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Roger Federer or Novak Djokovic - Who's the KING of kings in Tennis?

Who's the KING of kings in Tennis?

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Madmick said:
You're looking at the Ultimate Tennis link with active Top 10 opponents. Against the Top 10 at any point in their career comes from the Wiki career page, LOL:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Federer_career_statistics#Record_against_top-10_players

Derp!!!
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Actually the links to the ultimate tennis website do not give you numbers against ACTIVE top 10 opponents. it's all the top 10 opponents ever.

you can even click on the opponent breakdown for the top 10 and see all the matches and it is against ANYONE who was top 10. I am assuming active player means they're still playing right now. Carlos Moya is one of the few that defeated Nadal as the #1 ranked player back in 2003. He is definitely not active anymore.

I am pretty sure you have NO IDEA what these numbers represent.. LOL.
 
SaiWa said:
Actually the links to the ultimate tennis website do not give you numbers against ACTIVE top 10 opponents. it's all the top 10 opponents ever.

you can even click on the opponent breakdown for the top 10 and see all the matches and it is against ANYONE who was top 10. I am assuming active player means they're still playing right now. Carlos Moya is one of the few that defeated Nadal as the #1 ranked player back in 2003.

I am pretty sure you have NO IDEA what these numbers represent.. LOL.
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The Ultimate Tennis website compiles their record against any opponent who actively held a Top 10 ranking when the match was played.
The Wiki link shows you a table compiling their record against opponents who were Top 10 at any point in their career, but not necessarily Top 10 at the time they played. It lists every opponent in the table.

That's why there is a discrepancy in the total number of matches. You can see this between the two tables. It's why there are so many more total matches against non-active Top 10 seeds.

The One-Surface Pony Measuring Stick: Career Win % vs. Active Top 10 on All Surfaces Outside Their Best
https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/playerProfile?name=Roger Federer&tab=performance
Federer career win % against Top 10 on any surface other than Grass: 64.3% (202-112) [20.7% of career matches]
The One-Surface Pony Measuring Stick, Part Deux: Career Win % vs. Active Top 10 on All Surfaces Outside Hard for Djokovic/Federer/Sampras or Clay for Nadal
Federer career win % against Top 10 on any surface other than Hard: 57.9% (62-45) [7.0% of career matches]

Federer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Federer_career_statistics#Record_against_top-10_players
Record vs. Top 10 (at any time in their careers) Opponents: 657-219 (75.0%)
Record vs. Top 10 (at any time in their careers) Opponents off Clay: 542-166 (76.6%)
Record vs. Top 10 (at any time in their careers) Opponents on Clay: 115-53 (68.5%)


Derp.


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To make this more apparent, here would be the total if we framed:
Federer's career win % against Active Top 10 opponents off Clay (including Carpet): 191-94 (67.0%)
Federer's career win % against Active Top 10 opponents off Clay (not including Carpet): 182-89 (67.2%)
 
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Madmick said:
The Ultimate Tennis website compiles their record against any opponent who actively held a Top 10 ranking when the match was played.
The Wiki link shows you a table compiling their record against opponents who were Top 10 at any point in their career, but not necessarily Top 10 at the time they played. It lists every opponent in the table.

That's why there is a discrepancy in the total number of matches. You can see this between the two tables. It's why there are so many more total matches against non-active Top 10 seeds.

The One-Surface Pony Measuring Stick: Career Win % vs. Active Top 10 on All Surfaces Outside Their Best
https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/playerProfile?name=Roger Federer&tab=performance
Federer career win % against Top 10 on any surface other than Grass: 64.3% (202-112) [20.7% of career matches]

Federer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Federer_career_statistics#Record_against_top-10_players
Record vs. Top 10 (at any time in their careers) Opponents: 657-219 (75.0%)
Record vs. Top 10 (at any time in their careers) Opponents off Clay: 542-166 (76.6%)
Record vs. Top 10 (at any time in their careers) Opponents on Clay: 115-53 (68.5%)

Derp.
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LOL at these numbers having actual meanings. So you linked a website and then posted numbers from a different website. You some kind of special aren't you?.. hahahaha.

In the end you weaved all this BS and can't escape the fact that Federer was NEVER the lineal clay court champ EVER. Meanwhile at one point or another Nadal was the lineal champion on clay, hardcourt or grass. That is a fact. The one-surface pony is a more appropriate title for Federer if we go by your retarded logic.

BTW have you finally figured out how the ATP calendar works?... <45>
 
SaiWa said:
LOL at these numbers having actual meanings. So you linked a website and then posted numbers from a different website. You some kind of special aren't you?.. hahahaha.
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SaiWa said:
Actually the links to the ultimate tennis website do not give you numbers against ACTIVE top 10 opponents. it's all the top 10 opponents ever.
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SaiWa said:
@Sweater of AV @MM808

Wanna read something even more hilarious about Mad. He argued with me on who had a better year in 2008 (Nadal or Federer) and his reasoning was:


Not realizing that the ATP ranking is a rolling calendar year and not realizing that 2008 was a Rafa year:

Year (Player, Grand Slam titles, Total title wins)
2008 (Rafa 2, 8) vs (Fed 1, 4) vs (Djoker 1, 4)

The thread is a great read on how little Mad really knows about tennis:
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/165517440/
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Not at all surprising.
 
Since we really wanted to focus in on Federer's career 67% win percentage against active Top 10 opponents off clay, let's go ahead and do that for Nadal, since I didn't do it before.

Nadal, career, off clay (vs. active seeds)
vs. All: 592-174 (77.3%)
vs. Top 100: 498-159 (75.7%)
vs. Top 50: 337-144 (70.1%)
vs. Top 20: 168-103 (62.0%)
vs. Top 10: 84-79 (51.5%)
vs. Top 5: 36-47 (43.4%)
vs. No. 1: 5-13 (27.8%)


Nadal is great on clay, and he's great at crushing cans off it. That ain't a legitimate GOAT contender.
 
This is almost as funny as MadDonk grouping hard and grass together and calling that 2/3 of the season. Or furiously deleting posts like a donkey.

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Boom.

Win % against the rest of the big four:

Nadal: 57.4%
Djokovic: 56.6%
Federer: 46.1%
Murray: 34.1%

If we limit it to the big three:

Djokovic: 60%
Nadal: 52%
Federer: 37% (lol)

More importantly, at grand slams, Nadal reigns supreme:

Nadal: 66% in 32 matches
Djokovic: 51% in 35 matches
Federer: 32% (LOL) in 31 matches

Nadal has the highest win percentage on the biggest stage against the absolute best competition. Meanwhile, Federer is scraping the bottom of the barrel while playing the least amount of matches.

<36>

The only constant in every comparison between the top three is Federer falls well behind the other two.

Shame Roger didn’t pick off Basel and Halle for 10 more years.

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MM808 said:
Djoker > Nadal > Fed > Sampras

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Yup, that’s how those four are ordered.

I will say that the (hilariously retarded) attempts at discrediting certain players in this thread have got me thinking. Sampras won half his grand slams on a surface that basically only matters for two weeks each year. He then failed to make the finals of the French and “scrounged together” some hard court victories over the years. Sounds a lot like a “one-trick pony” ;)

On the other hand, someone like Borg was a machine on both grass and clay, and made the US Open final four times (three of which were on hard courts). His competition level was also extremely high. There are a few others as well who weren’t as much of a “one-trick pony” as Sampras.

By the logic in this thread of people who can’t count past 10, it makes you wonder if Sampras is even top 5.

<mma4>
 
Madmick said:
I said that Hard + Grass compose roughly 2/3 of the matches played on the ATP Tour. It was a measure of volume, LOL, derp.

LOL, you could make a poll today, and Federer would still crush that Spanish one-surface pony.
Who's the greatest men's tennis player of all-time?
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Lmao so you are basing him being better than Nadal from a sherdog popularity poll from two years ago? Man you are desperate
 
Madmick said:
I said that Hard + Grass compose roughly 2/3 of the matches played on the ATP Tour. It was a measure of volume, LOL, derp.

LOL, you could make a poll today, and Federer would still crush that Spanish one-surface pony.
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WOW... 66%?!!! LOL at combining Hard + Grass to make it more significant.

Hard + Clay is roughly a shade under 88% of the ATP tour.

Grass is only 12% of the tourneys. That's 8 out of the 66 tourneys available in the ATP tour.

It's absolutely hilarious how you call Nadal a one-surface pony when Federer is only up 11-9 in hard court H2H matchups. In grand slams? Federer is 1-3 against Nadal. That's right... where it matters most Federer actually loses to Nadal on hard court.

That's why everyone in here knows you don't know jack shit when it comes to tennis. You can't handle looking at all these stats to make a solid argument with them. Quite pathetic..
 
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Madmick said:
I said that Hard + Grass compose roughly 2/3 of the matches played on the ATP Tour. It was a measure of volume, LOL, derp.

LOL, you could make a poll today, and Federer would still crush that Spanish one-surface pony.
Who's the greatest men's tennis player of all-time?
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Hey Galileo, take a break from trying to count past 11 and figure out the context you were using it in.

“This is the big picture. On the ATP Tour, Clay makes up ~1/3rd of matches, Grass/Hard makes up ~2/3rd. Grass/Hard matter more“

You are an absolute moron. Grass is two weeks.

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And lol at quoting a poll comprised mostly of people as stupid as you.

<36>

Derp. Now go delete your post like a good little boy.

LOL.
 
Not sure who got ass rammed harder. MadDonk in this thread or Federer against the best in the world.

Win % against the rest of the big four:

Nadal: 57.4%
Djokovic: 56.6%
Federer: 46.1%
Murray: 34.1%

If we limit it to the big three:

Djokovic: 60%
Nadal: 52%
Federer: 37% (lol)

More importantly, at grand slams, Nadal reigns supreme:

Nadal: 66% in 32 matches
Djokovic: 51% in 35 matches
Federer: 32% (LOL) in 31 matches

Nadal has the highest win percentage on the biggest stage against the absolute best competition. Meanwhile, Federer is scraping the bottom of the barrel while playing the least amount of matches.

<36>

The only constant in every comparison between the top three is Federer falls well behind the other two.

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I think you could argue Federer's peak years fell in the stronger era were Nadal and then Djokovic and Murray were all peaking themselves.

Djokovic has had an extended spell were its only really Nadal who's stuck around and he's very often not been fit for much of the season.
 
Sweater of AV said:
Yup, that’s how those four are ordered.

I will say that the (hilariously retarded) attempts at discrediting certain players in this thread have got me thinking. Sampras won half his grand slams on a surface that basically only matters for two weeks each year. He then failed to make the finals of the French and “scrounged together” some hard court victories over the years. Sounds a lot like a “one-trick pony” ;)

On the other hand, someone like Borg was a machine on both grass and clay, and made the US Open final four times (three of which were on hard courts). His competition level was also extremely high. There are a few others as well who weren’t as much of a “one-trick pony” as Sampras.

By the logic in this thread of people who can’t count past 10, it makes you wonder if Sampras is even top 5.

<mma4>
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Borg was 16-1 in GS SFs. Like that's the most impressive stat in tennis history IMO. Imagine 17 GS SFs you win 16 of them. Holy shit.
 
moreorless87 said:
I think you could argue Federer's peak years fell in the stronger era were Nadal and then Djokovic and Murray were all peaking themselves.

Djokovic has had an extended spell were its only really Nadal who's stuck around and he's very often not been fit for much of the season.
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Joker came along in Feds prime and pushed his shit in
 
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