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Law russell brand allegations

Mad post that. Mad. Proper personal shit.
Fairplay man. Your old man sounds like a lunatic. Good you recognise it.

Well, it effected me directly and interaction with him didn't make any sense until I learned about mental disorders in College. But it can convince a kid that they're the problem for a long time.

And it's all good. I might not be many things but I've never had to argue that I didnt rape a woman, and my kids have a Dad/Coach who values their existence
 
Well, it effected me directly and interaction with him didn't make any sense until I learned about mental disorders in College. But it can convince a kid that they're the problem for a long time.

And it's all good. I might not be many things but I've never had to argue that I didnt rape a woman, and my kids have a Dad/Coach who values their existence

Top man. We might disagree on certain things but wow. Crazy. Respect brother
 
one of my big issues with these cases is that the so called women "victims" always seem to be either putting themselves out there in an obvious attempt to get attention or they hide their identities (like in the Brand case) because they clearly have something to hide.
 
A particular reporter was working on the story (not "the media") and then when it broke, obviously it was going to get covered. To people who aren't insane CTers, that's not a coordinated attack. It's just how news works. When something newsworthy is discovered, it gets coverage.

Brand received multiple requests for comment before the original piece dropped. They all knew in advance and published the same day.

YouTube demonetized him while the accusers were still anonymous. Forget due process, Brand was demonetized before even an accuser was named. Anonymous accusations are the standard for demonetization now? Others had have had open accusations from named accusers and not been demonetized. Selective standards aren't standards at all.

:) You cannot be that naive. Greenwald doesn't give a fuck about poor and working-class people, except to the extent that they give him money. Look at how he reacts to criticism. It's mostly just "you're all poor and beneath me."

Even if he didn't care (a statement with which I disagree), his reporting is in the interest of the poor and working class and against the interests of oligarchs and the security/surveillance state. He does more for them through his reporting than many others who pretend to advocate on their behalf.

I'm talking about how he has defended Russian hacking of private communications by private citizens and then disseminating the communications in order to help Trump. He suddenly reversed his position on gov't surveillance when it became convenient. Just as he suddenly reversed his position on invasions when that became convenient (though, of course, he did support the Iraq invasion when it happened and taunted critics by talking about how popular W was).

Russia never hacked the DNC. There is no evidence of that at all. In fact, there is strong evidence to the contrary. It was a leak from someone on site to wikileaks. The transfer speed of the leaked material would have been impossible over an Internet connection, however is consistent with speeds of a file transfer to a thumb drive or external hard drive. So unless it's your contention that Russians entered the DNC headquarters, hooked up an external drive, and walked right out with DNC correspondence, Russia was not the culprit.

Hillary lost to a game show host because she was a crappy candidate with a crappy campaign strategy that missed critical States in the Midwest. Get over it, everyone else already has.

Why are election rigging allegations only allowed when it's the Democrat Party making them? Why is Russia the scapegoat for everyone liberals don't like?

There's no "Democrat party" and that type of hackish stuff gives your game away. And, sure, he supports Trump. "Supporting" no-hope candidates who are trying to help Trump is a pretty transparent move.

This logic is how both parties have become such corporate controlled garbage. "Don't vote for who you agree with because they won't win," is the slogan of fools. If enough people vote for them, they can win and if not, at least secure enough votes to qualify for federal funding.

Look at the last election. Which senior citizen, misogynist, corporate stooge would you like? The Republican one or the Democrat one?

Americans are getting increasingly fed up with the duopoly and are beginning to look elsewhere for candidates who put the people above the donors. Right now, it's not really important who wins; the outcomes will be so similar as to make the choice meaningless between the two major parties. They're both trash.

As far as calling them the Democrat Party, that's to avoid confusion. They are anything but Democratic. Having a system in primaries where there are that many super-delegates effectively negates the will of the people. This was the case with the Sanders campaigns. So many of the super-delegates publicly pledged to Clinton before the primary elections in their states that Sanders had little to no chance of securing the nomination.

Look no further than the Nevada primary 2016 to see blatant examples of a rigged primary. Look no further than the shadow app that gave an entire primary state mayor Pete, for example. Look at how they kept changing the debate requirements in 2020 to exclude candidates who critiqued the establishment of the party.

If the Democrat Party was actually Democratic, they would let the voters decide the winner of their primary and make that winner the nominee.

The opposite is the case. The DNC won a court case where their argument was that as a private corporation, they can pick the nominee themselves, even if it is directly contrary to the will of the voters..... And it has happened before.

Tomato, tomato. Private citizens being allowed to criticize the gov't is exactly what freedom of speech is, but you opposed it and pretended that it's an *pro* freedom of speech position, as if the First Amendment were designed to protect the gov't from criticism.

Corporate censorship is not free speech. If a corporation enjoys liability protection for the discourse of others on their platform, then they shouldn't be interfering in the conversation or censoring anyone.

They are not publishers, they are platforms. Allowing them censor or suppress public discussion goes directly against the principle of free speech.

Freedom of speech is more than just the first amendment. It is a core principle of fundamental human rights in a democracy. It is a right for individual people. I am a person. Twitter is not person.

What makes this much worse is that soooo much of the censorship was directly at the behest of government officials, including Trump.

Not only was the first amendment violated, but the individual right and the principle of free speech and expression.

Um, a particular website isn't the same as Internet access, genius. Saying that the gov't should be able to force websites to meet their standard of "neutrality" in order to have freedom of speech is just saying that sites shouldn't have freedom of speech.

Firstly, I never said anything about neutrality. I don't care what the staff at Twitter's political biases are. However, if they aren't going to act as a platform, they shouldn't enjoy the liability protections of section 230. Leave that liability shield for those who aren't trying to edit, alter, censor and/or suppress the public discourse and let Twitter be a publisher if they really want to act as the public's editor.

Your argument seems to be "they're a private company, they can do what they want". How very 90s Republican of you. Stuff like this is why I say modern liberals have no principles.

Censorship of legally protected speech is wrong, no matter who is doing it. Period. Full Stop.

But once again, you fail to address the fact that a substantial percentage of censorship and suppression was done at the behest of the state. You really should read Missouri vs Biden. Don't worry, the Trump administration is brought up in the suit aswell for it's time in government requesting censorship. It will help you realize how dangerous a censorship regime we currently have in this country.

The government is not allowed to use private companies as a proxy to do things directly prohibited by the Constitution... Its illegal.

Do you have any principles besides just whatever hurts the "Democrat party" is good? You have defended gassing people, sexual assault, lying, and more.

Like I said, I hate BOTH major political parties. I was a Democrat until 2016. I have just come to learn how little difference their actually is between the two.

In the 90s, the Republicans were openly pro war, pro corporate, anti worker, pro security state and generally more corrupt. From the early 90s until now, both parties have been bought off by the same interests to the point of being nearly indistinguishable from one another.

I will say one nice thing about the Democrats, since you seem to think I am incapable. A bill recently passed that prohibited corporations from illegal union busting practices. If a corporation is caught doing anything illegal to squash attempts to form a labor union, the union is automatically formed without a vote.

While the Biden administration has failed on damn near every single campaign promise, this anti-union busting legislation is probably one of the best pieces of legislation that has passed for American workers in the past 20 years. I'll give credit where it's due, its just unfortunate that there's so little deserved credit to be given to American elected officials of either major party.
 
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one of my big issues with these cases is that the so called women "victims" always seem to be either putting themselves out there in an obvious attempt to get attention or they hide their identities (like in the Brand case) because they clearly have something to hide.

If you got raped...let's say prison-style cheek-bustin rape, would you be all over media with your face out about it? Let's say you werent raped like that, forcefully...you were coerced. Your cell mate Big Thunder gave you a Snicker's bar and you were stupid enough to eat it, now he says you gotta give up the booty because that's what he wanted. 2 months later you're a girl, wearing makeup and tight pants and following him around holding his pocket.

I know, I know, we're all WAY too tough for this to happen...but let's just say it does.

You going on a press tour about it?
 
Brand recorded multiple requests for comment before the original piece dropped. They all knew in advance and published the same day.

YouTube demonetized him while the accusers were still anonymous. Forget due process, Brand was demonetized before even an accuser was named. Anonymous accusations are the standard for demonetization now? Others had have had open accusations from named accusers and not been demonetized. Selective standards aren't standards at all.

Demonetization doesn't need any standards. It's not a political issue. Send an email to YT if you don't like their policies. But it's pretty obvious that they're demonetizing him because they don't want to be associated with someone who has done what he may have done. Again, it doesn't take some big conspiracy to explain all this. Very simple.

Even if he didn't care (a statement with which I disagree), his reporting is in the interest of the PR and working class and against the interests of oligarchs and the security/surveillance state. He does more for them through his reporting than many other who pretend to advocate on their behalf.

Huh? He's working against them, actively. Trump's only major legislative accomplishment was another big tax cut for rich people and corporations. Where do you think that comes from? One of the most anti-labor labor departments we've had (and Biden is on the other extreme there).

Russia never hacked the DNC. There is no evidence of that at all.

???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee_cyber_attacks

Greenwald doesn't even deny it (the way you dishonestly do). He just thinks it's fine.

Why are election rigging allegations only allowed when it's the Democrat Party making them?

The standard here is evidence. Also, "election rigging" is your word. What I said was that Greenwald got a lot of publicity for getting the Snowden leaks, but then when gov't surveillance helps his party, he supports it. One of many examples of his inconsistency.

As far as calling them the Democrat Party, that's to avoid confusion.

No, it's just a childish insult that only hacks use. You show that you have no interest in serious discussion with that stuff.

They are anything but Democratic. Having a system in primaries where there are that many super-delegates effectively negates the will of the people. This was the case with the Sanders campaigns. So many of the super-delegates publicly pledged to Clinton before the primary elections in their states that Sanders had little to no chance of securing the nomination.

Um, Sanders lost the popular vote by a lot. It was never even close. WTF are you talking about?

Corporate censorship is not free speech. If a corporation enjoys liability protection for the discourse of others on their platform, then they shouldn't be interfering in the conversation or censoring anyone.

I understand your argument against freedom of speech, but just stand behind it instead of pretending you're arguing the exact opposite of what you are. You don't think websites should be allowed to disagree with the president depending on his party.

Firstly, I never said anything about neutrality. I don't care what the staff at Twitter's political biases are. However, if they aren't going to act as a platform, they shouldn't enjoy the liability protection of section 230. Leave that liability shield for those who aren't trying to edit, alter, censor and suppress the public discourse and let Twitter be a publisher if they really want to act as the public's editor.

All sites have that. Fox News has it. Mother Jones has it. You wanted to take it away from Twitter to punish them for criticizing the president, which is the exact opposite of what freedom of speech is for (it's not supposed to protect the gov't from criticism; it's supposed to protect our right to criticize the gov't).
 
There's no "Democrat party" and that type of hackish stuff gives your game away. And, sure, he supports Trump. "Supporting" no-hope candidates who are trying to help Trump is a pretty transparent move.

In 2016, the Libertarian party "took" more votes from Trump than the Green Party did from Hillary. More Bernie voters voted for Hillary in 2016 than Hillary voters voted for Obama in 2008.

How about we accept everyone voting for who they agree with most on policy instead of voter shaming and calling them spoilers. If the candidate really wants the voters that bad, they can amend their policies to bring them into the fold.

It is nobody's responsibility to vote for a candidate they don't like; it is the candidates responsibility to earn those votes. If there is a contingent that is heavily interested in a particular set of issues, and the candidate doesn't get those votes because they failed to address those issues, it's the candidates fault, not the voters.
 
If you got raped...let's say prison-style cheek-bustin rape, would you be all over media with your face out about it? Let's say you werent raped like that, forcefully...you were coerced. Your cell mate Big Thunder gave you a Snicker's bar and you were stupid enough to eat it, now he says you gotta give up the booty because that's what he wanted. 2 months later you're a girl, wearing makeup and tight pants and following him around holding his pocket.

I know, I know, we're all WAY too tough for this to happen...but let's just say it does.

You going on a press tour about it?
Personally, I’m going to wait 15 years and not say a word until some random news organization approaches me out of the blue… but that’s just me.

<Fedor23>
 
In 2016, the Libertarian party "took" more votes from Trump than the Green Party did from Hillary. More Bernie voters voted for Hillary in 2016 than Hillary voters voted for Obama in 2008.

You have a canned response for everything, but you don't seem to be able to read or think for yourself at all. I just pointed out that lots of Trump supporters of course support dividing the left. It's not something that means you're not a Trump supporter. Your rant doesn't have anything to do with that. Just like your CTs about Russian hacking don't have anything to do with the point that Greenwald flips his position on gov't surveillance depending on who is targeted.
 
If you got raped...let's say prison-style cheek-bustin rape, would you be all over media with your face out about it? Let's say you werent raped like that, forcefully...you were coerced. Your cell mate Big Thunder gave you a Snicker's bar and you were stupid enough to eat it, now he says you gotta give up the booty because that's what he wanted. 2 months later you're a girl, wearing makeup and tight pants and following him around holding his pocket.

I know, I know, we're all WAY too tough for this to happen...but let's just say it does.

You going on a press tour about it?

these have been added to the allegations against Brand? huge if true
 
You have a canned response for everything, but you don't seem to be able to read or think for yourself at all. I just pointed out that lots of Trump supporters of course support dividing the left. It's not something that means you're not a Trump supporter. Your rant doesn't have anything to do with that. Just like your CTs about Russian hacking don't have anything to do with the point that Greenwald flips his position on gov't surveillance depending on who is targeted.
I'm seeing this pattern again: where the discussion slides off into absurdity when someone who can't defend his position abandons the core parts of the argument in favor of incidental ones. The issue is whether Brand is guilty or not, but now he's talking about the vote distribution of the 2016 election to prove... well, I really have no idea. I've had this happen to me a couple of times and it gives me a headache. I have to retrace the entire discussion to restore my grip of what the argument even was, and maybe that's the intended effect. I don't want to call it this, but there isn't a better phrase that I know of: it's the work of a hack.
 
these have been added to the allegations against Brand? huge if true

Rape and sexual assault, huge and true allegations against Brand.

Gonna answer the questions or nah?

Personally, I’m going to wait 15 years and not say a word until some random news organization approaches me out of the blue… but that’s just me.

<Fedor23>

Personally I dont believe youd admit to that happening even then.
 
No, it's just a childish insult that only hacks use. You show that you have no interest in serious discussion with that stuff.
Could you expound on this a bit? Yeah, off-topic, but I'd like to understand this viewpoint on the semantics better.

And yes I owe you a reply in another thread but been busy and good god do the WR threads move at a brisk pace
 
one of my big issues with these cases is that the so called women "victims" always seem to be either putting themselves out there in an obvious attempt to get attention or they hide their identities (like in the Brand case) because they clearly have something to hide.
So if they can't be anonymous and can't be public, what are their options? Like who made an allegation that you believed?
 
Brand received multiple requests for comment before the original piece dropped. They all knew in advance and published the same day
Yeah because the publications pooled resources and cooperated on a very big project. It was just channel 4 and the times. Do you not want publications to work together when it makes sense or something?
YouTube demonetized him while the accusers were still anonymous. Forget due process, Brand was demonetized before even an accuser was named. Anonymous accusations are the standard for demonetization now? Others had have had open accusations from named accusers and not been demonetized. Selective standards aren't standards at all.
A private company or individual has no obligation to follow due process or any process.
 
If you got raped...let's say prison-style cheek-bustin rape, would you be all over media with your face out about it? Let's say you werent raped like that, forcefully...you were coerced. Your cell mate Big Thunder gave you a Snicker's bar and you were stupid enough to eat it, now he says you gotta give up the booty because that's what he wanted. 2 months later you're a girl, wearing makeup and tight pants and following him around holding his pocket.

I know, I know, we're all WAY too tough for this to happen...but let's just say it does.

You going on a press tour about it?
Sherdog: I don't know why these women won't come up publicly right after they were assaulted.
Also sherdog: these allegations are all baseless and fabricated in an attempt to make money.

The lack of critical thinking from Sherbros is astounding at times. My favorite was the poster who said women who don't report their assaults are terrible people and endangering the public.
 
So if they can't be anonymous and can't be public, what are their options? Like who made an allegation that you believed?

by an odd coincidence, I believe pretty much everything Russel Brand has ever said about anything

but seriously - a moment of introspection and you would likely be able to answer your own question
 
Personally I dont believe youd admit to that happening even then.
You’re probably right… I mean, what would be the point of bringing this up 15 years after the fact? Particularly to some random reporter?

Plus, why would a random news organization even approach me asking if I was sexually assaulted?
 
Rape and sexual assault, huge and true allegations against Brand.

Gonna answer the questions or nah?



Personally I dont believe youd admit to that happening even then.

the answer is that it was actually a clone and I was safely at home. and I have to say that I am THRILLED not to have been a part of your prison rape scenario. like, really relieved. terrible for the clone tho. as soon as the guild gives me the ok, I am going to write this up as a Black Mirror episode (well, spec script but hope springs eternal!)
 
the answer is that it was actually a clone and I was safely at home. and I have to say that I am THRILLED not to have been a part of your prison rape scenario. like, really relieved. terrible for the clone tho. as soon as the guild gives me the ok, I am going to write this up as a Black Mirror episode (well, spec script but hope springs eternal!)

Yeah I didnt honestly expect much in the ways of ideological consistency.
 
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