International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V10

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Almost a year in and no real end in sight. If you had told me a year ago that Ukraine would still be fighting and even have Russia on the back foot a year ago, I would not have believed it.

I am constantly amazed by the Ukrainian people’s resolve in the face such a large opponent. One thing I see constantly brought up in this thread is that people don’t believe the average Ukrainian wants to defend their homeland. That’s demonstrably false. If they didn’t, this war would have ended a long time ago.
 
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But but Big Serge said that Vuhledar and whole southeastern front is about to collapse.

Fn-Sh_OX0AQ19h6


Someone also got a batch of FPV drones.



Excaliburs have been doing a lot of work in the south lately.

 
Blayt7hh said:
Almost a year in and no real end in sight. If you had told me a year ago that Ukraine would still be fighting and even have Russia on the back foot a year ago, I would not have believed it.

I am constantly amazed by the Ukrainian people’s resolve in the face such a large opponent. One thing I see constantly brought up in this thread is that people don’t believe the average Ukrainian wants to defend their homeland. That’s demonstrably false. If they didn’t, this war would have ended a long time ago.
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Exactly. Even if Russia somehow manage to hold on to any of Ukraine, they'll be fighting against insurgents for the next hundred years. Slava Ukraini
 
Videer said:
But but Big Serge said that Vuhledar and whole southeastern front is about to collapse.

Fn-Sh_OX0AQ19h6


Someone also got a batch of FPV drones.



Excaliburs have been doing a lot of work in the south lately.

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Damn, one shot, one kill.



This just shows how smart munitions are such a game changer, Ukraine will only get more of those with time.

I don't see how Russia turns this around.
 
Blayt7hh said:
Almost a year in and no real end in sight. If you had told me a year ago that Ukraine would still be fighting and even have Russia on the back foot a year ago, I would not have believed it.

I am constantly amazed by the Ukrainian people’s resolve in the face such a large opponent. One thing I see constantly brought up in this thread is that people don’t believe the average Ukrainian wants to defend their homeland. That’s demonstrably false. If they didn’t, this war would have ended a long time ago.
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Well that's mostly russian shills calling for a UKR surrender even though the people are willing to put it all on the line. Do they really want Russia pushing the borders closer to Kiev? I'm sure if a UKR woman heard some of the shills on here calling for a surrender would take the white flag and shove up the shills part where the sun dont shine.
 
The question is...
Why does Ukraine need to be in NATO, and does anyone with a sane mind think that threatening to bring them in, and thus potentially place nuclear missiles on Russias backyard would ever be tolerated by them??

This entire narrative is evil and misguided, Ukrainians are pawns and their civilians are dying over a cause that doesn't need to be and won't ever likely will.

NATO countries are safer without Ukraine in it, and forcing Russias hand and pushing us to the brink of WW3 Armageddon is not a way to make the world a safer more peaceful place.

Facts
 
Well.
One very bad thing is that doesn't looks that they have problem with mobilisation nor also to hire new pros for Rus military nor also Wagner does have problems to hire next batches with mercenaries....

Despite huge lossess ( not likely anyone really even had counted ), they still are able smoothly deliver next batches with ppl.

In Bakhmut area they are well supplied with weapons and ammunition, good artillery and mortars fire support...skilled and well calculated ...
Only aviation they still can't use as they ofc want to use.....

Losses doesn't looks that makes sense here.

Crows etc birds number increased for a reason and I mean real animals ....birds...

Still doesn't looks any problems to deliver next batches with guys ...

Obsession with Bakhmut looks that is so high that even supplies for rus side in reality looks very well organised, fast and done smoothly...

Maybe Emperor had ordered to take Bakhmut till monday?
 
TheMaster said:
The question is...
Why does Ukraine need to be in NATO, and does anyone with a sane mind think that threatening to bring them in, and thus potentially place nuclear missiles on Russias backyard would ever be tolerated by them??

This entire narrative is evil and misguided, Ukrainians are pawns and their civilians are dying over a cause that doesn't need to be and won't ever likely will.

NATO countries are safer without Ukraine in it, and forcing Russias hand and pushing us to the brink of WW3 Armageddon is not a way to make the world a safer more peaceful place.

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So just let Russia invade and take over? I'm sure the people of UKR would get treated very well by the occupiers and should welcome them with open arms. The safer way would be to just let Putin take over whatever country he wants without a fight then everything is peaches and puppies and peace would endure right?

The only fact is you have no idea about the reality of the situation.
 
TheMaster said:
The question is...
Why does Ukraine need to be in NATO,
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LOL you are a comedy genius, I love it!

Oh wait.... you're actually serious.... I guess this whole last year of near genocide wasn't enough of a justification for Ukraine to need to be in NATO. Someone should tell that to Sweden and Finland who can't wait to join the NATO party after over half a century of neutrality.

Seriously who doesn't want to be in NATO now?
 
TheMaster said:
The question is...
Why does Ukraine need to be in NATO, and does anyone with a sane mind think that threatening to bring them in, and thus potentially place nuclear missiles on Russias backyard would ever be tolerated by them??

This entire narrative is evil and misguided, Ukrainians are pawns and their civilians are dying over a cause that doesn't need to be and won't ever likely will.

NATO countries are safer without Ukraine in it, and forcing Russias hand and pushing us to the brink of WW3 Armageddon is not a way to make the world a safer more peaceful place.

Facts
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another one? You guys seem to come out of the woodwork....

I cant wait for you to tell us about how you're part Ukranian, Russian, and whatever else and are the most objective and rational poster here.
 
Ruthless Ryan said:
So just let Russia invade and take over? I'm sure the people of UKR would get treated very well by the occupiers and should welcome them with open arms. The safer way would be to just let Putin take over whatever country he wants without a fight then everything is peaches and puppies and peace would endure right?

The only fact is you have no idea about the reality of the situation.
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Why don't you do at least the modicum of mininal research before spouting out about things you are clearly clueless about.

Find out the answer to a question before you get back to me:

- Did Putin threaten to invade Ukraine before they put in an intent to join NATO?

No

- Is there any evidence Russia had any intent to invade Ukraine before Ukraine said they wanted to join NATO?

No


 
TheMaster said:
The question is...
Why does Ukraine need to be in NATO, and does anyone with a sane mind think that threatening to bring them in, and thus potentially place nuclear missiles on Russias backyard would ever be tolerated by them??

This entire narrative is evil and misguided, Ukrainians are pawns and their civilians are dying over a cause that doesn't need to be and won't ever likely will.

NATO countries are safer without Ukraine in it, and forcing Russias hand and pushing us to the brink of WW3 Armageddon is not a way to make the world a safer more peaceful place.

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You can't be serious.
 
You tools need a serious dose of reality and empathy and to ween yourself off the media brainwashing.

How would you feel if a hostile military power kept expanding ever closer to your border?


You expect Russia to just sit there like a dumbass and allow it to happen? They had to draw a line. First East Germany, then Poland...Ukraine is that line for them and we knew it.

This is nothing more than a proxy war the US and Western Europe is waging, using an 'expendable' force in Ukraine.



Facts may not be popular and they don't respect people's opinions, but they are facts none the less.
I challenge anyone here to dispute what I just said with counter facts, before this thread goes to another needless 10,000 responses...
 
TheMaster said:
Why don't you do at least the modicum of mininal research before spouting out about things you are clearly clueless about.

Find out the answer to a question before you get back to me:

- Did Putin threaten to invade Ukraine before they put in an intent to join NATO?

No

- Is there any evidence Russia had any intent to invade Ukraine before Ukraine said they wanted to join NATO?

No
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Yes he did - multiple times. He even told Bush years ago that Ukraine wasn't a real country. Putin indicated multiples times he eventually wanted Ukraine.

Ukraine applied for NATO in 2008 and got rejected. Then after that, they repeatedly said they had no plans of joining. According to polls conducted between 2005 and 2013, Ukrainian public support of NATO membership remained low.

Ukraine's parliament literally passed a law that rejected any ambition to join NATO in 2010.

https://www.bbc.com/news/10229626

Only after Putin took Crimea in 2014 did they start saying they will join again.

The claims that Putin only wanted Ukraine due to the West's meddling and them joining NATO is propaganda and an excuse. Putin either wanted Ukraine or have them as a client state like Belarus.
 
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TheMaster said:
- Did Putin threaten to invade Ukraine before they put in an intent to join NATO?

No

- Is there any evidence Russia had any intent to invade Ukraine before Ukraine said they wanted to join NATO?

No
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Ok let's take that as gospel for arguments sake. So Russia's response is to invade Ukraine before they can become a proper NATO member? And you wonder why Ukraine are now desperate to become part of NATO. Russia's actions have now pushed Sweden and Finland to join NATO too. Russia apparently felt threatened by the possibility of Ukraine becoming part of NATO but by their own actions they've forced two far more dangerous adversaries into NATO swelling it's ranks.

And Ukraine will inevitably join NATO. In fact if anything it's just fast-tracked Ukraines admission into NATO. Consequently Russia will now have another 2400 miles of land border to defend it's already overstretched Western flank and seriously neutered it's military defensive capabilities for at least the next 3 decades.

IF NATO were a serious threat to the safety of the Russian state, Putin has just made it infinitely worse for his nation with his stunning display of geo-political and military ineptitude.
 
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TheMaster said:
The question is...
Why does Ukraine need to be in NATO, and does anyone with a sane mind think that threatening to bring them in, and thus potentially place nuclear missiles on Russias backyard would ever be tolerated by them??

This entire narrative is evil and misguided, Ukrainians are pawns and their civilians are dying over a cause that doesn't need to be and won't ever likely will.

NATO countries are safer without Ukraine in it, and forcing Russias hand and pushing us to the brink of WW3 Armageddon is not a way to make the world a safer more peaceful place.

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