Law russell brand allegations

[The_Renaissance]

I heard the Sachs call, and thought it was really bad. You thought he was a well decorated rapist then did you? His books were brilliant so I was so drawn in. Do you know his interview with WBC and his stand up? He was fucking funny with everything I just mentioned...no?

I have never laughed at the bloke once. Never. Never found him remotely appealing in any way, shape or form.

No, I thought he was just a "top shagger" type bloke - a sex pest. A nuisance. A menace. But not dangerous.

 

[fingercuffs]

I have never laughed at the bloke once. Never. Never found him remotely appealing in any way, shape or form.

No, I thought he was just a "top shagger" type bloke - a sex pest. A nuisance. A menace. But not dangerous.

Husband and I have been taking a lot of unwanted stuff to the thrift store finding things we don't need after moving and unpacking...figured they'd refuse his two books of mine and shun us.

 

[method115]

I understand that, however I would pose the question of why anyone is even divided over Brand in the first place? I cant think of a better example of a man who desperately needs attention and affirmation, who has a definitive addictive personality that warranted contract stipulation to even employ him, who is willing to essentially say literally anything for money. And because he has a modicum of charisma he has been protected and allowed to fail upward. Fired and rehired. And made more and more money. He even said as part of his "comedy" that when wealthy establishments think they can make more money off of you, you can pretty much behave however you want.

No one should be divided over a guy like this...ESPECIALLY if he is repeating back their own ideals to garner their favor. He's a classic slimy TV guy, who gets celebrated to some extent regardless of what "side" he's on, because he will say whatever is either popular...or controversial, and doesn't seem sincere about any of it. And like every other charlatan the MOMENT he gets in any trouble over his actions he begs for money. As if the millions he has made up until this point have suddenly failed him, now he needs our money too. THESE are the moral failures who money and resources are wasted on, much more so than people who were born into misfortune and have known little else but.

I don't really know what's going on with Brand or if he did any of this stuff but I did think the way he was asking people to keep supporting him financially was weird. The dude has been making money for a very long time he shouldn't need money from anyone at this point for the rest of his life.

 

[Sinister]

I don't really know what's going on with Brand or if he did any of this stuff but I did think the way he was asking people to keep supporting him financially was weird. The dude has been making money for a very long time he shouldn't need money from anyone at this point for the rest of his life.

It's not weird for charlatans who fancy themselves cult Gurus. And he has always had cult leader vibes.

 

[The_Renaissance]

It's not weird for charlatans who fancy themselves cult Gurus. And he has always had cult leader vibes.

Definitely, that's a good observation. I can actually fully picture him running some kind of drug-fuelled sex commune with a hareem of young, vulnerable girls.

 

[method115]

It's not weird for charlatans who fancy themselves cult Gurus. And he has always had cult leader vibes.

I don't really know the guy but he always seemed like someone who meant well. On the other hand I couldn't stand listening to him for more than a couple of mins. I did like his movie get him to the greek

 

[Sinister]

Definitely, that's a good observation. I can actually fully picture him running some kind of drug-fuelled sex commune with a hareem of young, vulnerable girls.

I think we just stumbled upon his main objective. Literally take ANY "comedy" he's done in front of audiences and listen to it with that in mind, and it becomes glaringly obvious that he's actively grooming women in the audience.



Then there's these things:

 

[The_Renaissance]

I think we just stumbled upon his main objective. Literally take ANY "comedy" he's done in front of audiences and listen to it with that in mind, and it becomes glaringly obvious that he's actively grooming women in the audience.



Then there's these things:

This is it, I don't know why anyone is surprised - he has ALWAYS been an open sex addict and brazenly sleazy and filthy around women.

 

[Sinister]

I don't really know the guy but he always seemed like someone who meant well. On the other hand I couldn't stand listening to him for more than a couple of mins. I did like his movie get him to the greek

I used to train a kid who was a bonafide sociopath. Like he would watch you die in front of him if he felt that saving you would inconvenience him. Also a pretty famous boxer started at my gym (and eventually got banned from it) who is a bonafide sexual predator. Hes very similar to Brand, outlandish behavior and all. The thing all 3 of them have in common is charm. They're incredibly charming when they want to be. And they use self-deprecation to convince people they're safe.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Now I feel like you're playing dumb to avoid answering a question. Do you believe the MSM coordinated hit job on Brand has nothing to do with his political speech? That it had no factor in his targeting?

The CT that there has been an "MSM-coordinated hit job" just because they're not covering up the allegations is, of course, insane.

Now you are confusing government dissemination of private emails with public dissemination of government emails and leaked emails of public interest.

I'm pointing out how Greenwald shifts his principles depending on what's best for the propaganda needs of the day.

The government serves the people through the consent of the governed. The people have the right to see and audit government emails to and from official accounts and any account used while a government official is acting or corresponding in an official capacity.

Glenn supports transparency of government and opposes government violations of privacy rights with regards to private, non-government actors.

But he supports gov't surveillance of private citizens and dissemination of their private communications when it helps Trump. This is also like when you supported shutting Twitter down for fact-checking the president, claiming that it's a violation of freedom of speech to allow private citizens to criticize the gov't.

If you're referring to the laptop from hell, that was leaked to the media and authenticated pretty quickly; that was not a government invasion of privacy.

Referring to his support for Russia hacking American citizens and trying to spread gossip to help Trump. But, yeah, he's generally in favor of spying on private citizens when he sees it as politically useful.

Nope. Just said the opposite. Once again, Brand has not been accused of raping his ex when she was 16.

In an interview with Channel 4’s documentary component, she recalled one occasion when she alleges Brand “forced his penis down [her] throat,” choking her and refusing to back off even as she tried to push him away. Ultimately, she said, she punched him in the stomach to make him stop. She alleged he then spit in her mouth and held it closed until she swallowed, though she was “gagging and crying.”

In your view, it's OK for a grown man to do this to a 16-year-old girl if the man has the right political views, right?

I don't have a political team. Team implies alignment can be more important than principles.

Huh? Of course you do. Brand is on your team, as is Greenwald. You constantly shift your "principles" to fit with the propaganda needs of your team.

 

[giusti825]

There's no reason to believe they wouldn't be at this time and there's no way to know in any event. It's another useless question. I can't prove a negative so there's no way to prove to you it's not a conspiracy and you're convinced of that. There's nowhere to proceed from there but to go around in a circle.

None of the accusers came forward, nor were they likely to. It's been 10-16 years or so. It was the media that was contacting everyone in Brands past looking for dirt on him.

Why Brand in particular? Why now?

This is not a coincidence. Once again, if it was an accuser going to the press or police, it would be a different story; this was the mainstream press making the story happen.

The CT that there has been an "MSM-coordinated hit job" just because they're not covering up the allegations is, of course, insane.

They all started publishing the same day. They coordinated to try to make this story unmissable in the news cycle.

I'm pointing out how Greenwald shifts his principles depending on what's best for the propaganda needs of the day.

He's not propagandizing his audience. He is informing them of the ways the elites of both corporately controlled parties don't serve the needs of poor and working class people.

But he supports gov't surveillance of private citizens and dissemination of their private communications when it helps Trump. This is also like when you supported shutting Twitter down for fact-checking the president, claiming that it's a violation of freedom of speech to allow private citizens to criticize the gov't.

3 things factually incorrect in this post:

1) Glenn Greenwald supports government seizure and dissemination of private communications. Since the Snowden reporting, Greenwald's chief focus has been reporting on abuses by the surveillance state and increased privacy rights.

What example are you even thinking about here? I'm genuinely curious.

2) Greenwald supports Trump. It is possible to criticize the Democrat party while disliking Trump aswell. Political ideology is not a binary. This isn't a comic book, it's the real world. It's not good vs evil, its a bit more complicated than that. Greenwald hates both Trump and Biden. I'm pretty sure the candidates he supports are West and Kennedy at this point (despite his strong disagreement with Kennedy with regards to Palestinian rights).

3) I never supported shutting Twitter. I supported the idea that platforms should act as platforms and not publishers. This was precisely to avoid the situation Brand is currently in. He has not violated YouTube terms of service, yet he is being suppressed and demonetized without violating YouTube terms of service. Twitter and YouTube have become a large part of the digital public square. They should be treated like utilities.

Do I believe the electric company should be able to cut off power due to allegations? The water company to cut off water? The phone company to cut your phone line? No. Platforms should be no different; they are the modern tool for mass communication. Just how the other utilities mentioned would have no liability for what their customers use their services for, platforms also enjoy that privilege; they should be facilitating the public discourse, not censoring or interfering with it.

Referring to his support for Russia hacking American citizens and trying to spread gossip to help Trump. But, yeah, he's generally in favor of spying on private citizens when he sees it as politically useful.

Just factually incorrect here. Greenwald speaks out against government intrusion on almost every episode and in almost every article.

In your view, it's OK for a grown man to do this to a 16-year-old girl if the man has the right political views, right?

Can you read? I explained my position on this very clearly in my last two posts; you are literally writing the exact opposite of what I did and presenting it as my position. Strawman fallacy.

Huh? Of course you do. Brand is on your team, as is Greenwald. You constantly shift your "principles" to fit with the propaganda needs of your team.

Give me an example of me betraying any of my principles.

 

[Jack V Savage]

None of the accusers came forward, not were they likely to. It's been 10-16 years or so. It was the media that was contacting everyone in Brands past looking for dirt on him.

A particular reporter was working on the story (not "the media") and then when it broke, obviously it was going to get covered. To people who aren't insane CTers, that's not a coordinated attack. It's just how news works. When something newsworthy is discovered, it gets coverage.

He's not propagandizing his audience. He is informing them of the ways the elites of both corporately controlled parties don't serve the needs of poor and working class people.

You cannot be that naive. Greenwald doesn't give a fuck about poor and working-class people, except to the extent that they give him money. Look at how he reacts to criticism. It's mostly just "you're all poor and beneath me."

3 things factually incorrect in this post:

1) Glenn Green wald supports government seizure and dissemination of private communications. Since the Snowden reporting, Greenwald's chief focus has been reporting on abuses by the surveillance state and increased privacy rights.

What example are you even thinking about here? I'm genuinely curious.

I'm talking about how he has defended Russian hacking of private communications by private citizens and then disseminating the communications in order to help Trump. He suddenly reversed his position on gov't surveillance when it became convenient. Just as he suddenly reversed his position on invasions when that became convenient (though, of course, he did support the Iraq invasion when it happened and taunted critics by talking about how popular W was).

2) Greenwald supports Trump. It is possible to criticize the Democrat party while dialing Trump aswell. Political ideology is not a binary. This isn't a comic book, it's the real world. It's not good vs evil, its a bit more complicated than that. Greenwald Hayes both Trump and Biden. I'm pretty sure the candidates he supports are West and Kennedy at this point (despite his strong disagreement with Kennedy with regards to Palestinian rights).

There's no "Democrat party" and that type of hackish stuff gives your game away. And, sure, he supports Trump. "Supporting" no-hope candidates who are trying to help Trump is a pretty transparent move.

3) I never supported shutting Twitter. I supported the idea that platforms should act as platforms and not publishers.

Tomato, tomato. Private citizens being allowed to criticize the gov't is exactly what freedom of speech is, but you opposed it and pretended that it's an *pro* freedom of speech position, as if the First Amendment were designed to protect the gov't from criticism.

Do I believe the electric company should be able to cut off power due to allegations?

Um, a particular website isn't the same as Internet access, genius. Saying that the gov't should be able to force websites to meet their standard of "neutrality" in order to have freedom of speech is just saying that sites shouldn't have freedom of speech.

Give me an example of me betraying any of my principles.

Do you have any principles besides just whatever hurts the "Democrat party" is good? You have defended gassing people, sexual assault, lying, and more.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I used to train a kid who was a bonafide sociopath. Like he would watch you die in front of him if he felt that saving you would inconvenience him. Also a pretty famous boxer started at my gym (and eventually got banned from it) who is a bonafide sexual predator. Hes very similar to Brand, outlandish behavior and all. The thing all 3 of them have in common is charm. They're incredibly charming when they want to be. And they use self-deprecation to convince people they're safe.

It's a hallmark of high-functioning Sociopaths, I believe. They can't really feel emotions like Empathy, Compassion etc, but they are very, very good at faking them in order to manipulate their victims.

Hermann Goring is an infamous example. Highly intelligent - tests administered while he was awaiting trial at Nuremberg showed him to possess a near genius level IQ - and incredibly manipulative. One lawyer who served as a prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials said you had to remind yourself about Goring's part in the Holocaust, because it was so easy to fall for his charms.

That is how Goring eventually cheated the hangman's noose. He befriended a US soldier assigned to guard him, and convinced the young man to bring him his watch, so he could send it to his wife as something to remember him by. The watch turned out to have a cynide capsule hidden inside it. Goring committed suicide rather than let the Allies hang him.

Goring was interviewed by several Psychiatrists. One of them asked Goring how he could have ordered Ernst Rohm to be executed following the Night of the Long Knives, since Rohm was a fellow WWI veteran and a personal friend. Goring looked bewildered by the question and finally answered,

"Because he was in my way".

 

[The_Renaissance]

It's a hallmark of high-functioning Sociopaths, I believe. They can't really feel emotions like Empathy, Compassion etc, but they are very, very good at faking them in order to manipulate their victims.

Hermann Goring is an infamous example. Highly intelligent - tests administered while he was awaiting trial at Nuremberg showed him to possess a near genius level IQ - and incredibly manipulative. One lawyer who served as a prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials said you had to remind yourself about Goring's part in the Holocaust, because it was so easy to fall for his charms.

That is how Goring eventually cheated the hangman's noose. He befriended a US soldier assigned to guard him, and convinced the young man to bring him his watch, so he could send it to his wife as something to remember him by. The watch turned out to have a cynide capsule hidden inside it. Goring committed suicide rather than let the Allies hang him.

Goring was interviewed by several Psychiatrists. One of them asked Goring how he could have ordered Ernst Rohm to be executed following the Night of the Long Knives, since Rohm was a fellow WWI veteran and a personal friend. Goring looked bewildered by the question and finally answered,

"Because he was in my way".

The last line is the epitome of sociopath. No deeper reasoning or emotion other than " I wanted X, so I did what I needed to."

I bet a lot of mafia/gang hitmen have a similar character. Cold and distant, task oriented.

 

[Poatan Power]

The last line is the epitome of sociopath. No deeper reasoning or emotion other than " I wanted X, so I did what I needed to."

I bet a lot of mafia/gang hitmen have a similar character. Cold and distant, task oriented.

They're very good at predicting the reactions of people they interact with. They have a very solid understanding of how people react to emotions even if they don't feel them often or at all themselves.

The interesting thing about mafia/gang hitmen etc., that you mentioned is that they often have warm and loving relationships with many people, families and such. Not as an act but as genuine love and empathy. They're able to compartmentalize that and disassociate those emotions from the business end of other aspects of their life. More narcissistic than sociopathic.

 

[The_Renaissance]

They're very good at predicting the reactions of people they interact with. They have a very solid understanding of how people react to emotions even if they don't feel them often or at all themselves.

The interesting thing about mafia/gang hitmen etc., that you mentioned is that they often have warm and loving relationships with many people, families and such. Not as an act but as genuine love and empathy. They're able to compartmentalize that and disassociate those emotions from the business end of other aspects of their life. More narcissistic than sociopathic.

Yeah true. The ability to completely detach like that is mad isn't it. Like sadistic serial killers where its like "I wanted to come. I only come when I'm physically harming a woman. She was a woman. I wanted to come. I did what I needed to. Then went home to my wife and kids a happy man. Didn't think about it again unless I was wanking."

 

[Sinister]

It's a hallmark of high-functioning Sociopaths, I believe. They can't really feel emotions like Empathy, Compassion etc, but they are very, very good at faking them in order to manipulate their victims.

Hermann Goring is an infamous example. Highly intelligent - tests administered while he was awaiting trial at Nuremberg showed him to possess a near genius level IQ - and incredibly manipulative. One lawyer who served as a prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials said you had to remind yourself about Goring's part in the Holocaust, because it was so easy to fall for his charms.

That is how Goring eventually cheated the hangman's noose. He befriended a US soldier assigned to guard him, and convinced the young man to bring him his watch, so he could send it to his wife as something to remember him by. The watch turned out to have a cynide capsule hidden inside it. Goring committed suicide rather than let the Allies hang him.

Goring was interviewed by several Psychiatrists. One of them asked Goring how he could have ordered Ernst Rohm to be executed following the Night of the Long Knives, since Rohm was a fellow WWI veteran and a personal friend. Goring looked bewildered by the question and finally answered,

"Because he was in my way".

Yeah my Father is like this. People who have met him never understand why I have disdain for him as a human being (while appreciating that I'm alive and all the things I learned). He is smart, cunning, HILARIOUS, and very charming. Well he was. His health is failing now so his mental capacity is gone. But I tell people that not only is he a pathological liar (most sociopaths are), but he just has no value for lives other than his own if he is not immediately benefitting from them. I tell them "if he got it in his head that he NEEDS your shoes, and you wont give them when he asks. He will figure either a way to get you out of them, or he will eliminate you so all that's left is those unclaimed shoes."

He used to drive this sh*tbox of a car where one door had to be tied to the other to keep them closed and the passenger seatbelt only worked sometimes. But it was a Camaro with V-8 engine and he loved to sped on the Florida highways. We were on an interchange and he hit a turn so deep my door flew open and because my weight hitting it that fast the seatbelt buckle came loose. I nearly flew completely out of the car but was able to grab the seatbelt strap. I screamed at him for help, mofo didnt even take his hands off the wheel or slow down...he just said "pull yourself up." Once I did he told me to reach for the door and tie them back together. This all happened in less than a minute...and after I regained myself I asked him why he didnt reach for me to pull me up. He said "what good would it have done if both of us flew out the car?" It was so absurd my kid brain laughed and he laughed, too. I didnt realize how not funny it was until I was older. My Father was also sexually insatiable and a huge womanizer, so was the kid I trained.

When I watched the documentary about Brand all the women's stories have a common theme most dont discuss. When they tell him no he becomes enraged. They describe him as viciously angry if they refuse his advances while they are physically present with him, and once he gets what he wants even if it's via coercion, he would anticipate their discontent and threaten their careers or threaten them with legal action.

That's what cinches it for me, that and him essentially building his whole personality around very loudly declaring that he IS a sexual predator and no one caring.

BTW - I worried that my oldest Son might have this tendency as he can be incredibly self-centered and manipulative, but when we watched "I Am Legend" he cried his eyes out when the dog died, so I knew he is a viable human. Lol before that there was another incident where he didnt even know I saw, but he helped his baby Brother be more comfortable without anyone telling him to and when it didnt serve him to.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

I heard the Sachs call, and thought it was really bad. You thought he was a well decorated rapist then did you? His books were brilliant so I was so drawn in. Do you know his interview with WBC and his stand up? He was fucking funny with everything I just mentioned...no?

He was really only popular with women. I've never heard a guy say they liked him.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Yeah my Father is like this. People who have met him never understand why I have disdain for him as a human being (while appreciating that I'm alive and all the things I learned). He is smart, cunning, HILARIOUS, and very charming. Well he was. His health is failing now so his mental capacity is gone. But I tell people that not only is he a pathological liar (most sociopaths are), but he just has no value for lives other than his own if he is not immediately benefitting from them. I tell them "if he got it in his head that he NEEDS your shoes, and you wont give them when he asks. He will figure either a way to get you out of them, or he will eliminate you so all that's left is those unclaimed shoes."

He used to drive this sh*tbox of a car where one door had to be tied to the other to keep them closed and the passenger seatbelt only worked sometimes. But it was a Camaro with V-8 engine and he loved to sped on the Florida highways. We were on an interchange and he hit a turn so deep my door flew open and because my weight hitting it that fast the seatbelt buckle came loose. I nearly flew completely out of the car but was able to grab the seatbelt strap. I screamed at him for help, mofo didnt even take his hands off the wheel or slow down...he just said "pull yourself up." Once I did he told me to reach for the door and tie them back together. This all happened in less than a minute...and after I regained myself I asked him why he didnt reach for me to pull me up. He said "what good would it have done if both of us flew out the car?" It was so absurd my kid brain laughed and he laughed, too. I didnt realize how not funny it was until I was older. My Father was also sexually insatiable and a huge womanizer, so was the kid I trained.

When I watched the documentary about Brand all the women's stories have a common theme most dont discuss. When they tell him no he becomes enraged. They describe him as viciously angry if they refuse his advances while they are physically present with him, and once he gets what he wants even if it's via coercion, he would anticipate their discontent and threaten their careers or threaten them with legal action.

That's what cinches it for me, that and him essentially building his whole personality around very loudly declaring that he IS a sexual predator and no one caring.

BTW - I worried that my oldest Son might have this tendency as he can be incredibly self-centered and manipulative, but when we watched "I Am Legend" he cried his eyes out when the dog died, so I knew he is a viable human. Lol before that there was another incident where he didnt even know I saw, but he helped his baby Brother be more comfortable without anyone telling him to and when it didnt serve him to.

Mad post that. Mad. Proper personal shit.
Fairplay man. Your old man sounds like a lunatic. Good you recognise it.

 

[chimpoehurricane]

Wait? Women accused a man agsin 60 years later with no proof? This has never happened before. Next some guy will get accused of sex trafficking.

<Lmaoo>