How some of the tanks got destroyed:
There was nothing wrong with the American tank itself. The problem Saudi Arabia had with its tanks is how they were used. The tanks being destroyed were completely alone. They were left out in the open with no Infantry support - sound familiar? The minimal amount of 360 protection a crew can give themselves is to actually look around. No protection meant a Houthi sneaking up and shooting the tank with an anti-tank Russian/Iranian missile.
main-qimg-a6590cc3ca29e4d7de122b1e19a8404c

A tank Platoon, either moves and fires simultaneously, or moves-stops-fires, or if it is stationary, each armored unit is concealed behind an obstacle like a hill in which case, they are not supposed to be visible. If you have a static defending position, then you are not supposed to be exposed or visible for more than you need to acquire the target and fire, which is 2–10 seconds. Even then you expose only your front part which is pretty much impenetrable.
. Why Houthi rebels are kicking the crap out of the world's best tank - We Are The Mighty

In addition to what you said, another big reason is that these tanks were manned by Saudis. The Saudis and Emiratis can buy all the expensive American weapons but at the end of the day their training and competency in using the equipment is not on par with the US. Houthis also 'allegedly' got training from Hezbollah, who are pretty competent, relative to other Arab fighting forces.
 
In addition to what you said, another big reason is that these tanks were manned by Saudis. The Saudis and Emiratis can buy all the expensive American weapons but at the end of the day their training and competency in using the equipment is not on par with the US. Houthis also 'allegedly' got training from Hezbollah, who are pretty competent, relative to other Arab fighting forces.
Well that’s true that they aren’t close to being as professional as American tankers, Ukrainian tankers won’t be as professional either. I guess the real question is how close can we get them to American soldiers vs Saudis. Ukrainians have also shown that they’re somewhat proficient at combining arms. Combined arms is when tanks can make a real difference
 
Well that’s true that they aren’t close to being as professional as American tankers, Ukrainian tankers won’t be as professional either. I guess the real question is how close can we get them to American soldiers vs Saudis. Ukrainians have also shown that they’re somewhat proficient at combining arms. Combined arms is when tanks can make a real difference

I don't think you can compare the Saudi military to the Ukrainians. Saudi military has a terrible reputation where as Ukrainians shocked the world by keeping the Russians at bay.

Both have access to the same American training but you only get out what you put in. I can't imagine the Ukrainians are dicking about, smoking weed, stopping for prayers or entering candidates that can't do a single jumping jack as we've seen with middle eastern armies.
 
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This goon says Russia is winning, and seems to indicate that many of the Nato Countries won't mind, because it economically better for them to just get energy from Russia.

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Thoughts?
 
This goon says Russia is winning, and seems to indicate that many of the Nato Countries won't mind, because it economically better for them to just get energy from Russia.

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Thoughts?


Guy is a goofball doing the goofball podcast scene. He's former CIA for a good reason I'm sure.

He's just speculating at best.

Of course western countries would prefer Putin to not go invading their neighbors so they don't have to deal with this shit. But obviously the status quo was not good enough for Putin, so they have to put up with this shit even if reluctantly.
 
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