Law russell brand allegations

[giusti825]

Yeah because the publications pooled resources and cooperated on a very big project. It was just channel 4 and the times. Do you not want publications to work together when it makes sense or something?

This was a response to someone commenting that there was no coordination between MSM outlets. My contention is that this was precoordinated.

A private company or individual has no obligation to follow due process or any process.

If the phone company doesn't like your political speech, should they be allowed to cut off your phone service? What about the electric company? The water company?

They can't be held liable for how customers use their services, platforms enjoy the same legal protection. They should be held to the same standards.

YouTube has an established and published Terms of Service. Brand has not violated it. If they can arbitrarily pick and choose what gets published, whether or not there is a ToS violation, they should be classified as a publisher not a platform. They should lose the privilege of the section 230 liability shields.

If a company wants to operate as a platform and enjoy the protections that come with that clarification, that's fine. But a company calling itself a platform and acting like a publisher, should lose those protections and be classified in the role in which they operate.

YouTube censorship and deplatforming has been out of control for the past few years. If Missouri vs Biden, the Twitter files and Facebook files are any indication, the government was pulling the strings behind the scenes with Google as well.

 

[eddymotto]

Yeah I didnt honestly expect much in the ways of ideological consistency.

for me, the issue is that I’m pretty obtuse so sometimes I misunderstand stuff & start writing insane prison rape oriented posts.

It’s definitely something for me to work to improve

 

[Sinister]

You’re probably right… I mean, what would be the point of bringing this up 15 years after the fact? Particularly to some random reporter?

Plus, why would a random news organization even approach me asking if I was sexually assaulted?

I know you think this is some witty retort that exemplifies the idea that admitting to victimization MUCH later than a thing happened is true, but all it shows is how absurdly misguided you seem on victim issues.

A random news agency doing a story on rapes and how the person who raped you would definitely approach you if they found information that you had any connection. Reporters get tips on those sorts of situations all the time, and say if it was a prison, it might even take a few hears for an exposé to come together on it..

This whole air of "if it wasnt reported immediately, it probably didnt happen" is horsesh*t. Just a way to victim-blame.

for me, the issue is that I’m pretty obtuse so sometimes I misunderstand stuff & start writing insane prison rape oriented posts.

It’s definitely something for me to work to improve

I'd say more like you expect things of other people you're not likely to do yourself. In fact you're so unlikely to do it you'd avoid even saying so altogether.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

I think we just stumbled upon his main objective. Literally take ANY "comedy" he's done in front of audiences and listen to it with that in mind, and it becomes glaringly obvious that he's actively grooming women in the audience.



Then there's these things:

NGL, I'm a pretty big fan of stand up comedy and I've seen a lot. From pros, to Joes in comedy clubs on multiple continents.

That first video is one of the worst bits I've ever seen in my life. Just mind boggling bad. Like, I'd rather listen to Brendan Schaub kind of bad. It's not that I only now wish I was deaf, it's that I feel like pouring acid in my eyes too.

 

[Sinister]

NGL, I'm a pretty big fan of stand up comedy and I've seen a lot. From pros, to Joes in comedy clubs on multiple continents.

That first video is one of the worst bits I've ever seen in my life. Just mind boggling bad. Like, I'd rather listen to Brendan Schaub kind of bad. It's not that I only now wish I was deaf, it's that I feel like pouring acid in my eyes too.

Many of his early routines were like that, just purely his fetishes and the punchline was his accent and vernacular.

 

[chardog]

This was a response to someone commenting that there was no coordination between MSM outlets. My contention is that this was precoordinated.



If the phone company doesn't like your political speech, should they be allowed to cut off your phone service? What about the electric company? The water company?

They can't be held liable for how customers use their services, platforms enjoy the same legal protection. They should be held to the same standards.

YouTube has a publisher and established Terms of Service. Brand has not violated it. If they can arbitrarily pick and choose what gets published, whether or not there is a ToS violation, they should be classified as a publisher not a platform. They should lose the privilege of the section 230 liability shields.

If a company wants to operate as a platform and enjoy the protections that come with that clarification, that's fine. But a company calling itself a platform and acting like a publisher, Oregon should lose those protections and be classified in the role in which they operate.

YouTube censorship and deplatforming had been out of control for the past few years. If Missouri vs Biden, the Twitter files and Facebook files are any indication, the government was pulling the strings behind the scenes with Google as well.

YouTube is essentially stealing from RB, and the party of workers rights couldn’t give a hoot.

Even convicted felons are allowed to work, RB isn’t getting paid. YT salty that RB have moved over to rumble and can survive without them, he gets plenty of views over there because he has a quality show.

 

[chardog]

NGL, I'm a pretty big fan of stand up comedy and I've seen a lot. From pros, to Joes in comedy clubs on multiple continents.

That first video is one of the worst bits I've ever seen in my life. Just mind boggling bad. Like, I'd rather listen to Brendan Schaub kind of bad. It's not that I only now wish I was deaf, it's that I feel like pouring acid in my eyes too.

Rule of thumb, if you have to rely on physical acting to make it funny, then your joke probably sucks.

some comics do it to add to an already funny punchline, but if you don’t have that to start with? Your delivery ain’t going to save you.

that said, never paid attention to his comedy, came off as someone that was funny but never really worked on material to become really funny.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Could you expound on this a bit? Yeah, off-topic, but I'd like to understand this viewpoint on the semantics better.

And yes I owe you a reply in another thread but been busy and good god do the WR threads move at a brisk pace

The name of the party is the Democratic Party. One can seriously disagree with anything they do, but calling it the "Democrat party" is unserious namecalling. Likewise for "DNC" unless people are actually talking about the national committee.

No problem. No rush.

 

[PhitePhan]

I know you think this is some witty retort that exemplifies the idea that admitting to victimization MUCH later than a thing happened is true, but all it shows is how absurdly misguided you seem on victim issues.

A random news agency doing a story on rapes and how the person who raped you would definitely approach you if they found information that you had any connection. Reporters get tips on those sorts of situations all the time, and say if it was a prison, it might even take a few hears for an exposé to come together on it..

This whole air of "if it wasnt reported immediately, it probably didnt happen" is horsesh*t. Just a way to victim-blame.

Of course, Sinister on a karate forum is the authority regarding when a woman was REALLY raped… sure thing, bud!

The reality is that you don’t know the truth just like I don’t know the truth. You’re emotional appeal to “victim shaming” is cheap and has zero merit.

You think it’s coincidence that multiple women all decided to confront the horrible reality of their assaults… all at the same time… all in the most public manner possible?

Maybe.

I think we should NOT cast judgment without evidence, because people make false claims of assault for various reasons (see Tara Reade’s claim of sexual assault against Joe Biden).

I prefer to follow evidence before casting judgment, unlike you who can apparently divine the truth about who the victim is before evidence is presented.

 

[Sinister]

Of course, Sinister on a karate forum is the authority regarding when a woman was REALLY raped… sure thing, bud!

The reality is that you don’t know the truth just like I don’t know the truth. You’re emotional appeal to “victim shaming” is cheap and has zero merit.

You think it’s coincidence that multiple women all decided to confront the horrible reality of their assaults… all at the same time… all in the most public manner possible?

Maybe.

I think we should NOT cast judgment without evidence, because people make false claims of assault for various reasons (see Tara Reade’s claim of sexual assault against Joe Biden).

I prefer to follow evidence before casting judgment, unlike you who can apparently divine the truth about who the victim is before evidence is presented.

Yeah, except there is a thread around here where another bonafide creep was actually convicted in a Court of law and predictably certain posters deemed that wasn't good enough, either. It's always the same old story. You can levy personal attacks all you want, as well as hint at the likely conspiracy theory most guys like this claim is happening to them being true...my entire point was that crimes get reported long after they happen all the time. You asked why anyone would ask you about being raped years later and I gave you a viable answer, you decided to spew this garbage, and I've never once said Brand is guilty...but I think he is. That's just an opinion, not a judgment. A judgment is that he's a disgusting creep who grifts on whatever subject gets him the most attention, but he just might be a rapist as well...and given the sum of his behavior, reputation, and the strength of the preliminary evidence against him, I find the conspiracy angle laughable at this point.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Many of his early routines were like that, just purely his fetishes and the punchline was his accent and vernacular.

He was funny as Dr Nefario in despicable me, that's the best I can say about him

 

[avenue94]

This was a response to someone commenting that there was no coordination between MSM outlets. My contention is that this was precoordinated.

Yes...between 2 outlets working on the same story. That's about as much a conspiracy as me making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

If the phone company doesn't like your political speech, should they be allowed to cut off your phone service? What about the electric company? The water company?

Those are utilities that are either not private or given monopolies in exchange for limits to their action. Brand isnt purchaing a service from youtube, youtubs is paying him
Are you arguing that brand being monetized makes him a customer of the youtubes? Or that youtube is a public utility. Bizarre logic that makes no sense either way.

 

[HunterAcosta]

Yeah, except there is a thread around here where another bonafide creep was actually convicted in a Court of law and predictably certain posters deemed that wasn't good enough, either. It's always the same old story. You can levy personal attacks all you want, as well as hint at the likely conspiracy theory most guys like this claim is happening to them being true...my entire point was that crimes get reported long after they happen all the time. You asked why anyone would ask you about being raped years later and I gave you a viable answer, you decided to spew this garbage, and I've never once said Brand is guilty...but I think he is. That's just an opinion, not a judgment. A judgment is that he's a disgusting creep who grifts on whatever subject gets him the most attention, but he just might be a rapist as well...and given the sum of his behavior, reputation, and the strength of the preliminary evidence against him, I find the conspiracy angle laughable at this point.

Nothing will convince anyone of something if they dont open their minds and be open to possibility of MAYBE being wrong or MAYBE I dont have all the answers? People live in echo chambers and both sides make their minds up and then look for any evidence to confirm and steel man their beliefs. NOTHING we could post, write, put up a video , NOTHING will convince somebody whos already decided what truth is on that matter. You could have a video of Masterson or Brand literally raping and beating a chick and people will say it was just rough sex or "she likes it like that bro!" There is no convincing people of anything contrary to their beliefs anymore. The days or Socrates and logic are long gone im sorry to say. Not saying "dont be logical." What i am saying is that technology and in particular social media, has brought out the worst in our primal instincts of tribalism, violence, sex, magical thinking, witch hunt mentality etc. I try not to get on debates on here cause its just a circle jerk and nobody really agrees to disagree, especially in war room. Literally EVERY topic has turned into that old cliche "cant talk about religion and politics." Now its literally cant talk about ANY topic without it going completely batshit, psychotic sideways. Taylor Fuckin Swift has been argued about on social media for dating that football player then both sides start throwing shit at each other over TAYLOR FUCKIN SWIFT! Its madness.

 

[SummerStriker]

This whole air of "if it wasnt reported immediately, it probably didnt happen" is horsesh*t. Just a way to victim-blame.

There are a lot of rapists in the world. When someone says, "oh it didn't happen because the offense is old," I just assume that the person raped someone a long time ago and isn't safe.

 

[PhitePhan]

Nothing will convince anyone of something if they dont open their minds and be open to possibility of MAYBE being wrong or MAYBE I dont have all the answers? People live in echo chambers and both sides make their minds up and then look for any evidence to confirm and steel man their beliefs. NOTHING we could post, write, put up a video , NOTHING will convince somebody whos already decided what truth is on that matter. You could have a video of Masterson or Brand literally raping and beating a chick and people will say it was just rough sex or "she likes it like that bro!" There is no convincing people of anything contrary to their beliefs anymore. The days or Socrates and logic are long gone im sorry to say. Not saying "dont be logical." What i am saying is that technology and in particular social media, has brought out the worst in our primal instincts of tribalism, violence, sex, magical thinking, witch hunt mentality etc. I try not to get on debates on here cause its just a circle jerk and nobody really agrees to disagree, especially in war room.

Is this supposed to ironic or something? The only people here stating anything outright, are the usual suspects (the same ones who demand war in Ukraine, COVID lockdowns, and vaccine mandates, etc)… it’s almost like they HAVE to follow the mainstream narrative.

Mostly, there are rational posters in this thread stating the obvious, “allegations mean jack shit this day and age, show me evidence.” Then you’ve got try-hards talking about “victim shaming” and how it’s perfectly normal that several woman suddenly decide publicize their remote assault history at the same time as a way to insinuate (or outright state) guilt for a dude because he shits on the narratives they are dependent upon.

Fuck me if you ARE bring ironic and I ranted for nothing… lol.

 

[eddymotto]

I know you think this is some witty retort that exemplifies the idea that admitting to victimization MUCH later than a thing happened is true, but all it shows is how absurdly misguided you seem on victim issues.

A random news agency doing a story on rapes and how the person who raped you would definitely approach you if they found information that you had any connection. Reporters get tips on those sorts of situations all the time, and say if it was a prison, it might even take a few hears for an exposé to come together on it..

This whole air of "if it wasnt reported immediately, it probably didnt happen" is horsesh*t. Just a way to victim-blame.



I'd say more like you expect things of other people you're not likely to do yourself. In fact you're so unlikely to do it you'd avoid even saying so altogether.

you have been awesome through this entire process and I highly encourage you to say more! do not get censored!

 

[HunterAcosta]

Is this supposed to ironic or something? The only people here stating anything outright, are the usual suspects (the same ones who demand war in Ukraine, COVID lockdowns, and vaccine mandates, etc)… it’s almost like they HAVE to follow the mainstream narrative.

Mostly, there are rational posters in this thread stating the obvious, “allegations mean jack shit this day and age, show me evidence.” Then you’ve got try-hards talking about “victim shaming” and how it’s perfectly normal that several woman suddenly decide publicize their remote assault history at the same time as a way to insinuate (or outright state) guilt for a dude because he shits on the narratives they are dependent upon.

Fuck me if you ARE bring ironic and I ranted for nothing… lol.

Yeah im being ironic lol. i agree with everything you said. And this thread may be more civil but you know some threads in war room go bat shit bonkers, scorched earth.

 

[Sinister]

Nothing will convince anyone of something if they dont open their minds and be open to possibility of MAYBE being wrong or MAYBE I dont have all the answers? People live in echo chambers and both sides make their minds up and then look for any evidence to confirm and steel man their beliefs. NOTHING we could post, write, put up a video , NOTHING will convince somebody whos already decided what truth is on that matter. You could have a video of Masterson or Brand literally raping and beating a chick and people will say it was just rough sex or "she likes it like that bro!" There is no convincing people of anything contrary to their beliefs anymore. The days or Socrates and logic are long gone im sorry to say. Not saying "dont be logical." What i am saying is that technology and in particular social media, has brought out the worst in our primal instincts of tribalism, violence, sex, magical thinking, witch hunt mentality etc. I try not to get on debates on here cause its just a circle jerk and nobody really agrees to disagree, especially in war room. Literally EVERY topic has turned into that old cliche "cant talk about religion and politics." Now its literally cant talk about ANY topic without it going completely batshit, psychotic sideways. Taylor Fuckin Swift has been argued about on social media for dating that football player then both sides start throwing shit at each other over TAYLOR FUCKIN SWIFT! Its madness.

Yeah, most of the Russel Brand white-knighting is of the "I adore him now because he says what I think" sort, as opposed to objectively looking at the totality of preliminary strength of allegations, weighed against his behavior and outright public statements.

However there is a deeper underlying thought process here that NEEDS to be pointed out. What's the cliche question of a predator who you perhaps cannot prove is a predator? I believe its:

"Would you leave your daughter alone with him?"

I cant imagine anyone at any point would have been comfortable enough to do that given Russel is on video saying sexually charged sh*t about more than one person's daughter. What concerns me isnt that no one in their right mind would leave their daughter alone with him...but rather if someone acknowledged that if they did, something would likely happen to her, then the next question is:

"Would you blame your daughter for it happening?"

And unfortunately I think that certain cultural aspects would lead people in that direction. Earlier in this thread I mentioned my Father, well...he definitely blames everyone he ever hurt for essentially letting him hurt them. And the people he convinces to be on his side...well they do the same. If he hurts you they will ask: "Well, what did you do to provoke him?"

This is a classic way predatorial people insulate themselves from accountability.

 

[650lb Sumo]

Comedian and actor Russell Brand arrives at Westminster Magistrates' Court after being charged with rape and sexual assault

Russell Brand makes his first appearance in court after being charged with rape, sexual assault and indecent assault. He has always denied having non-consensual sex.

news.sky.com

Russell Brand has arrived at Westminster Magistrates' Court, charged with sexual offences including rape.

The 49-year-old comedian, actor and author - who has most recently been based in the US - was charged by post last month with one count of rape, one count of indecent assault, one count of oral rape and two counts of sexual assault in connection with incidents involving four separate women between 1999 and 2005.

The comedian has denied the accusations and said he has 'never engaged in non-consensual activity'.